One what "DATE" did YOUR Messiah die?

[Pilgrimer]

No, it states that the 3 days and 3 nights refers to the time He was 'in the heart of the earth' ie. Hades (Acts 2v27)

Actually that passage doesn't say Jesus was in Hades three days and three nights, you are assuming that is what Jesus meant by "in the heart of the earth," but to do so you have to ignore what Jesus explicitly told his disciples and what they understood the 3 days and nights to include, and clearly it was not limited to just the period of time Jesus lay dead in the tomb. In every instance where he taught his disciples it included his rejection by the Jewish elders and his suffering, and from the testimony of Cleopas, that is the way the disciples understood it.

Acts 2:27, which simply states that during his death Jesus' soul was in Hades, does not include any reference to how long Jesus lay dead. From the testimony of all 4 Gospels, he died late Friday afternoon as the Sabbath approached and rose from the dead very early Sunday morning. Again, the Scripture does not support 3 days and 3 nights dead in the tomb.

Also do bear in mind that the 15th Nisan started at 6pm on Thursday, 6th April 30 AD, not 18 hours earlier.

If you look at the chronology again, you will see that I agree with you that Nisan 15 began at sunset Thursday, but my sources put the date as April 4.

If you (or anybody else) have not already done so, go and find the calendars for the years around the Lord's Crucifixion and see what works as regards the Scriptures (Jewish feasts etc) and then post your findings in this thread, I will read it with great interest...

Yahweh Shalom

Here's a calendar for the year 30 A.d. and the month of April. It comes from a system called HebCal which can convert dates from Gregorian to Hebrew and vice which you can access at this link Jewish Calendar April 0030 | Hebcal Jewish Calendar

[TABLE="class: table table-bordered, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 7"]April 0030
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Sunday[/TH]
[TH]Monday[/TH]
[TH]Tuesday[/TH]
[TH]Wednesday[/TH]
[TH]Thursday[/TH]
[TH]Friday[/TH]
[TH]Saturday[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]1
12th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]2
13th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]3
14th of Nisan, 3790
Erev Pesach[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]4
15th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach I[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]5
16th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach II (CH''M)[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]6
17th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach III (CH''M)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]7
18th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach IV (CH''M)[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]8
19th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach V (CH''M)[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]9
20th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach VI (CH''M)[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]10
21st of Nisan, 3790
Pesach VII[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]11
22nd of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]12
23rd of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]13
24th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]14
25th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]15
26th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]16
27th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]17
28th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]18
29th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]19
30th of Nisan, 3790
Rosh Chodesh Iyyar[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]20
1st of Iyyar, 3790
Rosh Chodesh Iyyar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]21
2nd of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]22
3rd of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]23
4th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]24
5th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]25
6th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]26
7th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]27
8th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]28
9th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]29
10th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]30
11th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Keep in mind that on Thursday, April 4 ... the 15th of Nisan, the first day of Passover, did not begin until sunset.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Pilgrimer]

Does this help with the birth of Jesus?

Hello PS. I wish your information was as good as your writing! I don't agree with most of your historical data or the conclusions based on them, but I did enjoy reading it. And I sincerely hope you are not too locked into you dating since I notice you didn't actually quote any historical sources, although you dropped a name or two. So allow me to share with you some important historical data that has to be taken into account in trying to fix these dates.

There were 24 courses of priests who served in the Temple, each serving one week until all 24 courses had served and then the rotation began again. The problem arises at the end of the year. 24 courses serving two weeks each gives a total of 48 weeks of service. However, the Jewish year is 50 weeks plus 4 days long. So on the 49th week, the rotation would begin again and the 1st course would serve the 49th week, the 2nd course the 50th week, and the 3rd course the 4 days plus 3 days of the next year. That would mean the 4th course would then serve the first full week of the new year, the 5th course the second week, the 6th course the third week, etc. It is simply not possible for the 1st course to serve the first week every year without violating the order in which they served. The service was not based on calendar dates, it ran consecutively from Sabbath to Sabbath, regardless of the calendar dates.

