The Trinity

[mark54]

Re: You have nothing...

I took my grey matter enhancement pill and thought it over and this is what i came up with.
In all the churches ive been in and all the christians ive known declared Jesus was the Son of God
"And" God.

The second thing that came to me was that the only place iver heard otherwise was people
who come to internet sites preaching anything different. And that i never see them on the street corners
preaching that Personally i think they are speaking from their white matter.

Take some advice Abiding. Sitting at your computer discussing doctrine on the internet for most of your life, will not lead you into much Holy Spirit led conviction and truth, but will give you much head theology, theology that in effect tells you a person will be condemned on the day of judgement for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth

 

[Abiding]

Re: You have nothing...

Nope, but you don't believe the plain words of Christ.


Sure does. Being on CC since I was 17 has taught me more about heresy and the wierd beliefs dark hearts prefer over the light of the Gospel. What can ya' say though? Bright lights are sore on dark eyes.





Care to clarify?[/QUOTE]

No point because you are just fudging

Christ said there is only one true God, the Father,. that's the plain words of Christ

But like I say, as you cannot bring yourself to state whether all ministers are obligated to preach plainly from the pulpit the neccessary requirement of belief unto salvation, and the consequences of getting it wrong, that doesn't speak to me of heartfelt conviction

But on the bright side, the ministers don't preach what a few of you do on here(or very few would), and at least 90% of their congregations would shake their heads at your comments
Add to that neither Christ, Paul Peter James or John demanded anyone believe Christ was the one true God unto salvation, and that mainly leaves a few of you head theologists on the internet making the comments you do

Where your more than a tad silly is not to understand that all the apostles and Jesus said He was
the "Son Of God" because He was and Is the "Son Of God".

Trying to hold a strait face here. Your doing all your talking with ONE verse trying to debate people
who use the whole bibleAre you looking for a new website yet?

 

[Abiding]

Re: You have nothing...

Take some advice Abiding. Sitting at your computer discussing doctrine on the internet for most of your life, will not lead you into much Holy Spirit led conviction and truth, but will give you much head theology, theology that in effect tells you a person will be condemned on the day of judgement for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth

Gee thanks Mark. Ill go write that down.

 

[mark54]

Re: You have nothing...

Where your more than a tad silly is not to understand that all the apostles and Jesus said He was
the "Son Of God" because He was and Is the "Son Of God".

Trying to hold a strait face here. Your doing all your talking with ONE verse trying to debate people
who use the whole bibleAre you looking for a new website yet?

One verse, eh? Have another read through the posts on this thread

The problem is you cannot even give me one verse of scripture from the ENTIRE BIBLE that states what you believe, not one, as Elin has repeatedly herself stated

 

[Abiding]

Re: You have nothing...

One verse, eh? Have another read through the posts on this thread

The problem is you cannot even give me one verse of scripture from the ENTIRE BIBLE that states what you believe, not one, as Elin has repeatedly herself stated

Of coarse not i agreed with that in on of our first exchanges. And i just told you why.
Are you looking for another site yet?

 

[Jon4TheCross]

And you are ignoring all of the plain scripture placed before you
Christ said the Father is the one true God.
Your exegesis which simply aims to overturn the plain scriptrures means absolutely nothing to me.
I repeat
Neither Christ, Paul Peter, James, John, commanded anyone to believe Christ was God Himself. Nearly all the Trinitarian ministers from the pulpits and well over 90% of their congregations do not/would not insist on it either, but would be scholars and theologians obn the internet who are wise in their own eyes do. But they do not understand the spiritual reality
So many, as a Trinitarian minister on another website said
Come onto the internet who think they know

Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[SUP][a][/SUP]; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.
1Cor3:19-21

So then you don't care who The Captain of the host of the Lord is? And the priest forever after the order of Melchisidec? I see that you understand who they are, just face it, Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God (even if you don't understand it fully yet, cause we're all trying to understand it fully, right?)

The difference between the scriptures I give, and the ones you think I'm ignoring, is that when you include these two characters to your interpretation, all of a sudden you have questions you can't answer. If adding the knowledge of these two men to the interpretation causes contradiction, the interpretation is wrong. The only answer (because it's clear that both were worshiped) is that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the earthen vessel (which by nature includes the Soul with no beginning, which then by nature includes the Spirit with no beginning or measure)of God with no beginning, and no measure (the Body of Christ still grows, but He's not adopted). If you don't know who those two men are, then I would certainly make it a priority to find out.

 

[mark54]

Re: You have nothing...

I dunno, all those Trinitarian ministers who obviously are not as spiritually discerning as some of you on the internet. For they do not make the pronouncements many of you do on websites such as these.

Gee, it doesn't seem fair, those more spiritually knowledgeable/discerning are stuck on the internet, while those inferior to them in spiritual understanding are in the pulpits, I sympathise with you, it must be very frustrasting for many of you

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[mark54]

So then you don't care who The Captain of the host of the Lord is? And the priest forever after the order of Melchisidec? I see that you understand who they are, just face it, Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God (even if you don't understand it fully yet, cause we're all trying to understand it fully, right?)

