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C
Thank you for allowing me to explain myself.
Yes they must believe He is the Son of God.
BUT,
they must also accept Him as their Christ. (If He is not there Savior, then who will be)
BUT,
they must also have faith. (without faith, it is impossible to please God)
BUT,
they must also be lead by the Spirit. (as many as are led by the Spirit of God, are the sons of God)
BUT,
they must also accept Him as Lord. (one cannot have two masters)
BUT,
they must also forgive. (if you do not forgive, neither will the Father fogive you)
etc....
So, I guess just believing in a name is not enough.
Yes they must believe He is the Son of God.
BUT,
they must also accept Him as their Christ. (If He is not there Savior, then who will be)
BUT,
they must also have faith. (without faith, it is impossible to please God)
BUT,
they must also be lead by the Spirit. (as many as are led by the Spirit of God, are the sons of God)
BUT,
they must also accept Him as Lord. (one cannot have two masters)
BUT,
they must also forgive. (if you do not forgive, neither will the Father fogive you)
etc....
So, I guess just believing in a name is not enough.
OK
But where Christ is concerned, a person has to believe in a name/title for the person who died for them on the cross, i accept the rest of what you say
But, you are saying a person must believe that the Son of God died for them on the cross in order to be saved, that is ultimately THE NAME they must believe in(or title if you like) is that correct?
But where Christ is concerned, a person has to believe in a name/title for the person who died for them on the cross, i accept the rest of what you say
But, you are saying a person must believe that the Son of God died for them on the cross in order to be saved, that is ultimately THE NAME they must believe in(or title if you like) is that correct?
I wrote Jesus (Holy Earthen Vessel with no beginning or measure) CHRIST (The Father---Holy Spirit/Holy Soul without measure and without beginning) of Nazareth. The Father is the Anointed One. There are no scriptures anywhere to indicate that Christ and The Father are not the same one and only God.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
We can see the Holy Spirit/Soul combo (The Father/Christ) in the Holy Earthen Vessel with no beginning (Jesus). If the Holy Soul/Spirit of God revealed His appearance without an earthen vessel to us while we dwell in these earthen vessels, then our earthen vessels would be destroyed from such great and powerful Light. When our earthen vessels are made of the new earth, then things will be different. Christ is The Father/God/I AM, with no beginning or ending, and Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Father in an approachable earthen vessel with no beginning, approachable even for us. God has no beginning, Jesus has no beginning, Christ has no beginning, The Father has no beginning, and The Holy Spirit has no beginning. The I Am (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) has no beginning, and is God our Father, and The Son of God, and The Holy Spirit without measure. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God. Or do I need to go back to when He was worshipped before we called Him Jesus Christ of Nazareth?
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
We can see the Holy Spirit/Soul combo (The Father/Christ) in the Holy Earthen Vessel with no beginning (Jesus). If the Holy Soul/Spirit of God revealed His appearance without an earthen vessel to us while we dwell in these earthen vessels, then our earthen vessels would be destroyed from such great and powerful Light. When our earthen vessels are made of the new earth, then things will be different. Christ is The Father/God/I AM, with no beginning or ending, and Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Father in an approachable earthen vessel with no beginning, approachable even for us. God has no beginning, Jesus has no beginning, Christ has no beginning, The Father has no beginning, and The Holy Spirit has no beginning. The I Am (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) has no beginning, and is God our Father, and The Son of God, and The Holy Spirit without measure. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God. Or do I need to go back to when He was worshipped before we called Him Jesus Christ of Nazareth?
Well I have read it quickly but you CANNOT GIVE ME ONE NAME CHRIST MUST BE BELIEVED TO BE UNTO SALVATION
Whether
Son of God
God
Prophet
Dustman
or CANdlestickmaker
Frankly this is apalling and the problem when you refuse to stick with the plain word
If you met a desperate person on the street who wanted to cry out to God to be saved
Just who will you tell them died on the cross for them?
