The Trinity

[Jon4TheCross]

Is it hard for us to come to an agreement that God has a spirit, soul, and earthen vessel? That's three. I don't know where the word trinity started, but if it's talking about those three parts, then I don't see a problem with using it in my vocabulary (unless that's not what trinity means to most?).

 

[mark54]

Is it hard for us to come to an agreement that God has a spirit, soul, and earthen vessel? That's three. I don't know where the word trinity started, but if it's talking about those three parts, then I don't see a problem with using it in my vocabulary (unless that's not what trinity means to most?).

EQUAL is the problem, not Trinity

 

[Anonimous]

MARK:




if you've already answered, i didn't see it.
could you answer?

MARK:

i may be on ignore.
could someone ask this question(s)?

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[mark54]

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[mark54]

Why do you all want to ask questions for Zone? I put her on ignore becauase all she wanted to do was ask me questions but refused to answer any, and that while pretending she would

Not a good testimony to someone who has spent so much time and effort reading up on scholars and theologians

 

[Jon4TheCross]

EQUAL is the problem, not Trinity

Which part do you think has a beginning? I find no evidence in scripture to indicate that there is a beginning to any of these. I already gave the example of who Joshua worshipped (the earthen vessel of the spirit/soul of God). There's also the clear example of when God ate with Abraham. H7812

שׁחה

shâchâh

shaw-khaw'

A primitive root; to depress, that is, prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God): - bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.
Gen 18:2 And he lift up[SUP]H5375 his eyesH5869 and looked,H7200 and, lo,H2009 threeH7969 menH376 stoodH5324 byH5921 him: and when he sawH7200 them, he ranH7323 to meetH7125 them from the tent door,H4480 H6607 H168 and bowed himselfH7812 toward the ground,H776 [/SUP]


Gen 18:7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

Gen 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

God ate what Abraham made, and this was in His earthen vessel. So there is no indication that the earthen vessel of God has a beginning.

 

[mark54]

Which part do you think has a beginning? I find no evidence in scripture to indicate that there is a beginning to any of these. I already gave the example of who Joshua worshipped (the earthen vessel of the spirit/soul of God). There's also the clear example of when God ate with Abraham. H7812

שׁחה

shâchâh

shaw-khaw'

A primitive root; to depress, that is, prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God): - bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.
Gen 18:2 And he lift up[SUP]H5375 his eyesH5869 and looked,H7200 and, lo,H2009 threeH7969 menH376 stoodH5324 byH5921 him: and when he sawH7200them, he ranH7323 to meetH7125 them from the tent door,H4480 H6607 H168 and bowed himselfH7812 toward the ground,H776[/SUP]


Gen 18:7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

Gen 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

God ate what Abraham made, and this was in His earthen vessel. So there is no indication that the earthen vessel of God has a beginning.

Forget all of your theologies and man made extrapolations, here is plain text of Christ's words

Now this is eternal life, that they may know you(the Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John 17:3

Now what will you do?
Do gymnastics with those words?
Theologise them to mean something different from what they plainly state?
I've heard it all before
There's nothing new under the sun

 

[Anonimous]

...speaking of baptism...

 

[Abiding]

Abiding, I know Zone is a friend of yours, but don't try and curry favour with her on this issue, you are backing the wrong horse
And as you have to constantly refuse to answer my oft repeated question you are hardly in a position to write what you do

Another sleezy remark mark. also what you said about zone in #754
Or maybe you dont know what it means to say someone isnt led of the Spirit.

Also you should stop your lying since ive answered your question and reminded you ive answered your question.

 

[mark54]

Another sleezy remark mark. also what you said about zone in #754
Or maybe you dont know what it means to say someone isnt led of the Spirit.

Also you should stop your lying since ive answered you question and reminded you ive answered your question.

You see Cfultz, unfortunatelty you Zone, Abiding(and others) have what can only be described as a shallow form of Christianity, for you will not take your convictions beyond this website, hence why you all refuse to forthrightly answer my oft repeated question.
Now I have many faults and shortcomings, but that ain't one of them



I know the above is true-sadly. And if you truly have answered the question, please point me to the post where you did

 

[Anonimous]

 

[Anonimous]

please take the above pic as a comic interlude...

