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Luke 22:42 shows that Jesus and the Father are separate people, or as you said - have two different wills. This does not disprove Jesus is God. Neither do the other verses that you quoted. How can Jesus be the only begotten Son of God if he is not God?
Also, if Jesus is not God then none of His claims make any sense, whatsoever. And, why does this topic keep popping up?!
Also, if Jesus is not God then none of His claims make any sense, whatsoever. And, why does this topic keep popping up?!
Only God can be the source of eternal life, Jesus said he is the eternal life of the way and the truth. (Jn 14:6)
John said the life is the light (Jn 1:4), knowledge is not the light.
There will be no "seeing" (with faith to understand) the kingdom of God (Jn 3:3), and no "hearing" (receiving the gospel) without the life given in rebirth (Jn 5:24-25, 8:43-44, 47).
So let me ask you something
I assume you therefore believe a person must accept Christ is God Himself unto salvation, it is not enough simply to believe he is the Son of God.
I also assume you believe it is a ministers resposibility to plainy from the pulpit preach/teach any foundational belief of the faith, and also to plainly preach what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvation and the consequences of gettingt it wrong
Bearing the above in mind, will you utterly condemn as unfit to be a minsiter any preacher who refuses to plainly state from, the pulpit that if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God, but not God Himself they cannot be saved/inherit eternal life with that belief and such a belief means a person is condemned and will go to hell
The above question is also for Elin, Bowmen, and anyone else that wishes to criticise those who simply believe Christ is the son of God
I assume you therefore believe a person must accept Christ is God Himself unto salvation, it is not enough simply to believe he is the Son of God.
I also assume you believe it is a ministers resposibility to plainy from the pulpit preach/teach any foundational belief of the faith, and also to plainly preach what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvation and the consequences of gettingt it wrong
Bearing the above in mind, will you utterly condemn as unfit to be a minsiter any preacher who refuses to plainly state from, the pulpit that if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God, but not God Himself they cannot be saved/inherit eternal life with that belief and such a belief means a person is condemned and will go to hell
The above question is also for Elin, Bowmen, and anyone else that wishes to criticise those who simply believe Christ is the son of God
The below question is for Zone, Bowman, Elin, and anyone else who criticises someone for simply believing Christ is the Son of God but not God Himself
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I assume you believe it is a ministers resposibility to plainy from the pulpit preach/teach any foundational belief of the faith, and also to plainly preach what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvation and the consequences of gettingt it wrong
Bearing the above in mind, will you utterly condemn as unfit to be a minsiter any preacher who refuses to plainly state from, the pulpit that if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God, but not God Himself they cannot be saved/inherit eternal life with that belief and such a belief means a person is condemned and will go to hell
You obviously did not properly read my post, as I am sure you would not wish to misconstrue my beliefs
But Arius believed Christ had divinity, do you believe he was saved as he did?
I shall not respond to anymore questions in this thread UNLESS people feel they can respond to the question concerning ministers preaching from the pulpit what to you and others is acceptable and unacceptablre belief as to who Christ is for salvation
You see Zone, if you carry heartfelt conviction over this, outside of theological discussion on this website, you'll have to answer it forthrightly, as will anyone else
But Arius believed Christ had divinity, do you believe he was saved as he did?
I shall not respond to anymore questions in this thread UNLESS people feel they can respond to the question concerning ministers preaching from the pulpit what to you and others is acceptable and unacceptablre belief as to who Christ is for salvation
You see Zone, if you carry heartfelt conviction over this, outside of theological discussion on this website, you'll have to answer it forthrightly, as will anyone else
mark, "it is a ministers responsibility to plainly from the pulpit preach/teach" directly from the Word of God. < Logos!
not slipping in anywhere that Jesus wasn't God.
which is what you must be doing.
because the scriptures declare He is God.
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life,a and the life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
no created entity is Logos.
and Jesus is not some emulation, either.
anyways...i'm not arguing this with ya. it seems 101.
not slipping in anywhere that Jesus wasn't God.
which is what you must be doing.
because the scriptures declare He is God.
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life,a and the life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
no created entity is Logos.
and Jesus is not some emulation, either.
anyways...i'm not arguing this with ya. it seems 101.
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Why oh why am I not surprised you couldn't answer the question Zone. I doubt anyone else will either, and it obvious why. I repeat. If you had heartfelt conviction on this subject outside of theological debate on this website you would have to forthrightly respond to the question plainly asked, as would anyone else, but you cannot do it can you.
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Regarding the deity of Jesus, you have answered that he is not God.
That question is no longer on the table.
Regarding your question of 1Co 15:50 on the Hebraism "flesh and blood," I've thoroughly answered that question according to its Hebrew usage meaning the "natural, sinful, perishable body" here.
So I won't be answering that question again.
That question is no longer on the table.
Regarding your question of 1Co 15:50 on the Hebraism "flesh and blood," I've thoroughly answered that question according to its Hebrew usage meaning the "natural, sinful, perishable body" here.
So I won't be answering that question again.
Below was the question BTW. It seems some believe it has been answered, I have scoured the posts but cannot see where
The below question is for Zone, Bowman, Elin, and anyone else who criticises someone for simply believing Christ is the Son of God but not God Himself
.
I assume you believe it is a ministers resposibility to plainy from the pulpit preach/teach any foundational belief of the faith, and also to plainly preach what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvation and the consequences of gettingt it wrong
Bearing the above in mind, will you utterly condemn as unfit to be a minsiter any preacher who refuses to plainly state from, the pulpit that if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God, but not God Himself they cannot be saved/inherit eternal life with that belief and such a belief means a person is condemned and will go to hell
The below question is for Zone, Bowman, Elin, and anyone else who criticises someone for simply believing Christ is the Son of God but not God Himself
.
I assume you believe it is a ministers resposibility to plainy from the pulpit preach/teach any foundational belief of the faith, and also to plainly preach what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvation and the consequences of gettingt it wrong
Bearing the above in mind, will you utterly condemn as unfit to be a minsiter any preacher who refuses to plainly state from, the pulpit that if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God, but not God Himself they cannot be saved/inherit eternal life with that belief and such a belief means a person is condemned and will go to hell