Reformed Theology - Penal Substitution and the Imputed Righteousness of Christ

[Skinski7]

Originally Posted by Skinski7

My comments in Red


now who is talking out of both sides of his mouth?

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Did you even read this within the context of the passage?

2 Corinthians 7

[SUP]8[/SUP]Even if I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it. Though I did regret it—I see that my letter hurt you, but only for a little while—[SUP]9 [/SUP]yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.[SUP]11 [/SUP]See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter.[SUP]12 [/SUP]So even though I wrote to you, it was neither on account of the one who did the wrong nor on account of the injured party, but rather that before God you could see for yourselves how devoted to us you are.[SUP]13 [/SUP]By all this we are encouraged.

Paul is referring to the sorrow that was produced by his letter. Quit being so quick to point out others taking things out of context when you yourself do the very same thing.

I don't really understand the point you are attempting to make.

Of course the godly sorrow that wrought a repentance was due to what Paul had written previously. That doesn't negate godly sorrow in repentance that is not to be regretted. Repentance is not something to be regretted or repented of. A grain of wheat is meant to die ONCE not again and again and again. An individual is meant to forsake their rebellion to God once not again and again and again. The Prodigal Son was not to be going back and forth between the pig pen and the father over and over.

If an individual does this...

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

What was their initial repentance worth? Did not they repent (change their mind) of their initial repentance?

 

[Skinski7]

not one single born again christian will say you don't have a changed life.
BUT:
if you're not saved WHILE a sinner, you're not saved.

you're not anyway, Scott.
no christian does and says what you do.
you're long gone.

The Lord rebuke you and your network.

more on them to come.

When I say one is not saved in their sin it is in the context of a genuine repentance where the rebellion to God ceases.

In other words the old man is crucified where the body of sin is destroyed that one no longer YIELDS to sin. Thus they are not enslaved to sin but have been set free.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Salvation is the state of existence where one IS free. Thus there is no state of salvation whilst one is still a slave to sin.

Multitudes of modern theologians teach that one can be FREE from sin and yet a SLAVE of sin at the same time. They teach that one is FREE in ABSTRACTION (identified with Christ) whilst one is still ENSLAVED in PRACTICALITY (still in bondage to lust). The perfect example of this the pornography addict who is told that he is saved even though he still YIELDS to sin. That is what I stand against. There is no salvation IN sin.

 

[zone]

i'm done with you and the Gapper thing.
if ppl want to learn your stuff, that's their choice.

i'm not even going to deal with the kid who named you by name.

we'll leave it God's Hands.

why should i care if anyone gets sucked into your stuff?
as of now.....i don't.

i'm tapping out.
too much time already wasted caring about your lot and the mess you've made.

 

[Skinski7]

what you don't answer skinski is WHY do people sell themselves into Satan's control by sinning? They do so because they CHOOSE TO DO SO not realising the actual consequences of what they are doing. When a young person first CHOOSES to suppress the light and rebel against God they truly have no conception of what it is they are actually doing and how dangerous it is. Nevertheless this ignorance of the extent or seriousness of sin is no excuse. Adam and Eve did not realise the seriousness either and tried to excuse themselves.
and is there anyone beside Jesus who did NOT sin? Good question. I don't know for certain the answer to that. If there is an exception then it would have to be John the Baptist because he was indwelt by the Spirit of God from His youth and those born of God don't sin.
Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk 1:14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Luk 1:16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Luk 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

why were they not able to keep from sinning? Sin is ALWAYS a choice. If sin is necessitated by the flesh then we are not responsible for it. This is why Original Sin is a dangerous teaching because it redefines sinners from being criminals to being that of victims. How can on be truly sorry over their sin if deep down they believe that ultimately it was not their fault? ie. Adam made me do it.

the state people are in before being saved is totally depraved. Total depravity necessitates TOTAL INABILITY which means men CANNOT CHOOSE GOD unless God offsets the inability of total depravity. This was the issue of contention between Augustine and the Pelagian's in the 4th century. Augustine was promoting Original Sin which denied human ability and Pelagius was one of the people who noticed this and realised that the "inability doctrine" was rooted in pagan philosophy.

