The Trinity

[mark54]

funny how you call us all 'fools' (or, head theologians) for believing differently then you....oh well...

Whether or not you care to admit it, you have been doing the same thing that you have accused everyone else of doing. I don't think anyone here has denied that Jesus is the SON of God. We have stressed that Him being the SON of God has major implications, that go far beyond what you think of Him.

An alternative conversation:

But who do you say I am he asked
Simon Peter replied
You are the Christ, the Son of the living God

Jesus sighs deeply

No Peter, that is not enough you must understand the full implications of that statement. You have to firstly realise I am a member of an equal Trinity consisting of Father, Son and Spirit. I have existed for all ages past as part of this Trinity. In the ontological sense of Trinity I cannot be subordinate to the father, but in the economic sense of Trinity I am.
It is vital you understand all things came from the Father through me. It is not enough to simply believe I am the son of God, you must believe I am God to be saved, even though I say I am not the one true God.

Peter starts scratching his head


You must also have a full understanding of the belief that will be called OSAS. And make sure everyone understands about the pre trib rapture, because it is vital they understand that subject correctly . and also what will become known as filique

But when you write books about your time with me you don't have to tell people who they must believe me to be to inherit eternal life, because scholars and theologians will do that for you. They will pour over your books and others and realise that is what you meant.

Peter shakes his head, he doesn't understand

 

[Abiding]

I hope Elin doesnt break any ribs

 

[zone]

Why not ask Zone, Elin or Bowman if they believe a person can be a Christian/saved if they believe Christ is the son of God but not God Himself?
I can go and get their posts if neccessary

please produce my posts saying a person cannot "be a Christian/saved if they believe Christ is the son of God"

hurry please. i have church soon.
it's necessary to get my posts saying that.
very much so.
go get them please Mark


{could someone slip this under Mark's door? he's ignoring the knocking}
ty

 

[Abiding]

An alternative conversation:

But who do you say I am he asked
Simon Peter replied
You are the Christ, the Son of the living God

Jesus sighs deeply

No Peter, that is not enough you must understand the full implications of that statement. You have to firstly realise I am a member of an equal Trinity consisting of Father, Son and Spirit. I have existed for all ages past as part of this Trinity. In the ontological sense of Trinity I cannot be subordinate to the father, but in the economic sense of Trinity I am.
It is vital you understand all things came from the Father through me. It is not enough to simply believe I am the son of God, you must believe I am God to be saved, even though I say I am not the one true God.

Peter starts scratching his head


You must also have a full understanding of the belief that will be called OSAS. And make sure everyone understands about the pre trib rapture, because it is vital they understand that subject correctly . and also what will become known as filique

But when you write books about your time with me you don't have to tell people who they must believe me to be to inherit eternal life, because scholars and theologians will do that for you. They will pour over your books and others and realise that is what you meant.

Peter shakes his head, he doesn't understand

 

[Abiding]

please produce my posts saying a person cannot "be a Christian/saved if they believe Christ is the son of God"

hurry please. i have church soon.
it's necessary to get my posts saying that.
very much so.
go get them please Mark


{could someone slip this under Mark's door? he's ignoring the knocking}
ty

Yo Mark!...............

 

[mark54]

That's how some humans going to end up if they take too much notice of the ologies and isms of websites like these

 

[Abiding]

That's how some humans going to end up if they take too much notice of the ologies and isms of websites like these

Which ones? Have you found zones post yet? We are all waiting.

 

[mark54]

Which ones? Have you found zones post yet? We are all waiting.

I don't read the posts you put up of zones
There is hardly any point in an ignore mechanism on cc, if people have to read the peoples posts they put on ignore, because someone else posts them
Actually, if this continues i may make a complaint about it.
For the rules in cc state you are entitled to put someone on ignore. I do not believe a friend of theres should then be able to deliberately(which is what you did at Zones request I imagine_) put a post of theres up with the sole intention that it should be read by someone who has that person on ignore
It would seem to me that is an effort to get round one of the mechanisms put in place on this website by the moderators

 

[Abiding]

I don't read the posts you put up of zones
There is hardly any point in an ignore mechanism on cc, if people have to read the peoples posts they put on ignore, because someone else posts them
Actually, if this continues i may make a complaint about it.
For the rules in cc state you are entitled to put someone on ignore. I do not believe a friend of theres should then be able to deliberately(which is what you did at Zones request I imagine_) put a post of theres up with the sole intention that it should be read by someone who has that person on ignore
It would seem to me that is an effort to get round one of the mechanisms put in place on this website by the moderators

All i did was see zones request you proved your slander. Its ok you can make it
a personal game if youd like. That is an answer by itself of your allegations.

