God's freewill vs. Mankind's election

[Abiding]

Rick if you remember right i asked you the question
if you forgot it was

does a man get to say yes or no to the gift of salvation?

 

[Abiding]

Here I seem to be vs. the two: Abiding and E.G.
"Likes" to go around between them,......(but only them).

are you flattering yourself?

 

[RickShafer]

Answer what rick?

Just a scripture......please......could you do that for me?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They do have freewill in a sense.
Judas Iscariot had freewill in a sense.
He was with Jesus, he saw the miracles, - (probably one of the seventy He sent out),
but he was a thief and the holder of the bag.
He was also the disciple Jesus Himself said was "the son of perdition".
Freewill indeed. But not led by God.
God could have made robots, but He didn't.
It is a secret and sacred thing, but God chooses His own because without His grace - - - -
none of us would come to the cross. - "None are righteous, no not one".
(Which means none are able to receive His Holy blessing of forgiveness without the gift of faith.)

Judas chose to not believe,
The other 11 chose to believe, John 6 makes this clear.. Who has seen and believed, and who did not believe.

Faith is a gift only in the aspect of what we can have faith in.. The gospel and salvation is the gift. But God is not just going to hand it to us, He wants us to believe him and have faith in him and his promises based on his love.

 

[Abiding]

Just a scripture......please......could you do that for me?

rick ive been up for a day and a half please quit talking in half thoughts

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Beautifully said,
Now, who gave him that blindness, himself or God?

this question makes no sense to me . God uses different things to bring people to him. How does God know what to do? he is God. He knows how people will react.

He also know with some people there is nothing he could do to get them to believe (we see this with the jews who rejected him even after he rose someone from the dead.

It does not prove we do not have a free will choice, and our eternity is dependent in it.

The religious trust self. alot of boasting, because it is based on their hard work.
The agnostic or licentious do not think they need saved, so trust nothing. Alot of boasting, because they are their own God.
The Child of God trust God. No boasting here,, they did nothing..All boasting can only Go to God.

 

[Abiding]

Rick ive waited for an answer and all you do is make trippy posts to me
i dont understand.

question: do you think im here to mess with you? yes or no?

 

[RickShafer]

rick ive been up for a day and a half please quit talking in half thoughts

O.K. bro.; sorry.
Have rest in Jesus Name!

 

[RickShafer]

Rick ive waited for an answer and all you do is make trippy posts to me
i dont understand.

question: do you think im here to mess with you? yes or no?

No.
I think you are here to guard the gate. - As you see it.
No trips here.

 

[RickShafer]

this question makes no sense to me . God uses different things to bring people to him. How does God know what to do? he is God. He knows how people will react.(Do you see the discordance in this saying?)

He also know with some people there is nothing he could do to get them to believe (we see this with the jews who rejected him even after he rose someone from the dead.(The chosen Nation?)

It does not prove we do not have a free will choice, and our eternity is dependent in it.

The religious trust self. alot of boasting, because it is based on their hard work.
The agnostic or licentious do not think they need saved, so trust nothing. Alot of boasting, because they are their own God.
The Child of God trust God. No boasting here,, they did nothing..All boasting can only Go to God. (Only those who think they have a hand in saving themselves boast) - (Many who claim their faith is their own do this - - - it doesn't take 'religious' or 'agnostic' - in truth both categories are spiritually licentious)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

this question makes no sense to me . God uses different things to bring people to him. How does God know what to do? he is God. He knows how people will react.(Do you see the discordance in this saying?)

No. I see God doing what he knows needs to be done so someone can make a free will choice.. Which makes him God. He knows not everyone will believe the same way, or he would do everything the same way. which I would expect to see in a non free will based system.

He also know with some people there is nothing he could do to get them to believe (we see this with the jews who rejected him even after he rose someone from the dead.(The chosen Nation?)

What does that have to do with people seeing and not believing?

It does not prove we do not have a free will choice, and our eternity is dependent in it.