Jesse Morrell (who I have my differences with but nonetheless preaches righteousness) recently produced a documentary examining this issue...

[video=youtube;mhLF-llpFX0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLF-llpFX0[/video]

it is only through the HOLY SPIRIT and His leading that anyone is able to do good works. The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgement. One is only "indwelt" with the Holy Spirit if one yields to God, having forsaken rebellion to Him. Men are perfectly capable of doing good apart from the indwelling of the Holy Ghost because God has endowed all men with the ability to exercise their will and CHOOSE between good and evil. The Holy Spirit is with us but not necessarily in us. For it to be in us we have to obey God and thus walk in the light.

Look at this passage...

Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Did Cain have a choice or was he disabled the virtuous choice?

that is basic teachings of Christianity. No it is not. Total Depravity is a basic teaching of John Calvin who refined the doctrines of Augustine. Those of an Arminian persuasion oppose the "total inability" of "Total Depravity." I oppose both Arminianism and Calvinism because both systems are established on Original Sin and thus while the Arminian system decries "Total Inability" they still invented "Prevenient Grace" to offset an "inability" they still believe in. I don't find the Arminian system consistent with their claim of believing free will, they come close but they still hold to the leaven of Original Sin.

to teach that people are able to do good WITHOUT God is a lie. This statement is a fallacy. I don't teach that people can be good without God.

God has given all men a measure of light already.

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Without the light of God all men would be no better off than animals stumbling around in the dark. They would not have anything by which to rule over base desires.

For you to conclude that I teach that one can be good without God just goes to show that you do not understand what I write. I have corrected other erroneous conclusions you have drawn from my writings previously. This is just another example.

Jesus taught to be careful in what manner you hear.

Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

What if I was actually presenting to you the truth of Scripture and yet you had a veil over your eyes due to strongholds in the mind?

I do my best to cast down these strongholds patiently with Scripture and sound reasoning. If I am in error please elaborate carefully with the Scripture.

2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Satan works in the domain of the mind and this is the domain where deception takes hold.

 

[Skinski7]

Although I have repeatedly asked Skinski what he believes the following scripture means to him, he has thus far constantly refused to reply. If he does not know, he cannot understand the new covenant, and hence he writes what he does:

The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: [SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[SUP][b][/SUP]

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[SUP][c][/SUP]

It's the New Covenant of being circumcised without hands.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;


Yet for this to take place one must be WILLING. The willingness is produced through a genuine repentance experience where the mind changes and one yields themselves to God.

Many people today only confess their sinfulness instead of truly changing their mind about it (through being broken on the rock of Christ) and thus never FORSAKE their rebellion. An individuals desires will not change against their will. God works in us to will and to do but if we don't work out our salvation (put into effect) then the grace of God is received to no working effect. This is why God is the author of salvation to those who OBEY Him. Purity of heart cannot be produced in one who persists in rebellion.

 

[Skinski7]

My comments in red.



Ariel...then why does the Bible says that Jesus died for us sinners? Sinner have two problems. 1. Condemnation. 2. Bondage. It is through Jesus Christ that we can be rescued from both.

I don't think we should remain sinners but we were saved when we were sinners. We were saved while we were in sin and God takes us OUT and cleanses us of our sins. No that is not what the Bible teaches. The Prodigal Son was only restored AFTER he had forsaken the pig pen. He was not saved IN the pig pen.

Look at this verse...

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The cleansing can only occur if you are WALKING in the light. That means you are not living in the pig pen engaged in pig pen activities. Which is why the Bible says this...

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

The sins are blotted out when the refreshing (revival, recovery of breath) occurs. Notice though that repentance and conversion must come first. Repentance is where the rebellion in the heart is purged bringing an individual into a state of yielding to God whereby the deeds change. Conversion is the turning around. A sinner turns from their rebellion to an obedient faith in God.

It is in this obedient state that God raises one up to newness of life. Paul described it like this...