The difference between the scriptures I give, and the ones you think I'm ignoring, is that when you include these two characters to your interpretation, all of a sudden you have questions you can't answer. If adding the knowledge of these two men to the interpretation causes contradiction, the interpretation is wrong. The only answer (because it's clear that both were worshiped) is that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the earthen vessel (which by nature includes the Soul with no beginning, which then by nature includes the Spirit with no beginning or measure)of God with no beginning, and no measure (the Body of Christ still grows, but He's not adopted). If you don't know who those two men are, then I would certainly make it a priority to find out.

The reality is, what matters most to you is believing through much study and hard work, you through your own effort and little grey cells have come to much understanding
Two problems
Your conclusions contradict the plain words of Christ
And your little grey cells will never teach/convict you of spiritual truth

 

[Abiding]

Re: You have nothing...

I dunno, all those Trinitarian ministers who obviously are not as spiritually discerning as some of you on the internet. For they do not make the pronouncements many of you do on websites such as these.

Gee, it doesn't seem fair, those more spiritually knowledgeable/discerning are stuck on the internet, while those inferior to them in spiritual understanding are in the pulpits, I sympathise with you, it must be very frustrasting for many of you

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Your boring me to death, thats why i stay away from your threads for the most part. Your like those oldfashioned pullstring dolls. You need new lines for sure Mark. Why are you on the internet poking people on the internet. Its so bizarre you dont
see how silly that makes you look. Have you found your next website yet?

 

[mark54]

Re: You have nothing...

Of coarse not i agreed with that in on of our first exchanges. And i just told you why.
Are you looking for another site yet?

Yep, you believe the core of the Christian faith and the belief upon which eternal life hinges is not written on the bible

A belief that neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John commanded anyone to believe
That's handy though for the would be scholar and theologian isn't it!

 

[mark54]

Re: You have nothing...

Your boring me to death, thats why i stay away from your threads for the most part. Your like those oldfashioned pullstring dolls. You need new lines for sure Mark. Why are you on the internet poking people on the internet. Its so bizarre you dont
see how silly that makes you look. Have you found your next website yet?

Like I told you Abiding, the spiritually mature do not make the pronouncements you and others do on websites like these

 

[Jon4TheCross]

The reality is, what matters most to you is believing through much study and hard work, you through your own effort and little grey cells have come to much understanding
Two problems
Your conclusions contradict the plain words of Christ
And your little grey cells will never teach/convict you of spiritual truth

Contradictions? I have not received even one scripture from you that contradicts anything I've said. And you still refuse to answer plainly what the name of the Captain of the host of the Lord is? And the name of the priest forever after the order of Melchisidec? Until people who don't want to understand at least come up with some kind of answer for this, then it will always be simply ignored. You are ignoring this for sure, just like everyone does who thinks Jesus Christ of Nazareth isn't God.

 

[zone]

any honesty trinitarian will admit) that states Christ is the one true God, yet I do have plain scripture that says he is not

post your plain scripture which says Jesus IS NOT GOD.

 

[Abiding]

Re: You have nothing...

Like I told you Abiding, the spiritually mature do not make the pronouncements you and others do on websites like these

your really hurting me Mark

 

[mark54]

Contradictions? I have not received even one scripture from you that contradicts anything I've said. And you still refuse to answer plainly what the name of the Captain of the host of the Lord is? And the name of the priest forever after the order of Melchisidec? Until people who don't want to understand at least come up with some kind of answer for this, then it will always be simply ignored. You are ignoring this for sure, just like everyone does who thinks Jesus Christ of Nazareth isn't God.

Ylou have just ignored the scriptures that you responded to. Christ is not the one true God Himself, and no matter how much exegesis you try and do with scripture will not change that fact
Your exegesis is faulty, or Christ is wrong, whereas you may believe it is the latter, I do not

 

[mark54]

Re: You have nothing...

your really hurting me Mark

Yoiu are hurting yourself Abiding, but I doubt you see it

 

[Abiding]

Re: You have nothing...

Yoiu are hurting yourself Abiding, but I doubt you see it

answer Zone

 

[zone]

i'm on ignore.
someone else should ask him to produce proof Jesus is not God.
then the button should be considered.
arianism is rank heresy.

 

[mark54]

Re: You have nothing...

answer Zone

As you should know Zone is on my ignore list. If you have a problem with people using that facility, make your feelings known to a moderator
She was put on my ignore list for constantly refusing to answer questions I put to her, but rather just wanted me to respond to her questions,
Not a good advert for someone who has read so avidly of scholars and theologians

 

[zone]

well......i reckon it's time to drag out some old posts from the archives.

tomorrow is soon enough.
has anyone figured out who this is yet?