The religious trust self. alot of boasting, because it is based on their hard work.
The agnostic or licentious do not think they need saved, so trust nothing. Alot of boasting, because they are their own God.
The Child of God trust God. No boasting here,, they did nothing..All boasting can only Go to God. (Only those who think they have a hand in saving themselves boast) - (Many who claim their faith is their own do this - - - it doesn't take 'religious' or 'agnostic' - in truth both categories are spiritually licentious)

lol. I claim to have faith on my own, but I am not boasting. My faith is in God not me.

No one who has faith in God alone can boast. this is ridiculous. how can they, unless they are trusting self to save them. then it would be a trust in their works. not their faith.

 

[RickShafer]

Judas chose to not believe,
The other 11 chose to believe, John 6 makes this clear.. Who has seen and believed, and who did not believe.

Faith is a gift only in the aspect of what we can have faith in.. The gospel and salvation is the gift. But God is not just going to hand it to us, He wants us to believe him and have faith in him and his promises based on his love.

Friend E.G.; no man enters the Holy of Hollies without unmerited favor.
It's called grace. Your faith is only through grace, ....you can see that right?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Friend E.G.; no man enters the Holy of Hollies without unmerited favor.
It's called grace. Your faith is only through grace, ....you can see that right?

yeah I can. without grace, and Gods work on the cross. I would have nothing to have faith in. Grace is offered to all. But not all will chose to come. Judas chose not to believe, Peter and the others chose to believe.


the veil was broken in two at the holy of holies because no longer do we need a high priest to make intercession for us, we can come to God on our own now, due to faith in Christ.

 

[RickShafer]

[/COLOR]No. I see God doing what he knows needs to be done so someone can make a free will choice.. Which makes him God. He knows not everyone will believe the same way, or he would do everything the same way. which I would expect to see in a non free will based system.

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What does that have to do with people seeing and not believing?



lol. I claim to have faith on my own, but I am not boasting. My faith is in God not me.(I know it is....your faith is in Jesus)
.....(Got it)

No one who has faith in God alone can boast. this is ridiculous. how can they, unless they are trusting self to save them. then it would be a trust in their works. not their faith.(Yes...yes....yes...."Your faith is not your own; it is a
gift from God, lest any man should boast")

 

[Drett]

There is no limits to what God can do. If God wants to forgive then it is forgiven. To suggest God has limitation is nothing short of blasphemy.

 

[RickShafer]

][/U]yeah I can. without grace, and Gods work on the cross.(We must speak a different language) I would have nothing to have faith in. Grace is offered to all. But not all will chose to come. Judas chose not to believe, Peter and the others chose to believe.


the veil was broken in two at the holy of holies because no longer do we need a high priest to make intercession for us,(Wrong!!!!) we can come to God on our own now,(No you can't) due to faith in Christ.(Jesus IS THE intercessor, not you!!!!!)

With a rope tied to your ankle is the only way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is no limits to what God can do. If God wants to forgive then it is forgiven. To suggest God has limitation is nothing short of blasphemy.

who is limiting God

God said he will forgive based on his son.

he told us how to recieve that forgiveness (through faith) or to miss out (not believe)

No one is limiting God, he is the one who created the way to forgiveness. By faith in him and his son.

 

[RickShafer]

Jesus is the High Priest and intercessor, not YOU!!!!!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

(I know it is....your faith is in Jesus)
.....(Got it)

No you don't have anything. It is Jesus. not me..your twisting things around. and it does not help you.

No one who has faith in God alone can boast. this is ridiculous. how can they, unless they are trusting self to save them. then it would be a trust in their works. not their faith.(Yes...yes....yes...."Your faith is not your own; it is a
gift from God, lest any man should boast")

Ah yes, lets twist eph 2 around.

Eph 2 does not say our faith was a gift. it says we were saved as a gift. Salvation is the gift.

Not of works lest any man should boast. Nothing about faith.l thus faith is not a work. Even paul said it must be of faith and not works..

The boasting is when we try to work to earn it. Faith is not a work in which we can earn anything. this is a sad misconception of what true faith is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus is the High Priest and intercessor, not YOU!!!!!!

lol. Yep your right. but he is not going to intercede unless I come to him and ask for it. and I will not do that unless I trust (have faith) him that he can do it.. otherwise I will trust self.

this is the part your not getting.