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Re: Wake up...
But you weren't conceived by the Holy Ghost in your mother's womb like Jesus was. So God is Jesus' father in a very unique way that sets him apart from you, and me. Are you suggesting that you are the equal of Jesus?
Your comments only serve to change the subject, not address it. Do you believe in the virgin birth? That Jesus was conceived by God?
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
But you weren't conceived by the Holy Ghost in your mother's womb like Jesus was. So God is Jesus' father in a very unique way that sets him apart from you, and me. Are you suggesting that you are the equal of Jesus?
Your comments only serve to change the subject, not address it. Do you believe in the virgin birth? That Jesus was conceived by God?
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
Re: Wake up...
Which is why the Son is not God. . .
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father.
known - ginosko - 1) to learn, to know, come to know, get a knowledge of, perceive, feel a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of a) to understand b) to know 3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman, 4) to be come acquainted with, to know
seen - horao - 1) to see with the eyes, 2) to see with the mind, to perceive, know 3)*to see, i.e. become acquainted with by experience, to experience 4) to see, to look to a) to take heed, beware b) to care for, pay heed to 5) I was seen, showed myself, appeared
To see Jesus was to see the Father, i.e. to know Jesus was to know the Father. . .the works that he did was by the power and authority given to him from God his Father, the words that he spoke were not his words but what was told him by God his Father - therefore if you knew Jesus you would know the Father. . . .
Looks like God committed, i.e. gave all judgment to the Son.
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment to the Son. . . .
Okay
Which is why the Son is not God. . .
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father.
known - ginosko - 1) to learn, to know, come to know, get a knowledge of, perceive, feel a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of a) to understand b) to know 3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman, 4) to be come acquainted with, to know
seen - horao - 1) to see with the eyes, 2) to see with the mind, to perceive, know 3)*to see, i.e. become acquainted with by experience, to experience 4) to see, to look to a) to take heed, beware b) to care for, pay heed to 5) I was seen, showed myself, appeared
To see Jesus was to see the Father, i.e. to know Jesus was to know the Father. . .the works that he did was by the power and authority given to him from God his Father, the words that he spoke were not his words but what was told him by God his Father - therefore if you knew Jesus you would know the Father. . . .
Looks like God committed, i.e. gave all judgment to the Son.
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment to the Son. . . .
Okay
It does? I think that it sorta went hand in hand, especially between the time of the OT and the NT. There was a long period of time between the OT and NT when these legends and myths concerning other "gods" was very much the culture.
"Archaeological findings provide a principal source of detail about Greek mythology, with gods and heroes featured prominently in the decoration of many artifacts. Geometric designs on pottery of the eighth century BC depict scenes from the Trojan cycle as well as the adventures of Heracles. . .[Sources] Greek mythology is known today primarily from Greek literature and representations on visural media dating from the Geometric period c. 900-800 BC onward. In fact, literary and archaeological sources intergrade, sometimes mutually supportive and sometimes in conflict; however, in many cases, the existence of this corpus of data is a strong indication that many elements of Greek mythology have strong factual and historical roots. . .[Literary sources] Mythical narration plays an important role in nearly every genre of Greek literature. Nevertheless, the only general mythographical handbook to survive from Greek antiquity was the Library of Pseudo-Apollodorus. This work attempts to reconcile the contradictory tales of the poets and provides a grand summary of traditional Greek mythology and heroic legends. Apollodorus of Athens lived from c. 180 - 120 BC and wrote on many of these topics". Source Greek Mythology - Wikipedia
Nope, no JW. . . .
"Archaeological findings provide a principal source of detail about Greek mythology, with gods and heroes featured prominently in the decoration of many artifacts. Geometric designs on pottery of the eighth century BC depict scenes from the Trojan cycle as well as the adventures of Heracles. . .[Sources] Greek mythology is known today primarily from Greek literature and representations on visural media dating from the Geometric period c. 900-800 BC onward. In fact, literary and archaeological sources intergrade, sometimes mutually supportive and sometimes in conflict; however, in many cases, the existence of this corpus of data is a strong indication that many elements of Greek mythology have strong factual and historical roots. . .[Literary sources] Mythical narration plays an important role in nearly every genre of Greek literature. Nevertheless, the only general mythographical handbook to survive from Greek antiquity was the Library of Pseudo-Apollodorus. This work attempts to reconcile the contradictory tales of the poets and provides a grand summary of traditional Greek mythology and heroic legends. Apollodorus of Athens lived from c. 180 - 120 BC and wrote on many of these topics". Source Greek Mythology - Wikipedia
Nope, no JW. . . .