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

The old man is crucified and the body of sin is destroyed which means the rebellion ceases. The flesh with its passions and desires are crucified (Gal 5:24). This is why it is "obedience unto righteousness" which sets one free (Rom 6:16-18). God will not regenerate someone against their will, they have to come to God like the prodigal son broken over their rebellion, confessing their past misdeeds, forsaking that rebellion, seeking God for mercy. It is the broken, humble, poor in spirit, who will see God. These people hunger and thirst for righteousness and God fills them.

God does not save you in your rebellion. The sin has to stop before forgiveness is granted. The willful sins of the flesh I am talking about here, not things we do ignorantly.

We don't stop sinning by the power of the flesh, it is through the result of godly sorrow which produces this...

2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

Yes He saves us FROM our sins but we were IN our sin when He reached out and found us. Yes this is true, God indeed reaches out to sinner in the midst of their sins, he died for us when we were yet sinners the Bible says. Yet He does not save anyone IN their sin. when He caused us to have godly sorrow and repent. The Holy Spirit brings conviction but one can either receive that conviction or suppress it and harden one's heart. you think God only works after you repent, but we know that God is the one who caused the sorrow that lead to repentance in the first place. it was GOD who does this. You misunderstand me. God works in ALL MEN ALL THE TIME. You are incorrect to state that I assert that God only works in someone after repentance. What I do say though is that God will only REGENERATE someone AFTER repentance.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. Yet Paul is speaking of his past life here, not his life in the present.

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul in the present was this...

Act 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

In other words Paul was this...

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Saints are not sinners, but do saints sin? (those sins that do not lead unto death?) Saints may miss the mark yes but they do not engage in the sins of the flesh. Thus they will not be engaged in the sins of 1Cor 6:9-10, Eph 5:3-5, Gal 5:19-21. Beware of anyone who teaches that one can be engaged in those sins and still enter the kingdom.

 

[Skinski7]

UMMM,

Doesn't that leave out Jesus virgin birth,in which Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and not by a man?

No it does not. Under the Seminal Identity of Traducianism it is taught that sin is passed down in the male sperm. This was Augustine's view and thus he saw the virgin birth as a means to bypass the passage of Original Sin. Yet you will find no such thing taught in the Bible.

The Bible simply states this...

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The virgin birth of Jesus has nothing whatsoever to do with bypassing the male sperm in order that Jesus be born without the stain of Original Sin. That is simply error which is necessitated by underlying error. Remember a "little" leaven leavens the whole lump.




I recommend you watch the video entitled "Augustine and Original Sin." It covers a lot of the questions people ask.

[video=youtube;KVQ1t5i058Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVQ1t5i058Q[/video]

 

[mark54]

It's the New Covenant of being circumcised without hands.

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The above comment could be seen to relate to the scriptures I put to you Skinski, I don't believe the rest can

Let me make it simpler for you

Why, by the Holy Spirit writing the laws of God on the converts heart and mind does this mean God will remember their sins no more?

Now please don't say this relates to past sins, as this happens once the Spirit has written the law on the heart and mind, he has already therefore entered the converts life

Hebrews9 mirrors this:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself

The high priest entered the most holy place year after year for the sins of the people with sacrifices/blood for , people God had acepted as his own. The blood was so they may be forgiven their sins, but Christ gave one everlasting sacrifice for those who would come to him, and he did not need to keep offering himself for the sins of the people bwhom God had already accepted. He came to do away with sin (unto death) for the believer.


And I will remeber their sins and lawless acts no more

Because something significant happens by the Holy Spirit writing the law on our hearts and minds Skinski, and so far you have not told me what that significance is

 

[Skinski7]

Mo comments in Red



Sarah....Skinski,

Do you do this? Yes we pray fervently.

1 John 5

[SUP]16[/SUP]If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death.I am not saying that you should pray about that.[SUP]17 [/SUP]All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death. Sin that leads to death is willful transgression against one's knowledge of what is right. My understanding of why John says we don't have to pray for a sin unto death is because it is an act of the will and God will not infringe on an act of the will (in the context of forcing someone to obey).


In Jesus own words

Matthew 12

[SUP]30 [/SUP]“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.[SUP]31 [/SUP]And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.[SUP]32 [/SUP]Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

A few verses before that it says this...

