Is Babylon the United States?

[nathan3]

No Babylon is Not, America . Your suppose to look at the king in Daniel as your example, NOT America. How he set that statue up with 6's in its dimensions all over it. Note the pride of Nebuchadnezzar . Babylon means confusion, simple. And the confusion of the end times, is Satan claiming to be Christ-( 2 thess 2: ). and not America; but the whole world whores after him. That is the Babylon of the end times. And many are set for the set up. The apostles & Christ, taught this. This is written of all over the Word of God. Why on earth are you looking to American ?When your already given the answer .

 

[Abiding]

never understood why Babylon couldn't just be the historical city of Babylon...

Because that would never be a "mystery babylon" see its right there on your pics.

 

[Bookends]

There isn't any other nation that has all those characteristics if you still don't believe read those verses I have posted.

This link below has more information

Is the USA the Babylon of Revelation 18? | JesusChrist.com

America doesn't have all of those characteristics either, only Ancient Jerusalem/Israel does

15-16 reasons why Babylon the harlot is in none other then Old Jerusalem...<<<click

 

[eternally-gratefull]

America doesn't have all of those characteristics either, only Ancient Jerusalem/Israel does

15-16 reasons why Babylon the harlot is in none other then Old Jerusalem...<<<click

actually she does not have them all either

 

[Bookends]

actually she does not have them all either

LOL, EG, you know I love you man....which characteristic doesn't she have?

 

[Bookends]

Babylon is a system not a nation. It has been around since its name sake was in power. and has never left. Isreal played the harlot with this system.

And I get accused of spiritualizing?

in Revelation 18

[SUP]10 [/SUP]standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’

[SUP]16 [/SUP]and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!

[SUP]18 [/SUP]and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’

[SUP]19 [/SUP]“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.

This is clear as day to me.

In part you are right EG, there was a system in Old Jerusalem, it's called Judaism. Once Christ fulfilled the placeholder(s), the types and symbols of the sacrificial system of an earthly temple, the sacrifices continued by the priest (who then became anitchrists acting as the mediator still to the people) who became the abomination of desolation to the Lord Himself, the true temple.That system had to be destroyed and will never be revived again.

It is not the US. the US was not even around then. This belief is outright false!! The world hates the US. It will not cry when she is destroyed, she will have a great party!!

I agree, but I have a hunch if America goes down, so does China, Russia, and the rest of the world. I don't it will be a great party.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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And I get accused of spiritualizing?

in Revelation 18

[SUP]10 [/SUP]standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’

[SUP]16 [/SUP]and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!

[SUP]18 [/SUP]and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’

[SUP]19 [/SUP]“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.

This is clear as day to me.

I never said it could not be a city, The system, as all systems are headquartered in a city. The catholic church is not a city, But the vatican is

In part you are right EG, there was a system in Old Jerusalem, it's called Judaism. Once Christ fulfilled the placeholder(s), the types and symbols of the sacrificial system of an earthly temple, the sacrifices continued by the priest (who then became anitchrists acting as the mediator still to the people) became the abomination of desolation to the Lord Himself, the true temple.That system had to be destroyed and will never be revived again.

No. Your wrong. Babylonialism has always been paganism. The jews did not play the harlot with judaism. They did it by playing the harlot with the Pagan Gods of her neighbors. True babylon.

The abomination of desolation will be set up in the inner sanctum by the one who confirms a one week(7 year) covenant) has not happened yet. so I do not know where you get this.

I agree, but I have a hunch if America goes down, so does China, Russia, and the rest of the world. I don't it will be a great party.

Nope. The reformed Rome will take over it all. All of them will worship its leader, And that leader will make a one world currency (the mark) of which anyone who does not take can not buy or sell.

Then this kingdom will be crushed by the return of Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL, EG, you know I love you man....which characteristic doesn't she have?

lol, read rev 17. She never had any of them

Which one of these ever fit jerusalem?

1. Bears the representation of a harlot ( rev 17: 1-2, 15 - 16. It claimed to be christs bride, but had fallen from its pure purpose and had become a harlot.

