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Great, redtemple, and, LOL, ohzone's ceaslessly never cessating from mocking those preaching Christ different than her beliefs, and,vtribers, well, tribers, he's 'pre-destined for heaven and Jesus is His way . * maniacal laughter here (holy drunk laughter? )
Oh, pleae, zoneoh, go mock someone who isn't believing in same Jesus Christ Saviiur as you. Ridiculius to condemnate others, yet, you do, you do, you do, and, continue to think it's hysterical (hilarious) to mock preachers of Christ and thibk God does nor frown on that false treatment of them.
Joel Osteen is A DEMONIC ANTI-CHRIST who is allowing 16,000+ each Sunday to be led away from Jesus by His bright, power in His voice (and raised holy hands). Yeah, right. Just give it a rest zoners, like AOK said, a few pages back, do you really need to go after a guy preaching the same gospel Paul preached and help Satan to spread lies that he so wants to do on a man saving THOUSANDS weekly.
But, oh, I know, I know, your doctrine says tgeir being saved in their sins or just, just, that%s not what the bible teaches, Osteen is unbiblical !
Sigh, what a delicious crock you insinuate and propandize others to believe. Judge, judge, judge ....you.
Horrible, ohzone, why don't you get that???
Oh, pleae, zoneoh, go mock someone who isn't believing in same Jesus Christ Saviiur as you. Ridiculius to condemnate others, yet, you do, you do, you do, and, continue to think it's hysterical (hilarious) to mock preachers of Christ and thibk God does nor frown on that false treatment of them.
Joel Osteen is A DEMONIC ANTI-CHRIST who is allowing 16,000+ each Sunday to be led away from Jesus by His bright, power in His voice (and raised holy hands). Yeah, right. Just give it a rest zoners, like AOK said, a few pages back, do you really need to go after a guy preaching the same gospel Paul preached and help Satan to spread lies that he so wants to do on a man saving THOUSANDS weekly.
But, oh, I know, I know, your doctrine says tgeir being saved in their sins or just, just, that%s not what the bible teaches, Osteen is unbiblical !
Sigh, what a delicious crock you insinuate and propandize others to believe. Judge, judge, judge ....you.
Horrible, ohzone, why don't you get that??? 
Matthew 15:12-14 [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? [SUP]13 [/SUP]But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
When Jesus said this, he never implied that the blind leading the blind would be in agreement.......... just leading each other into the ditch.
When Jesus said this, he never implied that the blind leading the blind would be in agreement.......... just leading each other into the ditch.
Great, redtemple, and, LOL, ohzone's ceaslessly never cessating from mocking those preaching Christ different than her beliefs, and,vtribers, well, tribers, he's 'pre-destined for heaven and Jesus is His way . * maniacal laughter here (holy drunk laughter? )
Oh, pleae, zoneoh, go mock someone who isn't believing in same Jesus Christ Saviiur as you. Ridiculius to condemnate others, yet, you do, you do, you do, and, continue to think it's hysterical (hilarious) to mock preachers of Christ and thibk God does nor frown on that false treatment of them.
Joel Osteen is A DEMONIC ANTI-CHRIST who is allowing 16,000+ each Sunday to be led away from Jesus by His bright, power in His voice (and raised holy hands). Yeah, right. Just give it a rest zoners, like AOK said, a few pages back, do you really need to go after a guy preaching the same gospel Paul preached and help Satan to spread lies that he so wants to do on a man saving THOUSANDS weekly.
But, oh, I know, I know, your doctrine says tgeir being saved in their sins or just, just, that%s not what the bible teaches, Osteen is unbiblical !
Sigh, what a delicious crock you insinuate and propandize others to believe. Judge, judge, judge ....you.
Horrible, ohzone, why don't you get that???
Oh, pleae, zoneoh, go mock someone who isn't believing in same Jesus Christ Saviiur as you. Ridiculius to condemnate others, yet, you do, you do, you do, and, continue to think it's hysterical (hilarious) to mock preachers of Christ and thibk God does nor frown on that false treatment of them.
Joel Osteen is A DEMONIC ANTI-CHRIST who is allowing 16,000+ each Sunday to be led away from Jesus by His bright, power in His voice (and raised holy hands). Yeah, right. Just give it a rest zoners, like AOK said, a few pages back, do you really need to go after a guy preaching the same gospel Paul preached and help Satan to spread lies that he so wants to do on a man saving THOUSANDS weekly.