Don't tell me, I know
Some chap called Jesus of Nazareth
Sorry, but you joined this debate tonight seeming to infer you were on the 'meat' but not everyone was, but you cannot even give me a title/name/person Jesus must be believed to be to inherit eternal life apart from a name that could apply to almost anybody
I am almost persuadest to take Zone off ignore, at least she would give me a name
Whether
Son of God
God
Prophet
Dustman
or CANdlestickmaker
Frankly this is apalling and the problem when you refuse to stick with the plain word
If you met a desperate person on the street who wanted to cry out to God to be saved
Just who will you tell them died on the cross for them?
Don't tell me, I know
Some chap called Jesus of Nazareth
Sorry, but you joined this debate tonight seeming to infer you were on the 'meat' but not everyone was, but you cannot even give me a title/name/person Jesus must be believed to be to inherit eternal life apart from a name that could apply to almost anybody
I am almost persuadest to take Zone off ignore, at least she would give me a name
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You don't think that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is a name? I already told you Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God. There is no other name that can save us, but Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I cannot give you any other name, I'm sorry, it's Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and there is NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN, given among men whereby we must be saved. There's no salvation in any other but Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth refers to Almighty God. Almighty God refers to the I AM. How else can I explain to you that Jesus Christ of Nazareth (that's the name you're looking for) is the one and only name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved? Jesus Christ of Nazareth (that's the name of the fullness of the Godhead bodily).
Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
C
They must believe that He is their Savior (believing that He is the only One who does deliver them).
You say, or at least imply, that He must be called a certain name in order to receive salvation. But, I, however, also see this as another means of receiving salvation:
2Ti 3:15 .... thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
My point: it is the faith in the One God sent by which salvation is obtained. Who is the One God sent: Jesus: the Christ, the Son of God, Lord, and whatever other title He is named in Scripture.
You say, or at least imply, that He must be called a certain name in order to receive salvation. But, I, however, also see this as another means of receiving salvation:
2Ti 3:15 .... thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
My point: it is the faith in the One God sent by which salvation is obtained. Who is the One God sent: Jesus: the Christ, the Son of God, Lord, and whatever other title He is named in Scripture.
So, you meet someone in the street who is in a desperate state and wants to accept Christ as their Saviour.
You say Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God
Simple Question, before you pray with a person who wants to accept Jesus of Nazareth into their life will you tell them they have to believe that he is God and they must belIeve in that name(God) if they are to be saved?
Or will you not mention your belief that Jesus is God and just tell them they can believe in the name Jesus of Nazareth
Ultimately WHICH NAME MUST THEY BELIEVE IN JESUS OF NAZARETH OR GOD UNTO SALVATION?
Easy question to answer
You say Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God
Simple Question, before you pray with a person who wants to accept Jesus of Nazareth into their life will you tell them they have to believe that he is God and they must belIeve in that name(God) if they are to be saved?
Or will you not mention your belief that Jesus is God and just tell them they can believe in the name Jesus of Nazareth
Ultimately WHICH NAME MUST THEY BELIEVE IN JESUS OF NAZARETH OR GOD UNTO SALVATION?
Easy question to answer
You are in such a mess now, you really are. You just cannot simply respond with one name can you.
And yet, this is the very core of the Gospel
Now I know you'll tell me you are not in a mess but you are, just like John, why oh why can you not just stick with what scripture plainly states must be believed rather than look to man
And yet, this is the very core of the Gospel
Now I know you'll tell me you are not in a mess but you are, just like John, why oh why can you not just stick with what scripture plainly states must be believed rather than look to man
Well I am sorry to be rude, but your responses have been awful(to put it politely)
Now I will give you the scriptural name, then you will most likely argue about it, cause otherwise you'd have to admit you are wrong, and so may Cfultz argue too
KJV Cfultz
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life,[SUP][d][/SUP] and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
1John5:13
Now I will give you the scriptural name, then you will most likely argue about it, cause otherwise you'd have to admit you are wrong, and so may Cfultz argue too
KJV Cfultz
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life,[SUP][d][/SUP] and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
1John5:13
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The bible is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR as to the name we must believe Christ to have to inherit etrnal life, it is the Son of God
The ministers in the churches do not demand anything more than that(or a very very few may)
Over 90% of the congregations wouldn't ask more than that either, but can people on the internet accerpt the plain words of scripture?
Some do, many will not
What is the point of you and I discussing anything when you refuse to accept the very plainest of scripture in debate