2. a leader in ecclesiastical affairs. rev 17 : 2. 5. Spiritual fornication in scripture is an adherance to a false religious system.

3. the system is a leader in political affairs ( rev 17:3 ) it is seen to be controlling the beast for which it sits.

4 the system has become very rich and influential ( rev 17: 4)

5. The system represents the stage of development of christiondom that was hithertoo unrevieled ( rev 17: 5) in that it was called the " mystery "

6. the system has been a great persecutor of the saints. (rev 17: 6 )

7. the system is an organised system of worldwide scope ( rev 17 : 15)

8. The system will be destroyed by the beast, the head of the roman coalition, so that his supremace may not be threatened ( rev 17: 16 - 17 )

 

[Elizabeth619]

There was a big thread about this back in the summer. EG, and Bookends posted in it too. I wish I could remember the name of the thread. It had great info, and alot of evidence that America is not in prophecy.

 

[susanblange]

Babylon is a false, idolatrous religious system and is a mystery. It incorporates the occult and is also based on witchcraft which it presents as signs and wonders and "miracles". It is called wind and confusion and will not prosper. It is filled with contradictions and comes from (the tower of) Babel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There was a big thread about this back in the summer. EG, and Bookends posted in it too. I wish I could remember the name of the thread. It had great info, and alot of evidence that America is not in prophecy.

I don't remember it either

 

[Bookends]

. Isreal played the harlot with this system.

Isaiah 1
1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

[h=3]The Wickedness of Judah[/h][SUP]2 [/SUP]Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I have nourished and brought up children,
And they have rebelled against Me;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The ox knows its owner
And the donkey its master’s crib;
But Israel does not know,
My people do not consider.”


[SUP]4 [/SUP]Alas, sinful nation,
A people laden with iniquity,
A brood of evildoers,
Children who are corrupters!
They have forsaken the Lord,
They have provoked to anger
The Holy One of Israel,
They have turned away backward.


[SUP]5 [/SUP]Why should you be stricken again?
You will revolt more and more.
The whole head is sick,
And the whole heart faints.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]From the sole of the foot even to the head,
There is no soundness in it,
But wounds and bruises and putrefying sores;
They have not been closed or bound up,
Or soothed with ointment.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Your country is desolate,
Your cities are burned with fire;
Strangers devour your land in your presence;
And it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So the daughter of Zion is left as a booth in a vineyard,
As a hut in a garden of cucumbers,
As a besieged city.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Unless the Lord of hosts
Had left to us a very small remnant,
We would have become like Sodom,
We would have been made like Gomorrah.


[SUP]10 [/SUP]Hear the word of the Lord,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the law of our God,
You people of Gomorrah:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?”
Says the Lord.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle.
I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
Or of lambs or goats.


[SUP]12 [/SUP]“When you come to appear before Me,
Who has required this from your hand,
To trample My courts?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Bring no more futile sacrifices;
Incense is an abomination to Me.
The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Your New Moons and your appointed feasts
My soul hates; [this is for you all, the ceremonial law keepers] (not you EG)
They are a trouble to Me,
I am weary of bearing them.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When you spread out your hands,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Even though you make many prayers,
I will not hear.
Your hands are full of blood.


[SUP]16 [/SUP]“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes.
Cease to do evil,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Rebuke the oppressor;[SUP]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+1&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-17672a[/SUP]
Defend the fatherless,
Plead for the widow. [these are all the things the pharisees were not doing]


[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If you are willing and obedient,
You shall eat the good of the land; [the believers, both Jew and Gentile]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But if you refuse and rebel,
You shall be devoured by the sword”;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken. [the pharisees, scribes and all who followed them]


[h=3]The Degenerate City[/h][SUP]21 [/SUP]How the faithful city has become a harlot! [who is the Harlot EG, Edom? Egypt? Syria? Rome?....Come on EG, you have to be blind not to see this]
It was full of justice;
Righteousness lodged in it,
But now murderers. [matthew 24 ring a bell?]
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Your silver has become dross,
Your wine mixed with water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Your princes are rebellious,
And companions of thieves;
Everyone loves bribes,
And follows after rewards.
They do not defend the fatherless,
Nor does the cause of the widow come before them. [Pharisees]


[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord says,
The Lord of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel,
“Ah, I will rid Myself of My adversaries,
And take vengeance on My enemies.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I will turn My hand against you,
And thoroughly purge away your dross,
And take away all your alloy. [Christ did this on the cross]
[SUP]26 [/SUP]I will restore your judges as at the first,
And your counselors as at the beginning.
Afterward you shall be called the city of righteousness, the faithful city.”