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

They attributed the work of Christ to the devil. Thus they blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Don't do that Jesus warns.

Do you pray for the brothers and sisters who commit a sin? If not then how can you say you love the Lord? If a brother offend me I most certainly pray for them.

1 John 4

[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love because he first loved us.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.


What are you trying to do? Trying to find some sin with which to write off everything I say? Is that not what the Pharisees did? I make posts with very specific points and MANY TIMES people completely IGNORE the specific points and instead attempt to discredit what I write by trying to find fault in my character.

I confess I am not perfect and I confess I can make mistakes. If you see me in error please elaborate why it is error and use Scripture to substantiate any claim.

 

[zone]

I confess I am not perfect and I confess I can make mistakes. If you see me in error please elaborate why it is error and use Scripture to substantiate any claim.

hi skinski.
i'd like to let bygones be bygones.
i apologize for all the bad things i've said about you and your friends and your doctrines.
i hope you'll forgive me for all that.

we're all entitled to believe what we want.

it's nice to see you confess you're not perfect
i feel that way sometimes too.

but, i'm going to work much harder at paying attention to your ideas.
maybe you have it right after all.

maybe all the reformation teachings are heresy, and the ante-nicene stuff is right.
it'll take come getting used to, but i'm willing to toss everything i knew and figure out how to get to the point where i no longer have to confess any sin.

i'll read your stuff to see how.

i hope you'll find it in your heart to forgive me, and maybe i can make it up to you and Mike DeSario by helping out in some way.
let me know it if can.
deeds.

zone

 

[Skinski7]

The above comment could be seen to relate to the scriptures I put to you Skinski, I don't believe the rest can

Let me make it simpler for you

Why, by the Holy Spirit writing the laws of God on the converts heart and mind does this mean God will remember their sins no more?

Now please don't say this relates to past sins, as this happens once the Spirit has written the law on the heart and mind, he has already therefore entered the converts life

Hebrews9 mirrors this:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself

The high priest entered the most holy place year after year for the sins of the people with sacrifices/blood for , people God had acepted as his own. The blood was so they may be forgiven their sins, but Christ gave one everlasting sacrifice for those who would come to him, and he did not need to keep offering himself for the sins of the people bwhom God had already accepted. He came to do away with sin (unto death) for the believer.


And I will remeber their sins and lawless acts no more

Because something significant happens by the Holy Spirit writing the law on our hearts and minds Skinski, and so far you have not told me what that significance is

We enter into the Holy of Holies by the blood of Christ and approach God with confidence *having forsaken our rebellion" and the blood cleanses our conscience of the guilt of our past misdeeds that we may serve God acceptably with fear.

God is pure righteousness with no darkness at all. There is no possible way we can enter into his presence with a defiled conscience hence the need of the blood to purge our sins. We cannot purge our own sins because we are guilty and there is no way to undo what we have previously done. Yet God sent His only begotten Son to offer Himself on our behalf by which we could be redeemed from all iniquity and made pure.

It is in that that God does not consider our sins and lawless acts no more. We abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ, walking after the Spirit, by which we manifest the light of God THROUGH us for we love God with ALL our heart, soul and mind.

Also it does relate to past sins because if we go on sinning willfully after being sanctified by the blood then there is no more sacrifice. Jesus didn't die to cleanse us over and over and over again. He died to cleanse us once (of ALL unrighteousness) so that we can then serve God acceptably. The blood is not a ticket to re-offend over and over, that is blasphemy.

 

[Skinski7]

My comments in red.


Zone...

let's see if you're capable of answering a single critical question askd of you: do you claim to be without sin?

and followup question: have you confessed any sin since your saved date?

should be really straight forward:

I do not claim to be without sin. I have sinned but I repented of those sins. I am not walking in sin now.

Have I confessed sin since? Absolutely because I still fall short. I have erred setting priorities, I have erred in passing on something I thought was true only to discover later that it was erroneous due to lack of vigilance in checking sources. I have said I would do things only to realise later I neglected to do them, I have misjudged people, jumped to conclusions, even on these forums for I have briefly read a response and made a faulty conclusion due to not taking the time to think it through. These are things I have had to confess to God and other people.