But, oh, I know, I know, your doctrine says tgeir being saved in their sins or just, just, that%s not what the bible teaches, Osteen is unbiblical !
Sigh, what a delicious crock you insinuate and propandize others to believe. Judge, judge, judge ....you.
Horrible, ohzone, why don't you get that???
did i call him a demonic antichrist?
he most certainly does not preach the same message Paul preached.
and i don't believe the Word-Faith Movement is Christian - but i'm entitled to my beliefs. i could be wrong
i don't need your approval green.
nor you mine.
of course, you're entitled to like; approve of; promote and believe people like Patricia King (whom i did post on)...or any of the others.
you're 100% free to approve of any televangelists or anyone else you wish.
that's all yours
you have a pure free will to decide, and you are led by the Spirit. so don't dismay at what i post or believe.
i'm fully aware i'm in a minority.
i don't have any problem with that, at all.
quite happy where i'm at.
don't judge me, green....under any circumstances.
be true to your convictions.
zone.
but you posted of late you planned to make the innumerable rabbinic opinions and interpretations in Talmud part of your life.
didn't you?
you said they were men who loved God and adding their work to your understanding would help you and add to your knowledge of God.
so this post doesn't make sense. to me at least.
perhaps i'm wrong.
didn't you?
you said they were men who loved God and adding their work to your understanding would help you and add to your knowledge of God.
so this post doesn't make sense. to me at least.
perhaps i'm wrong.
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Woe to you when all men speak well of you,for their fathers used to treat the false prophets in the same way. Luke 6:26
Oprah Winfrey is a new ager she hates biblical christianity she said she turned away from the God of the bible because He said He was a jealous God.
But she loves Joel Osteen and his message
Oprah Winfrey is a new ager she hates biblical christianity she said she turned away from the God of the bible because He said He was a jealous God.
But she loves Joel Osteen and his message
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And , Joel Osteen preaches this message of salvation, but without th e 'fire and brimstone,' so many infuse (hap-hazardly?) into the message.
Again, there is nothing in this thread and videos that has any hope of tying Osteen's preaching of the gospel of Christ to some weird, flippant, autocratic message .
ohzone, too, you mistake for judging YOU for judging what you say and do. I am not judging you, I do not doubt AT ALL that your salvation is 100% secure in Jesus Christ
Again, there is nothing in this thread and videos that has any hope of tying Osteen's preaching of the gospel of Christ to some weird, flippant, autocratic message .
ohzone, too, you mistake for judging YOU for judging what you say and do. I am not judging you, I do not doubt AT ALL that your salvation is 100% secure in Jesus Christ
ohzone, too, you mistake for judging YOU for judging what you say and do. I am not judging you, I do not doubt AT ALL that your salvation is 100% secure in Jesus Christ
can i judge these prophets and so-on based on what they say and do then?
is it okay to do that?
and i don't have to affirm anybody is 100% secure in Christ before i examine what they're saying green.
And , Joel Osteen preaches this message of salvation, but without th e 'fire and brimstone,' so many infuse (hap-hazardly?) into the message.
Again, there is nothing in this thread and videos that has any hope of tying Osteen's preaching of the gospel of Christ to some weird, flippant, autocratic message .
ohzone, too, you mistake for judging YOU for judging what you say and do. I am not judging you, I do not doubt AT ALL that your salvation is 100% secure in Jesus Christ
Again, there is nothing in this thread and videos that has any hope of tying Osteen's preaching of the gospel of Christ to some weird, flippant, autocratic message .
ohzone, too, you mistake for judging YOU for judging what you say and do. I am not judging you, I do not doubt AT ALL that your salvation is 100% secure in Jesus Christ
Joel Osteen never reproves or rebukes, and even when he exhorts, he quotes his own sayings and sayings of others more than he does Scripture. Neither is he a teacher. All of these are required to be a good preacher. He himself has been quoted to say he is not a preacher. That's the one statement he said that I believe. As a matter fact, he thinks of himself as a motivational speaker. There are many of those in the world. And that's where they belong. In the world.
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Who reproves us, Stephenbelievin?
God or Joel ?
Who corrects us? God or Joel.
And, it's His Spirit who comforts us through the correftion.
So many like to think God is a'background' guy from verses like 'there is one mediatior between God and man, who is Jesus Christ.'