[SUP]27 [/SUP]Zion shall be redeemed with justice,
And her penitents with righteousness.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The destruction of transgressors and of sinners shall be together,
And those who forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For they[SUP][b][/SUP] shall be ashamed of the terebinth trees
Which you have desired;
And you shall be embarrassed because of the gardens
Which you have chosen.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For you shall be as a terebinth whose leaf fades,
And as a garden that has no water.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The strong shall be as tinder,
And the work of it as a spark;
Both will burn together,
And no one shall quench them.



WOW, this passage has Matthew 23-24, and Revelation written all over it...

 

[zone]

Zechariah 5
The Woman in a Basket

5Then the angel who was speaking to me came forward and said to me, “Look up and see what this is that is appearing.”

6I asked, “What is it?”

He replied, “It is a measuring basket.b” And he added, “This is the iniquityc of the people throughout the land.”

7Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman! 8He said, “This is wickedness,” and he pushed her back into the basket and pushed the lead cover down over its mouth.

9Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth.

10“Where are they taking the basket?” I asked the angel who was speaking to me.

11He replied, “To the country of Babylonia to build a house for it. When it is ready, the basket will be set there in its place.”

 

[Elizabeth619]

I don't remember it either

FOUND IT!!!

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/48424-where-america-bible-prophecy.html

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Isaiah 1
1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

The Wickedness of Judah

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I have nourished and brought up children,
And they have rebelled against Me;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The ox knows its owner
And the donkey its master’s crib;
But Israel does not know,
My people do not consider.”


[SUP]4 [/SUP]Alas, sinful nation,
A people laden with iniquity,
A brood of evildoers,
Children who are corrupters!
They have forsaken the Lord,
They have provoked to anger
The Holy One of Israel,
They have turned away backward.


[SUP]5 [/SUP]Why should you be stricken again?
You will revolt more and more.
The whole head is sick,
And the whole heart faints.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]From the sole of the foot even to the head,
There is no soundness in it,
But wounds and bruises and putrefying sores;
They have not been closed or bound up,
Or soothed with ointment.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Your country is desolate,
Your cities are burned with fire;
Strangers devour your land in your presence;
And it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So the daughter of Zion is left as a booth in a vineyard,
As a hut in a garden of cucumbers,
As a besieged city.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Unless the Lord of hosts
Had left to us a very small remnant,
We would have become like Sodom,
We would have been made like Gomorrah.


[SUP]10 [/SUP]Hear the word of the Lord,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the law of our God,
You people of Gomorrah:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?”
Says the Lord.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle.
I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
Or of lambs or goats.


[SUP]12 [/SUP]“When you come to appear before Me,
Who has required this from your hand,
To trample My courts?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Bring no more futile sacrifices;
Incense is an abomination to Me.
The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Your New Moons and your appointed feasts
My soul hates;[this is for you all, the ceremonial law keepers] (not you EG)
They are a trouble to Me,
I am weary of bearing them.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When you spread out your hands,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Even though you make many prayers,
I will not hear.
Your hands are full of blood.


[SUP]16 [/SUP]“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes.
Cease to do evil,
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Rebuke the oppressor;
Defend the fatherless,
Plead for the widow. [these are all the things the pharisees were not doing]


[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If you are willing and obedient,
You shall eat the good of the land; [the believers, both Jew and Gentile]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But if you refuse and rebel,
You shall be devoured by the sword”;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken. [the pharisees, scribes and all who followed them]