Re: Wake up...
Jesus is God on the merits of established Greek grammar, all by itself. We have already been over this.
Even God the Spirit manifested as a dove at Jesus' baptism, while God the Father called from Heaven, and God the Son was baptized.
God the Father has never manifested in flesh.
God the Son has...
God the Spirit has...
And people saw...and people lived to tell about it...
The Son is NOT the Father.
However, each is the ONE God.
There are verses which state both.
Again...ONLY God has the power to judge humanity...thus, this makes the Son, God.
Further, you don't know your scriptures very well, as the Trinity judges mankind.
Study up...!
Jesus is God on the merits of established Greek grammar, all by itself. We have already been over this.
Even God the Spirit manifested as a dove at Jesus' baptism, while God the Father called from Heaven, and God the Son was baptized.
God the Father has never manifested in flesh.
God the Son has...
God the Spirit has...
And people saw...and people lived to tell about it...
The Son is NOT the Father.
However, each is the ONE God.
There are verses which state both.
Again...ONLY God has the power to judge humanity...thus, this makes the Son, God.
Further, you don't know your scriptures very well, as the Trinity judges mankind.
Study up...!
Re: Run from it...
This is where we could fall out. If I understand you correctly.
I do not believe in three God's with Jesus being ONE God, the Father being another God and the Holy Spirit being another God.
I believe in ONE Almighty omnipresent God who is Body (Jesus), Soul and Spirit like us who He created in HIS image.
This is where we could fall out. If I understand you correctly.
I do not believe in three God's with Jesus being ONE God, the Father being another God and the Holy Spirit being another God.
I believe in ONE Almighty omnipresent God who is Body (Jesus), Soul and Spirit like us who He created in HIS image.
@ Mark!
Jesus said "The person that has seen me has seen the Father too."
"ONE God, three in ONE"
John 14:8-11
"Philip said to Jesus, "Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need."
Jesus answered, "Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. The person that has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you truly believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don't come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done."
Jesus said "The person that has seen me has seen the Father too."
"ONE God, three in ONE"
John 14:8-11
"Philip said to Jesus, "Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need."
Jesus answered, "Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. The person that has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you truly believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don't come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done."
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Re: Wake up...
Of course God is Jesus Father in a unique way. Christ is the only begotten son of God
Am I suggesting I am equal to Jesus. What on earth made you ask that? Because I wrote a scriptural truth?
Christ is the only begotten son of God, he died for our sins and reigns now in Heaven and on earth for the father has put everything under his feet
Of course I believe in the virgin birth. The Spirit came upon/overshadowed Mary, and she became pregnant.
Actually I think my comments addressed the subject.
As I have answered your questions will you answer two of mine?
Who is the God of the one true omnipotent God?
Who is the God that the one true omnipotent God must refer to as 'My God'?
Also
Why did neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John plainly and clearly state that a person must believe Christ is God Himself, unto salvation?
Did the Apostles not have the spiritual insight you and others do today?
Or did they fail woefully in their Christian duty by not informing people very plainly as to the belief required as to who Christ is to inherit eternal life?
Of course God is Jesus Father in a unique way. Christ is the only begotten son of God
Am I suggesting I am equal to Jesus. What on earth made you ask that? Because I wrote a scriptural truth?
Christ is the only begotten son of God, he died for our sins and reigns now in Heaven and on earth for the father has put everything under his feet
Of course I believe in the virgin birth. The Spirit came upon/overshadowed Mary, and she became pregnant.
Actually I think my comments addressed the subject.
As I have answered your questions will you answer two of mine?
Who is the God of the one true omnipotent God?
Who is the God that the one true omnipotent God must refer to as 'My God'?
Also
Why did neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John plainly and clearly state that a person must believe Christ is God Himself, unto salvation?
Did the Apostles not have the spiritual insight you and others do today?
Or did they fail woefully in their Christian duty by not informing people very plainly as to the belief required as to who Christ is to inherit eternal life?
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PS
After what you wrote yesterday I am no longer prepared to discuss this subject with you. Though as I said, you are not the only one to have the view you publically admitted to having, but you are the only one who has actually admitted to having it. So in reality you are no worse than others. But there are lines for me in the sand, and this is one of them. To state what you did, to me, is nothing less than blasphemous.
If you want to respond to this and query it, I will simply produce the posts
After what you wrote yesterday I am no longer prepared to discuss this subject with you. Though as I said, you are not the only one to have the view you publically admitted to having, but you are the only one who has actually admitted to having it. So in reality you are no worse than others. But there are lines for me in the sand, and this is one of them. To state what you did, to me, is nothing less than blasphemous.