And the historical evidence bears this out. According to your calculations, when the Temple was destroyed on the 9th Ab 70 A.D., the 19th course of Pethahiah should have been on duty. But according to both the Talmudic tractate Taanith (On Feasting and Fast Days, 29A) as well as Josephus who was an eyewitness to the destruction (Wars, VI:4, 1, 5) it wasn't the 19th course that was on duty as your calculations would have it but it was in fact the 1st course, that of Jehoirib that was on duty, which proves the 1st course/1st week, 2nd course/2nd week calculations you are using are not historically accurate. The Jewish year consists of 6 months of 29 days and 6 months of 30 days for a total of 354 days. But 24 courses serving two weeks each year would only total 48 weeks, short of filling the year by 2 weeks and 4 days. And then when the extra whole month (Ve Adar) was periodically added to correct the lunar calendar and bring it into line with the solar year and the harvest seasons, it throws off the calculations even further because the priestly courses had to continue their order of service even during these extra weeks.

Now, having a fixed date that we know with certainly what course was serving on the 9th Ab of 70 A.D., and if we calculate backwards to the year before Jesus' birth, which is 6 B.C., we find that in fact the priestly course of Abijah was on duty from the 2nd to the 9th of October, the 23rd Elul to the 1st Tishri, or concluding on the Feast of Trumpets and the beginning of the new year.

Now bring forward all your calculations and you'll find Elizabeth's 6th month falls between the middle of March and the middle of April (since ancient times March 25 has been observed for the annunciation to Mary). Then count forward 3 more months and John would have been born around the middle of June (the ancient date for the feast of John's nativity is June 24). Then count forward another 6 months and you come to December 25 for the birth of Jesus.

Another point is that there were three times in the year when all male Jews were required to go up to Jerusalem for a feast; Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. So if Jesus had been born during Tabernacles, he would have been born in Jerusalem, not Bethlehem, as Joseph was certainly an observant Jew.

And that's in addition to the fact that Herod would never have scheduled a census during a festival. Jewish Law required that the people be counted "by tribes" and therefore they were required to return to the "house of their fathers." David and Mary, both being of the royal house of David, went to Bethlehem, the ancestral home of David.

I'll have to address your many other points as time permits, but I hope this is sufficient to give you pause about your calculations, and the conclusions you have drawn from them.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[PS]

Hello Pilgrim, I am ever-so sorry, I thought I had implied it wasn't my work. It came from a Christian magazine many years ago, I think the Christian Herald but I cannot be sure. I have debated this myself on the internet and there are different schools of thought I know but just at the moment I'm a bit busy with other things, I am sorry I gave the wrong impression and have slapped my wrist.

Thanks and I am sorry.

 

[Pilgrimer]

Hello Pilgrim, I am ever-so sorry, I thought I had implied it wasn't my work. It came from a Christian magazine many years ago, I think the Christian Herald but I cannot be sure. I have debated this myself on the internet and there are different schools of thought I know but just at the moment I'm a bit busy with other things, I am sorry I gave the wrong impression and have slapped my wrist.

Thanks and I am sorry.

My apologies PS, I just assumed the observations were your own. But I'll try to address them anyway, they're basically the same views you hear everywhere now. I first encountered these arguments in the 1980's, they originated with the Watchtower Society, but with the advent of the internet and the anonymity it allows, they have crept into mainstream Christianity, to our great sorrow and loss~

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[jb]

Actually that passage doesn't say Jesus was in Hades three days and three nights...

Jonah 1v17, 2v2 with Matt 12v40 states: 'Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights..."Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice"....For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.'

Although the body of Jonah was in the belly of the fish, his soul was in Sheol (Hades), hence why he says 'Out of the belly of Sheol I cried...' So, this is why the Lord Jesus uses this analogy, because He (ie His soul) experienced the same 3 days and 3 nights in Hades as Jonah did, while His body lay in the tomb.

The phrase '...in the heart of the earth' only means one thing, and that is Hades, go and have a look at some decent comments on this verse and like ones!

Read the Scripture as it is written and stop trying to make it mean something that it doesn't!

Also, go and sort out the difference between the Julian (Thursday 6th April) and Gregorian (Thursday, 4th April) calendars!