 

[mark54]

All i did was see zones request you proved your slander. Its ok you can make it
a personal game if youd like. That is an answer by itself of your allegations.

To be honest Abiding it looks almost embarrassing the way you run around this website doing Zone's bidding and backing her up

As for the rest of your diatribe, I realise that is caused by your inability to defend the ridiculous position you find yourself in doctrinally and having been shown to have part time wishy washy beliefs(as have others)

 

[Abiding]

To be honest Abiding it looks almost embarrassing the way you run around this website doing Zone's bidding and backing her up

As for the rest of your diatribe, I realise that is caused by your inability to defend the ridiculous position you find yourself in doctrinally and having been shown to have part time wishy washy beliefs(as have others)

Oh really? your the one pointing out you put her on "ignore" then slandered her. Id do the same
for anyone.

Me? defend what? What rediculous position? What do you mean part time? This is all
just a dealy you made up. That doesnt make sense to too many.

And no, im not in the least embarrassed about my respect for zone. Nor my defense
for her if thats how it appears. Really bugs ya huh?

 

[Abiding]

And im not impartial really youve said things not exactly true about Elin also

 

[mark54]

Oh really? your the one pointing out you put her on "ignore" then slandered her. Id do the same
for anyone.

Me? defend what? What rediculous position? What do you mean part time? This is all
just a dealy you made up. That doesnt make sense to too many.

And no, im not in the least embarrassed about my respect for zone. Nor my defense
for her if thats how it appears. Really bugs ya huh?

I slandered Zone.?
You people have your priorities all wrong. You think nothing of in effect telling a person they will be condmned on the day of judgement for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth, nor of what appears to me to be an atttempt to get round a mechanism put in place by the moderators of the site, and you don't mind being rude yourselves, but still feel able to complain about how you perceive others to be

 

[mark54]

And im not impartial really youve said things not exactly true about Elin also

Abiding, I know you loyally follow others in the same boat as you, so I will ignore the comment
I am sure Elin is old enough to defend herself should she feel there is a need to

 

[zone]

To be honest Abiding it looks almost embarrassing the way you run around this website doing Zone's bidding and backing her up

As for the rest of your diatribe, I realise that is caused by your inability to defend the ridiculous position you find yourself in doctrinally and having been shown to have part time wishy washy beliefs(as have others)

oh cool
dogfight

Mark:
is the "ridiculous position" Abiding finds himself in his belief that JESUS IS GOD?
is that the "ridiculous position" of those on this site you deplore.

(questions will go unanswered because Mark now knows i know who he is)

 

[zone]

(questions will go unanswered because Mark now knows i know who he is)

church now....this dealt with later.
ta ta

 

[Elin]

Alas, I am far from perfect, and sometimes, when goaded do respond, though I accept responsibility obviously for doing so.

Good to hear.

It is my hope that as you passionately believe(I can produce the posts if neccessary) a person must believe Christ IS God unto salvation

You've got me mixed up with someone else.

there will come a time when

Your prognostication skills need some improving.

you will carry that conviction outside of this website and demand ministers preach plainly from the pulpit what to you is acceptable and unacceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvation and the consequences of getting it wrong.

I'm not, never have been, and will never be in the business of telling preachers what they must preach.

That's pure unfounded conjecture on your part. . .as are other things you maintain.

 

[mark54]

I'm not, and never have been, and will not ever be in the business of telling preachers what they must preach.

Well, obviously to you I imagine then it is not that important if a persion believes Jesus is God or simply the son of God, glad to hear it
I assume that must be true, or you would be upset at any minster that will not plainly preach one is acceptable belief and one is not, and would then feel compelled to speak to them Don't know what all the fuss has been about then

 

[Bowman]

God is the Father - God is Spirit - but not The Spirit? Yep - God is singular.

Show me a verse which states that The Father is The Spirit.

That's a sticking point for Trinity-deniers...they think that The Father is God...and that The Spirit is God....therefore they reason that The Father is The Spirit.

NOT!

There's only one Biblical Trinity.

Please make sure that you understand it...

btw...how's that study on 'The Truth' coming along...?

 

[Elin]

I hope Elin doesnt break any ribs

You can hear me way over there?

I'm dyin' over here with you and zone!