If you want to respond to this and query it, I will simply produce the posts
So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing.
BTW
When did I deny Christ had divinity?
Arius believed in the divinity of Christ, do you believe he was saved/a Christian?
If you don't I guess the word divinity is not as important to you as you make out
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing.
BTW
When did I deny Christ had divinity?
Arius believed in the divinity of Christ, do you believe he was saved/a Christian?
If you don't I guess the word divinity is not as important to you as you make out
So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing.
I would like you to tell me by what authority you can state a person is a heretic, damned and will go to hell for standing on ther plain words of Christ when he walked this earth?
And Christ spoke the word of God for the Spirit was on him without limit.
Like I say, you're not the only one who believes it. A few others will in their hearts condemn people for standing on the plain words of Christ unto salvation
Why do you all do this, MAN MADE THEOLOGY/EXTRAPOLATIONS OF THE LITTLE GREY CELLS
You think you know, you are wise through reading vastly of theologians and scholars. You understand the truth through your hard work, effort to learn of those considered wise and learned, but the end result shows your folly, youcondemn people for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
For your true god is the intellectual mind of man, for the Holy Spirit WOULD NEVER lead anyone to say such a thing as you have written in the post I have copied of yours, it is a struggle for me to not use stronger language concerning it
The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
1Cor3:21
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing.
I would like you to tell me by what authority you can state a person is a heretic, damned and will go to hell for standing on ther plain words of Christ when he walked this earth?
And Christ spoke the word of God for the Spirit was on him without limit.
Like I say, you're not the only one who believes it. A few others will in their hearts condemn people for standing on the plain words of Christ unto salvation
Why do you all do this, MAN MADE THEOLOGY/EXTRAPOLATIONS OF THE LITTLE GREY CELLS
You think you know, you are wise through reading vastly of theologians and scholars. You understand the truth through your hard work, effort to learn of those considered wise and learned, but the end result shows your folly, youcondemn people for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
For your true god is the intellectual mind of man, for the Holy Spirit WOULD NEVER lead anyone to say such a thing as you have written in the post I have copied of yours, it is a struggle for me to not use stronger language concerning it
The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
1Cor3:21
You are not responding to scripture Mark. Will you please respond to the following two verses please.
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
Thank you.
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
Thank you.
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So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing.
I would like you to tell me by what authority you can state a person is a heretic, damned and will go to hell for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth?
And Christ spoke the word of God for the Spirit was on him without limit.
Like I say, you're not the only one who believes it. A few others will in their hearts condemn people for standing on the plain words of Christ unto salvation
Why do you all do this, MAN MADE THEOLOGY/EXTRAPOLATIONS OF THE LITTLE GREY CELLS
You think you know, you are wise through reading vastly of theologians and scholars. You understand the truth through your hard work, effort to learn of those considered wise and learned, but the end result shows your folly, youcondemn people for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
For your true god is the intellectual mind of man, for the Holy Spirit WOULD NEVER lead anyone to say such a thing as you have written in the post I have copied of yours, it is a struggle for me to not use stronger language concerning it
The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
1Cor3:21
And as you very well know I have responded to your scriptures many times in the past, so you are not being honest either
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing.
I would like you to tell me by what authority you can state a person is a heretic, damned and will go to hell for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth?
And Christ spoke the word of God for the Spirit was on him without limit.
Like I say, you're not the only one who believes it. A few others will in their hearts condemn people for standing on the plain words of Christ unto salvation
Why do you all do this, MAN MADE THEOLOGY/EXTRAPOLATIONS OF THE LITTLE GREY CELLS
You think you know, you are wise through reading vastly of theologians and scholars. You understand the truth through your hard work, effort to learn of those considered wise and learned, but the end result shows your folly, youcondemn people for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
For your true god is the intellectual mind of man, for the Holy Spirit WOULD NEVER lead anyone to say such a thing as you have written in the post I have copied of yours, it is a struggle for me to not use stronger language concerning it
The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
1Cor3:21
And as you very well know I have responded to your scriptures many times in the past, so you are not being honest either
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You are showing yourself up Mark. These are the scriptures you choose to disregard. Will you accept that now in the light of these verses that scripture tells us that Jesus is not only God on earth but also the creator. Thank you.
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10
"For in Jesus dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." 1 Timothy 3:16
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" Hebrews 1:8, 10