 

[Eccl12and13]

Actually that passage doesn't say Jesus was in Hades three days and three nights, you are assuming that is what Jesus meant by "in the heart of the earth," but to do so you have to ignore what Jesus explicitly told his disciples and what they understood the 3 days and nights to include, and clearly it was not limited to just the period of time Jesus lay dead in the tomb. In every instance where he taught his disciples it included his rejection by the Jewish elders and his suffering, and from the testimony of Cleopas, that is the way the disciples understood it.

Acts 2:27, which simply states that during his death Jesus' soul was in Hades, does not include any reference to how long Jesus lay dead. From the testimony of all 4 Gospels, he died late Friday afternoon as the Sabbath approached and rose from the dead very early Sunday morning. Again, the Scripture does not support 3 days and 3 nights dead in the tomb.



If you look at the chronology again, you will see that I agree with you that Nisan 15 began at sunset Thursday, but my sources put the date as April 4.



Here's a calendar for the year 30 A.d. and the month of April. It comes from a system called HebCal which can convert dates from Gregorian to Hebrew and vice which you can access at this link Jewish Calendar April 0030 | Hebcal Jewish Calendar

[TABLE="class: table table-bordered, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 7"]April 0030[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Sunday[/TH]
[TH]Monday[/TH]
[TH]Tuesday[/TH]
[TH]Wednesday[/TH]
[TH]Thursday[/TH]
[TH]Friday[/TH]
[TH]Saturday[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]1
12th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]2
13th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]3
14th of Nisan, 3790
Erev Pesach[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]4
15th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach I[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]5
16th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach II (CH''M)[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]6
17th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach III (CH''M)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]7
18th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach IV (CH''M)[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]8
19th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach V (CH''M)[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]9
20th of Nisan, 3790
Pesach VI (CH''M)[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]10
21st of Nisan, 3790
Pesach VII[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]11
22nd of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]12
23rd of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]13
24th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]14
25th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]15
26th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]16
27th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]17
28th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]18
29th of Nisan, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]19
30th of Nisan, 3790
Rosh Chodesh Iyyar[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]20
1st of Iyyar, 3790
Rosh Chodesh Iyyar[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]21
2nd of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]22
3rd of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]23
4th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]24
5th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]25
6th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]26
7th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]27
8th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]28
9th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]29
10th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"]30
11th of Iyyar, 3790[/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Keep in mind that on Thursday, April 4 ... the 15th of Nisan, the first day of Passover, did not begin until sunset.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

None of this lines up with scripture!

Has Satan blinded you to the point that you cannot read for yourself when God tells us HIS Passover is to begin?

If it does not line up with the word of God, no matter WHO says it, it is WRONG!

.

 

[Pilgrimer]

Jonah 1v17, 2v2 with Matt 12v40 states: 'Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights..."Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice"....For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.'

Although the body of Jonah was in the belly of the fish, his soul was in Sheol (Hades), hence why he says 'Out of the belly of Sheol I cried...' So, this is why the Lord Jesus uses this analogy, because He (ie His soul) experienced the same 3 days and 3 nights in Hades as Jonah did, while His body lay in the tomb.

The phrase '...in the heart of the earth' only means one thing, and that is Hades, go and have a look at some decent comments on this verse and like ones!

Read the Scripture as it is written and stop trying to make it mean something that it doesn't!

I am reading the Scripture "as it is written," every single passage where Jesus taught the disciples, in plain language not using any signs requiring interpretation, but explicitly stating the things that were going to happen to him which would culminate in his resurrection on the third day.

What I am not willing to do is read into the words "in the heart of the earth," an interpretation that I may think is correct but the text doesn't actually say and you cannot actually point to a Scripture which states it means that, all the "decent comments" notwithstanding. Jesus said Jonah was "three days and nights in the whale's belly," he didn't say three days and nights in hell, or even three days and three nights in the grave, which he certainly could have if that was what he meant.