What I do claim though is to not indulge in the lusts of the flesh in willful disobedience to God. That stuff had to stop because it was selfish and wrong. There is no possible way I can engage in those sorts of things and be loving God and my neighbour for they are opposites. 1Cor 1:8 is a verse which is addressing what must happen for one to be cleansed of all unirghteousness (verse 9). One is not cleansed and then left dirty. This is why a genuine repentance experience is so key.

 

[zone]

Also it does relate to past sins because if we go on sinning willfully after being sanctified by the blood then there is no more sacrifice. Jesus didn't die to cleanse us over and over and over again. He died to cleanse us once (of ALL unrighteousness) so that we can then serve God acceptably. The blood is not a ticket to re-offend over and over, that is blasphemy.

right.
i guess i should get saved again. or i guess i was never saved, because i did sin.
so what now?

i sinned after i thought i was saved "after being sanctified by the blood then there is no more sacrifice."

what do i do now?
am i condemned?

help me out please.

should i try? or is it too late Scott?

 

[zone]

I do not claim to be without sin. I have sinned but I repented of those sins. I am not walking in sin now.

Have I confessed sin since? Absolutely because I still fall short. I have erred setting priorities, I have erred in passing on something I thought was true only to discover later that it was erroneous due to lack of vigilance in checking sources. I have said I would do things only to realise later I neglected to do them, I have misjudged people, jumped to conclusions, even on these forums for I have briefly read a response and made a faulty conclusion due to not taking the time to think it through. These are things I have had to confess to God and other people.

What I do claim though is to not indulge in the lusts of the flesh in willful disobedience to God. That stuff had to stop because it was selfish and wrong. There is no possible way I can engage in those sorts of things and be loving God and my neighbour for they are opposites. 1Cor 1:8 is a verse which is addressing what must happen for one to be cleansed of all unirghteousness (verse 9). One is not cleansed and then left dirty. This is why a genuine repentance experience is so key.

wait.
Scott.
okay....i have to sign off because this is so confusing.
you said all sin ceases.
now you said you do sin and confess.

i can't handle this.
i gotta go

 

[mark54]

We enter into the Holy of Holies by the blood of Christ and approach God with confidence *having forsaken our rebellion" and the blood cleanses our conscience of the guilt of our past misdeeds that we may serve God acceptably with fear.

God is pure righteousness with no darkness at all. There is no possible way we can enter into his presence with a defiled conscience hence the need of the blood to purge our sins. We cannot purge our own sins because we are guilty and there is no way to undo what we have previously done. Yet God sent His only begotten Son to offer Himself on our behalf by which we could be redeemed from all iniquity and made pure.

It is in that that God does not consider our sins and lawless acts no more. We abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ, walking after the Spirit, by which we manifest the light of God THROUGH us for we love God with ALL our heart, soul and mind.

Also it does relate to past sins because if we go on sinning willfully after being sanctified by the blood then there is no more sacrifice. Jesus didn't die to cleanse us over and over and over again. He died to cleanse us once (of ALL unrighteousness) so that we can then serve God acceptably. The blood is not a ticket to re-offend over and over, that is blasphemy.

You don't understand Skinsky, that passage relates to the High priest going into the most Holy place/a man made sanctuary for the sins of the people year after year who were already accepted by God, they were his children.
But Christ gave a once and for all eternal sacrifice, he did not have to enter Heaven again and again the way the high priest entered the most holy place for the sins of the people already accepted by God.

Therefore

Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more, and this is because the law has been written on the heart and mind of a Christian

 

[Skinski7]

right.
i guess i should get saved again. or i guess i was never saved, because i did sin.
so what now?

i sinned after i thought i was saved "after being sanctified by the blood then there is no more sacrifice."

what do i do now?
am i condemned?

help me out please.

should i try? or is it too late Scott?

Well I am not sure whether you are asking in contempt or asking a legitimate question within the context of what I have stated. I am happy to answer it though because it is a question I have heard asked quite a number of times.

