The Trinity

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If a person could be led of the Holy Spirit and refuse to accept the requirement of belief unto salvation that Christ himself laid down as to who a person must believe him to be by adding to it, then the Spirit of God must contradict the word of God, therefore in Trniitarian belief(and your belief) God contradicts God and the belief collapses

If you cannot even answer my one question forthrightly, please do not ask me any questions. Debate is a two way thing, not where one party refuses to answer any question put to them
And that is your answer to a simple question....

Do you believe Jesus when he said "before Abraham was born, I am”?
 
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And that is your answer to a simple question....

Do you believe Jesus when he said "before Abraham was born, I am”?
I spent time answering the questions you put to me. I asked you to respond by answering ONE question forthrighhtly, you have completely ignored it(as usual) and refused to answer it,


If you cannot respond to even one question put to you PS, please do not expect me to continually respond to yours
 
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Here it is again,

You believe if a person does not accept Christ is God Himself thery are a heretic and condemned.

As I assume you believe it is a ministers absolute responsibility to preach plainly from the pulpit what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is for a person to inherit eternal life and the consequencews of getting it wrong
Do you condemn as unfit to be a minister, any preacher who will not plainly state from the pulpit, that if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God but not God Himself they cannot be saved with that belief, are a heretic, condemned, and will therefore go hell with that belief

 
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Here it is again,

You believe if a person does not accept Christ is God Himself thery are a heretic and condemned.

As I assume you believe it is a ministers absolute responsibility to preach plainly from the pulpit what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is for a person to inherit eternal life and the consequencews of getting it wrong
Do you condemn as unfit to be a minister, any preacher who will not plainly state from the pulpit, that if a person believes Jesus is the Son of God but not God Himself they cannot be saved with that belief, are a heretic, condemned, and will therefore go hell with that belief

It isn't a ministers job to preach the errors of heretics, they preach the Gospel according to Jesus. You prefer to follow Arius instead of Jesus. He was deemed a heretic by the Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea of 325.

And with that I'm out.
 
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It isn't a ministers job to preach the errors of heretics, they preach the Gospel according to Jesus. You prefer to follow Arius instead of Jesus. He was deemed a heretic by the Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea of 325.

And with that I'm out.
So it is not a ministers responsibility to plainly preach salvational belief from the pulpit in respect of who a person must believe Christ to be for a person to inherit eternal life and the consequences of getting it wrong?

Really
But it is yours and others responsibility WHO ARE NOT MINISTERS to preach it on the internet I take it, and to tell people they are condemned and heretics ifr they do not accept your extra biblical demands unto salvation

I'll suM it up in one word

PRIDE/THE EGO(OK two words)
 
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This is where we could fall out. If I understand you correctly.

I do not believe in three God's with Jesus being ONE God, the Father being another God and the Holy Spirit being another God.
The Trinity is ONE God....thus, we would agree there...



I believe in ONE Almighty omnipresent God who is Body (Jesus), Soul and Spirit like us who He created in HIS image.
Only Adam & Eve were created in God's image and likeness.

If you read Gen 5, we are begotten in the image and likeness of fallen man.

 
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2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 

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The Trinity is ONE God....thus, we would agree there...

Only Adam & Eve were created in God's image and likeness.

If you read Gen 5, we are begotten in the image and likeness of fallen man.

Fallen man yes, but still body, soul and spirit i.e. tripartite man.
 
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Matthew 15:12-14 [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? [SUP]13 [/SUP]But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

When Jesus said this, he never implied that the blind leading the blind would be in agreement.......... just leading each other into the ditch.
 

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Matthew 15:12-14 [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? [SUP]13 [/SUP]But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

When Jesus said this, he never implied that the blind leading the blind would be in agreement.......... just leading each other into the ditch.
This is why it is so important to follow the teaching of Jesus which is where the later term "Christian" came from. (As you will know.)
 
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Fallen man yes, but still body, soul and spirit i.e. tripartite man.
The same exact terms 'image' and 'likeness' are used for the begotten image of mankind through Adam - which informs the reader that we are not in the original 'likeness' and 'image' of our Creator.

 
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This is why it is so important to follow the teaching of Jesus which is where the later term "Christian" came from. (As you will know.)
For God so loved the world that he Gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life
John 3:16

If anyone believes Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God
1John4:15

Do not go beyond what is written.
1Cor4:6
 

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For God so loved the world that he Gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life
John 3:16

If anyone believes Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God
1John4:15

Do not go beyond what is written.
1Cor4:6
You still haven't learnt that Jesus said "Before Adam I AM"
 

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The same exact terms 'image' and 'likeness' are used for the begotten image of mankind through Adam - which informs the reader that we are not in the original 'likeness' and 'image' of our Creator.

This is why I believe in one God with three persona. Look it up, image and persona are similar.
 
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You still haven't learnt that Jesus said "Before Adam I AM"
I shouldn't say this, but you are so typical PS of some(and I only say some) in your denomination.

You cannot give me even one verse of scripture that states a person must believe Christ is God himself unto salvation, not one
Neither Christ, Peter, James, John, or Paul demanded such a belief, neither would nearly all of the Trinitarian mnisters from their pulpits, nor would well over 90% of churchgoers in Trinitarian churches
But people wise in their own eyes will

It is all theological head knowledge junk, no more,. led by the ego and pride of a few who come onto the internet flushed with what they think they know, and thus proving how little of importance they really know
 
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And below is where some end up who make a god out of theological head knowledge:



So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)



Yes
because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.

He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.

A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
 

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I shouldn't say this, but you are so typical PS of some(and I only say some) in your denomination.

You cannot give me even one verse of scripture thasrt states a person must believe Christ is God himself unto salvation, not one
Neither Christ, Peter, Jamnes, John, or Paul demanded such a belief, neither would nearly all of the Trinitarian mniisters f4rom their pulpits, nor would well over 90% of churchgoers in Trinitarian churches
But people wise in their own eyes will

It is all theological head knowledge junk, no more,. led by the ego and priode of a vfew who come onto bthe internet flushed with what they think they know, and thus proving how little of importance they really know
If you want to believe in a fake Jesus good luck to you but remember Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." John 14:6

Also remember the Father only became "Father" after the physical birth of Jesus.

Also remember going back to the foundation of the earth Jesus was the WORD and "THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US." Jesus existed from the foundation of the earth and Jesus is only his earthly name.

So who was Jesus before he was made flesh and dwelt among us?
 
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If you want to believe in a fake Jesus good luck to you but remember Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." John 14:6

Also remember the Father only became "Father" after the physical birth of Jesus.

Also remember going back to the foundation of the earth Jesus was the WORD and "THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US." Jesus existed from the foundation of the earth and Jesus is only his earthly name.

So who was Jesus before he was made flesh and dwelt among us?
I don't want your theological head knowledge, i WANT ONE PLAIN VERSE OF SCRIPTURE WHERE EITHER CHRIST, PAUL, PETER, JAMES OR JOHN PLAINLY STATED A PERSON MUST BELIEVE CHRIST IS THE ONE TRUE GOD UNTO SALVATION