The Trinity

[JLHillsSr]

Do we take it then, that Paul did not have any understanding of this subject?

Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy to be destroyed is death. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For he “has put everything under his feet.”[SUP][c][/SUP] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

1Cor15:24-28

This does not change the fact that we must be lead to the Father by Christ.

 

[mark54]

This does not change the fact that we must be lead to the Father by Christ.

Absolutely

 

[Stephen63]

Titus 3:9-11 [SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. [SUP]10 [/SUP]A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

*Methinks we are a quite a ways over twice here........ just sayin'*

 

[mark54]

Titus 3:9-11 [SUP]9 [/SUP]But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. [SUP]10 [/SUP]A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

*Methinks we are a quite a ways over twice here........ just sayin'*

np with you sayin

How would you describe a person that believes another to be damned and going to hell for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

ELOHIM (plural)

Just to clarify. . .
Strong's elohim - 1) (plural); a) rulers, judges; b) divine ones; c) angels; d) gods; 2) (plural intensive - singular meaning); a) god, goddess; b) godlike one; c) works or special possessions of God; d) the (true) God; e) God

 

[PS]

Really..........

That is what the plain word of scripture tells us.

We read in Colossians that Jesus was the creator, we read in Matthew that the creator who in heaven is spirit was the father of Mary's child, and all that happened is that the spirit became flesh. "One Person" who we call God is both Body and Spirit and his name is Jesus.

 

[mark54]

That is what the plain word of scripture tells us.

Nothing is impossible with God but that was easy. Jesus the creator remained in heaven and his son born of a woman lived on earth for 33 years and called him Father.
QUOTE]


Show me the text please, the PLAIN text as you stated

 

[PS]

That is what the plain word of scripture tells us.

Nothing is impossible with God but that was easy. Jesus the creator remained in heaven and his son born of a woman lived on earth for 33 years and called him Father.
QUOTE]

Show me the text please, the PLAIN text as you stated

Read about the birth of Jesus. This is how God came to earth to be among his people.

 

[mark54]

Read about the birth of Jesus.

This is what you said:

That is what the plain word of scripture tells us.

Concerning this:

Nothing is impossible with God but that was easy. Jesus the creator remained in heaven and his son born of a woman lived on earth for 33 years and called him Father


So please show me where the PLAIN WORD SAYS IT, Chapter and verse

 

[JLHillsSr]

That is what the plain word of scripture tells us.

We read in Colossians that Jesus was the creator, we read in Matthew that the creator who in heaven is spirit was the father of Mary's child, and all that happened is that the spirit became flesh. "One Person" who we call God who is both Body and Spirit and his name is Jesus.

What?

Luk 1:35 KJV - And the angel (with the voice of Jehovah) answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost (aka the Holy Spirit) shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest (The Father) shall overshadow thee: therefore also (in other words it will be part of Jehovah) that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The entire Trinity.

 

[PS]

This is what you said:

That is what the plain word of scripture tells us.

Concerning this:

Nothing is impossible with God but that was easy. Jesus the creator remained in heaven and his son born of a woman lived on earth for 33 years and called him Father


So please show me where the PLAIN WORD SAYS IT, Chapter and verse

Luke 1:37 "For nothing is impossible with God."

This is Him. His name is Jesus like you asked me.

Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace

He is eternal Father on earth and eternal Father in Heaven. One God.

 

[Bowman]

Re: Your're stuck too...

Tts 2:13 KJV - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God (the Father) and our Saviour Jesus Christ; (Jehovah in the Body)

Toward recieving the happy expectation and on-appearance of-the esteem of the great God and Savior of us Jesus anointed

No.

The TSKS rule of Greek grammar mandates that God and Savior have the same referent - Jesus Christ.

Thus....not only is Jesus our Savior but He is our God, as well.

This is confirmed on the merits of established Greek grammar, all by itself.

As for the trinity:

The Father
The only begotten Son, Jehovah
The Holy Spirit

They are not each other, but are each the ONE God.

Study up...!

 

[JLHillsSr]

Luke 1:37 "For nothing is impossible with God."

This is Him. His name is Jesus like you asked me.

Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace

The Eternal Father part refers to His sons. The church.

 

[mark54]

Luke 1:37 "For nothing is impossible with God."

This is Him. His name is Jesus like you asked me.

Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace

He is eternal Father on earth and eternal Father in Heaven. One God.

Nothing is impossible with God but that was easy. Jesus the creator remained in heaven and his son born of a woman lived on earth for 33 years and called him Father

You said the above was the PLAIN WORD
Please give me the PLAIN TEXT it came from
If you cannot, admit it is not the PLAIN WORD

 

[Blain]

You know i like to be very careful with scripture, i mean its so easy to accidently take scripture out of context to fit our own agenda or beliefs. I mean i have done this myself i am sure at one point, sooo ya.... just becareful guys:]

 

[JLHillsSr]

Re: Your're stuck too...

No.

The TSKS rule of Greek grammar mandates that God and Savior have the same referent - Jesus Christ.

Thus....not only is Jesus our Savior but He is our God, as well.

This is confirmed on the merits of established Greek grammar, all by itself.








They are not each other, but are each the ONE God.

Study up...!

What I typed was the exact translation of the Greek text.
The Trinity is one in principle, separate in identity.

 

[JLHillsSr]

You know i like to be very careful with scripture, i mean its so easy to accidently take scripture out of context to fit our own agenda or beliefs. I mean i have done this myself i am sure at one point, sooo ya.... just becareful guys:]

Mat 5:18 KJV - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luk 16:17 KJV - And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

 

[mark54]

I dunno. All Jesus asked us to do was believe he was the Son of God, that was the belief required by him as to who a person must believe him to be to inherit etrernal life. He told us the comfortor would come, and dwell in us, the Spirit of truth, and His Father was the one true God

Yet, though it only needed to be that simple, the mind of man got in the way, and so.......................

 

[PS]

Nothing is impossible with God but that was easy. Jesus the creator remained in heaven and his son born of a woman lived on earth for 33 years and called him Father

You said the above was the PLAIN WORD
Please give me the PLAIN TEXT it came from
If you cannot, admit it is not the PLAIN WORD

Jesus means "Jehovah is salvation." Jehovah was his Old Testament name.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Name of Jesus Christ

 

[Bowman]

Re: Your're stuck too...

What I typed was the exact translation of the Greek text.
The Trinity is one in principle, separate in identity.

No.

You didn't even post any Greek to begin with for comparison.

You don't know Greek.

You don't know the Trinity.

Period.