The Degenerate City

[SUP]21 [/SUP]How the faithful city has become a harlot![who is the Harlot EG, Edom? Egypt? Syria? Rome?....Come on EG, you have to be blind not to see this]
It was full of justice;
Righteousness lodged in it,
But now murderers. [matthew 24 ring a bell?]
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Your silver has become dross,
Your wine mixed with water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Your princes are rebellious,
And companions of thieves;
Everyone loves bribes,
And follows after rewards.
They do not defend the fatherless,
Nor does the cause of the widow come before them. [Pharisees]


[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord says,
The Lord of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel,
“Ah, I will rid Myself of My adversaries,
And take vengeance on My enemies.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I will turn My hand against you,
And thoroughly purge away your dross,
And take away all your alloy. [Christ did this on the cross]
[SUP]26 [/SUP]I will restore your judges as at the first,
And your counselors as at the beginning.
Afterward you shall be called the city of righteousness, the faithful city.”


[SUP]27 [/SUP]Zion shall be redeemed with justice,
And her penitents with righteousness.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The destruction of transgressors and of sinners shall be together,
And those who forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For they[SUP][b][/SUP] shall be ashamed of the terebinth trees
Which you have desired;
And you shall be embarrassed because of the gardens
Which you have chosen.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For you shall be as a terebinth whose leaf fades,
And as a garden that has no water.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The strong shall be as tinder,
And the work of it as a spark;
Both will burn together,
And no one shall quench them.



WOW, this passage has Matthew 23-24, and Revelation written all over it...

Well yeah rev 13. Where 2 witnesses ar ekilled in jerusalem and left dead for three days for all the world to see. Then ressurected .But rev 13 is not about babylon.

If you want to speak of babylon let me know.

ps. Why did you not show how Jerusalem had the characteristics of rev 17> for that is true babylon.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

FOUND IT!!!

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/48424-where-america-bible-prophecy.html

Yeah the last post I saw in there and just responded to was nuts!!

 

[Elizabeth619]

FOUND IT!!!

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/48424-where-america-bible-prophecy.html

Im not repeating anything I have already posted so I shall paste from the other thread.

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John Rev 1:1

"Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near" (Revelation 1:3).

"Then he said to me, "These words are faithful and true." And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place" (Revelation 22:6).

"And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand" (Revelation 22:10).



Interesting, considering that Rome is a seaport town (harlot who sits on many waters,)

The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.-- Now look at Daniels prophecy. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does ... Daniel 2:42-43
Rome's might (the iron) was its ability to conquer, but its weakness as that it couldn't mold the conquered nations into a single whole (iron mixed with clay).

The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits --which recalls the name of Rome as the city on seven hills. And that is who John is referring to in Revelation: Rome, a city of idolatry that persecuted and killed Christians in its pursuit of worldly pleasures.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Yeah the last post I saw in there and just responded to was nuts!!

I will probably annoy people here which is not the intent, but I am just going to paste here what I posted in the other thread. I mean, why retype it if I am just going to say the same thing.. right?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Another post I made about this...

Ok, I am only gonna touch on this part because I am too lazy to talk about the rest right now.

The woman is a city...America is a country... that right there is a good idea America is not Babylon.
Rome is a city. Ancient Rome was also one of the largest empires in the ancient world. Rome also dominated most of Europe. Asia Minor and North Africa.

Rome was also very advanced for its time in architecture and technology. They had a VERY strong military as well.

The Seven Hills of Rome east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome, within the walls of the ancient city.

The seven hills are:
Aventine Hill
Caelian Hill
Capitoline Hill
Esquiline Hill
Palatine Hill
Quirinal Hill
Viminal Hill

This is all talking about ancient Rome. Could it be that John was referring to Rome??????
Looks to me like this ancient city had quite alot of influence. Still does as a matter of fact.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Ok, So I totally argued with this guy on this and I have to admit this is a little freaky...

America will be watching the east and get attacked from the west. When that happens I wont be here to say I told you so lol

Lol funny. If korea, china or japan sent missiles to the us which border would the,missiles come from? Would they send them the long way over europe and asia? And yes it was from the bible. Not any bible ive ever seen since that day. But it was the one God showed to me, for exactly that purpose. scoff, laugh, joke. Ive said what was required of me.

Not saying I value what this guy said but it is a little ironic that...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/w...-its-missiles-can-reach-us-mainland.html?_r=0