 

[mark54]

BTW
I am only defending here ONE THING. The belief as to who Christ himself said a person must believe him to be to inhehrit eternal life

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Forget all of your theologies and man made extrapolations, here is plain text of Christ's words

Now this is eternal life, that they may know you(the Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John 17:3

Now what will you do?
Do gymnastics with those words?
Theologise them to mean something different from what they plainly state?
I've heard it all before
There's nothing new under the sun

I don't understand how this contradicts anything I've said. THE ONLY TRUE GOD (The Holy Spirit without measure in the Holy Soul (Christ) and Jesus (The holy earthen vessel of the Spirit/Soul combo) Christ. All that has no beginning, and is equally God.

 

[mark54]

I don't understand how this contradicts anything I've said. THE ONLY TRUE GOD (The Holy Spirit without measure in the Holy Soul (Christ) and Jesus (The holy earthen vessel of the Spirit/Soul combo) Christ. All that has no beginning, and is equally God.

Well you are unique. I have put that verse before many, and they just ignore it!! But Christ is saying the only true God is the Father, not the Son.

Do you accept John's words?

If anyone believes Jesus is the son of God, God lives in him and he in God
1John 4:15
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[Anonimous]

BTW
I am only defending here ONE THING. The belief as to who Christ himself said a person must believe him to be to inhehrit eternal life

I'm going to get a cup of coffee. But first...I hope no one was offended by the pic. It really was intended to lighten things up a bit. I'm not sure if the difference of opinions could be classified as doctrinal or not...but, it's apparent that we all love Jesus and there is something to be said for that...

 

[cfultz3]

Forget all of your theologies and man made extrapolations, here is plain text of Christ's words

Now this is eternal life, that they may know you(the Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John 17:3

Now what will you do?
Do gymnastics with those words?
Theologise them to mean something different from what they plainly state?
I've heard it all before
There's nothing new under the sun

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Who are we in: He who is true.
Who is that: Jesus Christ.
Which one is the true God: that One who was just spoken about.
What is eternal life: being in Him.
Jesus: ....I am the Life (John 14:6)

 

[mark54]

I'm going to get a cup of coffee. But first...I hope no one was offended by the pic. It really was intended to lighten things up a bit. I'm not sure if the difference of opinions could be classified as doctrinal or not...but, it's apparent that we all love Jesus and there is something to be said for that...

A true Christian, and one I would suggest who is not a head theologist

 

[Berean]

Hi Berean

I know the above was posted for Elin, but I would like to give my thoughts on it if I may

But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—He *said to the paralytic,[SUP]11 [/SUP]“I say to you, get up, pick up your pallet and go home

All authority in Heaven and on earth, has been given to me
Matt 28:18

Who gave Christ authority?

I have received authority from my Father
Rev2:27

So the Father gave Christ authority

I have a simple small problem with this because I asked for an Exegesis of this passage. The exact forgiveness given to Christ MADE HIM EQUAL TO GOD. Otherwise he wouldn't have been accused of blasphemy. What did they say in that passage? "Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins but God alone? (v 7) This passage you complete skipped and took no heed of. I once again ask, please give an exegesis of this text.

He called his twelve disciples to him and g

ave them authority to drive out evil[SUP][a][/SUP] spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
Matt10:1

As the Father gave the Son authority, so the Son gave the disciples authority.

I fail to see how this relates to the passage at all. Yes, these passages are talking about authority, but what authority is being given? The passage I directly quoted dealt with God forgiving sins, not any plain authority. Why were they reasoning in their hearts that he was blaspheming by performing an action only God can do! This specific authority was to do this exact thing. So, according to your argument of authority, can any man forgive sin?

But directly in relation to the point of your post:

Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. [SUP]23 [/SUP]If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
John 20:22&23

Where in this passage is the example of the object forgiveness of a persons sin? Because these are complete different examples of forgiveness. First, the passage in Mark 2 dealt with a forgiveness on the level of divinity, (v. 7) however, this forgiveness (John 20:22 and 23) is talking about forgiveness of one person to another in a subjective sense. If its not, can you simply point out how this is a divine forgiveness as is found in Mark 2?

As the Father gave the son authority, so the son gave the disciples authority.

You didn't even touch on the passage later in the passage of John 20:28 which states, "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!""

 

[mark54]

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Who are we in: He who is true.
Who is that: Jesus Christ.
Which one is the true God: that One who was just spoken about.
What else is that One: eternal Life.
Jesus: ....I am the Life (John 14:6)

Amazing Cfultz
you sure are trying your darndest to overturn the plAin words of Christ aren't you in order to cling to your man made doctrine