This is true, Jesus is the propitiation for ALL mankind's sins, the seperator, if you will, but His Father is God and, no, I am not preaching sepertism of God and Jesus different entities. No. They are One . They are Deity , Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
We use all three's work to understand all's work, so He can be all and all.
But, why, just because Joel does not preach fire and brimstone but instead preaches the love of Christ make Joel a 'heretic,' it is not a false gospel taught, it is the 'gospel' taught, the gospel of Christ.
God WILL convict those sitting in Joel's church, and, Joel knows that, he does not deny that, does He?
He denies bringing a gospel that is negative, but , the very ACT of coming to Jesus is negative for so many. Again, the message of Christ, dropping everything and folowing Him is hard for us all and I've read your testimony Stephen and why you became compliant to His leading. Awesome stuff !!!
But, everyone is diferent and Joel is being shrewd as a serpent yet gentle as a dove, and, Joel doesn't always get it right, he could be bolder in his teaching, which Joel does not say, but, who ya kidding, teaching is preaching, it's prophesying--exhorting others to.follow Him, edifying others, giving revelation even to others as He leads, per 1 Cor. 14 .
This is Joel's call, it's a call of His , from God the Father, God the Son and, God, the Holy Spirit . Just unique to Him?
In some sense, yrs, unique, as Joel's work is no better than anyone else's and Joel is humble as 'they' come, but, yes, teaching the positive message of the gospel of Christ every week is quite a calling to do to 16,000 listening ears, not to mention worldwide, not to mention bookwriting callings.
I pray God uses me every day how He wants and that I reward others just like Joel. I error , I know, in my trying but I try and my 'thorns' in my flesh are His to humble me and I know beyond a doubt as I follow Him in me leading I have sufficient grace for all the things I do that require His mercy given, which, good news, is draped in love and His mercy for ME is "new every morning."
I am fallen, wretched , sinful man, but I am flesh that is crucified with Christ.
So, is Joel ?
Note to ohzone: The Lord leads. You follow Him; if you feel rightness (with Him) to support a thread saying joel is a false teacher, then, that is, obviously between you and God, ...'you follow Me.' John 21:22
God or Joel ?
Who corrects us? God or Joel.
And, it's His Spirit who comforts us through the correftion.
So many like to think God is a'background' guy from verses like 'there is one mediatior between God and man, who is Jesus Christ.'
This is true, Jesus is the propitiation for ALL mankind's sins, the seperator, if you will, but His Father is God and, no, I am not preaching sepertism of God and Jesus different entities. No. They are One . They are Deity , Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
We use all three's work to understand all's work, so He can be all and all.
But, why, just because Joel does not preach fire and brimstone but instead preaches the love of Christ make Joel a 'heretic,' it is not a false gospel taught, it is the 'gospel' taught, the gospel of Christ.
God WILL convict those sitting in Joel's church, and, Joel knows that, he does not deny that, does He?
He denies bringing a gospel that is negative, but , the very ACT of coming to Jesus is negative for so many. Again, the message of Christ, dropping everything and folowing Him is hard for us all and I've read your testimony Stephen and why you became compliant to His leading. Awesome stuff !!!
But, everyone is diferent and Joel is being shrewd as a serpent yet gentle as a dove, and, Joel doesn't always get it right, he could be bolder in his teaching, which Joel does not say, but, who ya kidding, teaching is preaching, it's prophesying--exhorting others to.follow Him, edifying others, giving revelation even to others as He leads, per 1 Cor. 14 .
This is Joel's call, it's a call of His , from God the Father, God the Son and, God, the Holy Spirit . Just unique to Him?
In some sense, yrs, unique, as Joel's work is no better than anyone else's and Joel is humble as 'they' come, but, yes, teaching the positive message of the gospel of Christ every week is quite a calling to do to 16,000 listening ears, not to mention worldwide, not to mention bookwriting callings.
I pray God uses me every day how He wants and that I reward others just like Joel. I error , I know, in my trying but I try and my 'thorns' in my flesh are His to humble me and I know beyond a doubt as I follow Him in me leading I have sufficient grace for all the things I do that require His mercy given, which, good news, is draped in love and His mercy for ME is "new every morning."
I am fallen, wretched , sinful man, but I am flesh that is crucified with Christ.
So, is Joel ?
Note to ohzone: The Lord leads. You follow Him; if you feel rightness (with Him) to support a thread saying joel is a false teacher, then, that is, obviously between you and God, ...'you follow Me.' John 21:22
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