First of all the Bible says this...

Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
Eze 18:25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
Eze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Clearly God does not want any to perish and offers mercy to all those who will turn to Him in repentance.

In the letters to the churches in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 we see a clear call to repentance. I would never tell anyone it is too late to repent although I do caution people to not take repentance for granted. Repentance is not something someone can turn on when they feel it is convenient to them and that attitude will most likely put someone into a situation like Esau...

Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

There are two types of sorrow. Godly sorrow and worldy sorrow. It is Godly sorrow that works a repentance unto salvation, worldly sorrow works death.

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Godly sorrow produces this...

2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

By which the rebellion ceases. The mind really does change and the iniquity really is purged from the heart. The blood can then truly sanctify that person because they are indeed walking in the light.

One of the issues today is that there are many people who believe they repented when they did not. They had a worldly sorrow and were convicted over their sin but they never experienced a godly sorrow where the rebellion was actually forsaken. Thus they came into a "notion" of salvation without ever having truly crucified the old man and thus they remained in a double-minded state.

I know from speaking with other brothers that there are many people who come across the teaching of true repentance for the first time and come to a realisation that they have been willfully sinning and thus think they have violated Heb 10:26-29.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Many of these people were never truly sanctified in the first place because they came to Christ under the "confess, trust and receive" instead of through "godly sorrow, brokenness and repentance." Hebrews 10:26 only applies to those who were actually sanctified by the blood.

Yet even those who have fallen from their steadfastness after having truly being sanctified and reconciled to God I would not cast away as having no hope. If an individual is feeling convicted then I would say the Spirit of God is at work, YIELD TO IT, SEEK GOD DILIGNETLY, LET HIM BREAK YOU.

Hebrews 10:26 says no sacrifice remains for ongoing sin because it is treating the blood with contempt. The blood of Christ cleanses one from ALL unrighteousness and is thus a complete cleansing, it is not like the blood of bulls and goats which could not purge sin. The result of being purged is a clear conscience before God and this is why the writer of Hebrews says this...

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Above is a warning about defiling one's conscience by allowing the seed of sin to nurture. A Christian must dput on the full armour of God and DILIGENTLY ass to their faith for Satan wants to destroy us and bring us back into the pig pen.

The writer of Hebrews warns about falling away...

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I would think the above warning is one of the most serious warnings in the Bible. I believe it is a reference to this...

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

It is very easy to blow off such warnings and put them far from the mind and appeal to the more comforting "promises" of Scripture but the Bible is a WHOLE and it is VERY DANGEROUS to treat it like a menu in order to tickle the ears.

So is there hope for someone who goes back to their sin?

Eze 18 says there is if they forsake their unrighteousness.

Rev 2 and 3 speak of repentance after leaving one's first love (Christ).

Just don't treat repentance as a given. God will not be mocked.

 

[Skinski7]

You don't understand Skinsky, that passage relates to the High priest going into the most Holy place/a man made sanctuary for the sins of the people year after year who were already accepted by God, they were his children.
But Christ gave a once and for all eternal sacrifice, he did not have to enter Heaven again and again the way the high priest entered the most holy place for the sins of the people already accepted by God.

Therefore

Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more, and this is because the law has been written on the heart and mind of a Christian

They were children after the flesh (National Israel). The Bible makes a clear distinction between who are the real children of God. All the children of national Israel may have been accepted as "God's children" as it pertains to the flesh but that did not guarantee them entrance into the kingdom. They too had to have an obedient faith towards God and walk in the measure of light they were given.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Remember the error of the Pharisees...

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

They sought their salvation in this...

Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

They honestly thought that because they were blood descendents of Abraham and because they kept the ritualistic letter of the law that they had it made in the shade. They had no conception of the truth.

If they were truly the children of the promise they would have done this...

oh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Instead they did this...

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Is it any different today?

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

We belong to whom we obey...

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Yet God has given those who serve Satan a wonderful gift...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is through the active dynamic of repentance and faith that one can shed off one master (access the gift) and become the servant of another. One master leads to death while the other leads to life.

Praise God.

 

[mark54]

They were children after the flesh (National Israel). The Bible makes a clear distinction between who are the real children of God. All the children of national Israel may have been accepted as "God's children" as it pertains to the flesh but that did not guarantee them entrance into the kingdom. They too had to have an obedient faith towards God and walk in the measure of light they were given.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Remember the error of the Pharisees...

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

They sought their salvation in this...

Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

They honestly thought that because they were blood descendents of Abraham and because they kept the ritualistic letter of the law that they had it made in the shade. They had no conception of the truth.

If they were truly the children of the promise they would have done this...

oh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Instead they did this...

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Is it any different today?

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

We belong to whom we obey...

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Yet God has given those who serve Satan a wonderful gift...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is through the active dynamic of repentance and faith that one can shed off one master (access the gift) and become the servant of another. One master leads to death while the other leads to life.

Praise God.

The above is not relevant to my post Skinsky

Think we better leave it there

 

[Skinski7]

wait.
Scott.
okay....i have to sign off because this is so confusing.
you said all sin ceases.
now you said you do sin and confess.

i can't handle this.
i gotta go

Rebellion ceases.

This ceases...

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, porn watching, getting drunk etc. are sins of the flesh. That stuff MUST cease. That stuff is rooted in iniquity, ie. selfishness.

It is very different to misjudging something or prioritising wrong. I have been late for a work appointment that was scheduled due to trying to finish an article and pushing time to the edge. This was wrong of me because I am responsible to be to my appointments on time for it reflects poorly on the company and my professionalism. Therefore I have had to realise it was wrong and confess that and change my conduct. Yet that kind of sin was not rooted in iniquity, I had my priorities wrong.

If I were to go and look at porn or get drunk that is a completely different matter because that is willful wrongdoing whereby I would be clearly violating what I knew to be right.

One can only rebel against God by suppressing the light God has given all men. Thus the actual sin in and of itself is not really the issue (hence sin is not imputed without law). The issue is the rebellion, the suppression of the light, the rejection of the Creator.

Jesus said this...

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The rejection of light is what condemns someone, not making a genuine mistake. This is why there must be a clear distinction between sins that lead to death and sins that do not lead to death.

God condemns this...

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

All human beings have been given a measure of light by God. When a child's reasoning capacity develops sufficiently there comes a time when they CHOOSE to suppress that light in order to yield to unrighteousness. It is that action which condemns someone. We are responsible for our own rebellion, not Adam and not Satan. Adam gave us a bad example and brought on the curse while Satan works in the spiritual realm and in the minds of men to deceive humanity.

When an individual sins they bring condemnation on their heads. I do not profess to know when this happens (ie. the age of accountability) I just know it happens. When a person sins once it is easier to sin the next time and over a period of time a natural disposition to sin is wrought in the body and mind (with the spirit being dead to God). Hence the adage of sin begets more sin (not sure if that is actually written in the Bible or not but it rings true to me).

The opposite of that is this...

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Righteousness begets more righteousness. Hence a Christian puts on the mind of Christ and yields to the Spirit and they...


GROW GROW GROW

Obedience unto righteousness unto holiness then end of which is everlasting life.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

GROW GROW GROW

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Which is the opposite of sin in thought, word and deed everyday ala the twisting of 1Joh 1:8.

We don't sin less, we grow more. Those born of God do not sin (not the sins unto death).


Who does Jesus reject???

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, GROW GROW GROW I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not [REBELLION], shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Hence...

Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Rom 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness [One cannot yield to sin and expect to enter the kingdom], indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

 

[Professor]

Posted by Skinski:
"Also it does relate to past sins because if we go on sinning willfully after being sanctified by the blood then there is no more sacrifice. Jesus didn't die to cleanse us over and over and over again. He died to cleanse us once (of ALL unrighteousness) so that we can then serve God acceptably. The blood is not a ticket to re-offend over and over, that is blasphemy."

Skinski,
Jesus teaches us how to pray:
"...And forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who have sinned against us."
Look at how Jesus teaches us to pray.