Go and look again at Jonah's experience. He was "cast into the midst of the seas," and "the floods compassed him about," and he was "cast out of God's sight." Remember Jesus praying on the cross, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" That was hours before he died. So Jesus being "in the heart of the earth" could have a bit broader meaning than the narrow interpretation you are insisting on. After all, when the Temple guard came to arrest him in the garden late Thursday night Jesus said, "this is your hour, and the power of darkness." That's when it began ...

Also, go and sort out the difference between the Julian (Thursday 6th April) and Gregorian (Thursday, 4th April) calendars!

I'm quite well versed in the differences between the Julian and Gregorian calendars, and it's not 2 days, it's now 11 days, and counting. But winding backwards, April 4, 30 A.D. on the Gregorian calendar would be March 25 on the Julian calendar, not April 6. Pope Gregory added 10 days to correct the calendar, he didn't subtract 2.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Pilgrimer]

None of this lines up with scripture!

I beg your pardeon Eccl, but I believe it perfectly lines up with Scripture based on the actual Scripture and the historical background in which it took place.

Has Satan blinded you to the point that you cannot read for yourself when God tells us HIS Passover is to begin?

No, I don't believe Satan has blinded me to anything. I am quite able to read for myself what God had to say about the proper time to observe the Passover. Indeed, I rely implicitly on the Scripture to arrive at my conclusions. You don't agree that Passover began on Nisan 14?

If it does not line up with the word of God, no matter WHO says it, it is WRONG!

I agree, which is why I have been very diligent to examine precisely what it is the Scriptures have to say ... all of them ... not just a verse here or there.

Is there some particular of my chronology that you think contradicts some particular verse of Scripture? If so, please point it out and let's talk it over.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[PS]

Don't forget all of you that part of a day counts as a whole day and Friday to Sunday is three days.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Don't forget all of you that part of a day counts as a whole day and Friday to Sunday is three days.

Where in ALL of scriptures can you find this to be? Where can I read that God said that "...part of a day counts as a whole day..."? Which Book, Chapter and verse can I be pointed to that confirms your claim?

Over and over people have said that "The Jews of the day counted a part of a day as a whole day." But that does NOT mean it is correct.

The Jews of Christ day also added many laws to God's laws that were NOT sanctioned or declared HOLY by God.

God's word tells us that ALL of our doctrine is to come from scriptures;

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So again....where from Gen. to Rev. can it be found that GOD said, not "the Jews of the day" that, "...part of a day counts as a whole day..."?

.

 

[Eccl12and13]

I beg your pardeon Eccl, but I believe it perfectly lines up with Scripture based on the actual Scripture and the historical background in which it took place.

You don't agree that Passover began on Nisan 14?

God's word tells us that HIS Passover does indeed begin on Nisan 14....but you posted the following;

Keep in mind that on Thursday, April 4 ... the 15th of Nisan, the first day of Passover, did not begin until sunset.

Maybe it was just a misprint.


.

 

[PS]

Where in ALL of scriptures can you find this to be? Where can I read that God said that "...part of a day counts as a whole day..."? Which Book, Chapter and verse can I be pointed to that confirms your claim?

Over and over people have said that "The Jews of the day counted a part of a day as a whole day." But that does NOT mean it is correct.

The Jews of Christ day also added many laws to God's laws that were NOT sanctioned or declared HOLY by God.

God's word tells us that ALL of our doctrine is to come from scriptures;

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So again....where from Gen. to Rev. can it be found that GOD said, not "the Jews of the day" that, "...part of a day counts as a whole day..."?

.

DAY (Hebrew, "yom"):

In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). "The day" denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; (c) the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath).

DAY - JewishEncyclopedia.com

 

[Eccl12and13]

DAY

DAY - JewishEncyclopedia.com

I see where you received your information.

Now if you could direct me to the Book, Chapter and verse in THE BIBLE where GOD says that"...part of a day counts as a whole day..."!

Again....we are NOT to receive our doctrine from Jewish Encyclopedia.com, but from God's word;

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Let's read the scriptures you provided to see if GOD said that "...part of a day is to be counted as a whole day"


Gen.1
[5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

God does not say above that "part of a day is to be counted as a whole day"!

Ex.21
[21] Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

God does not say above that "part of a day is to be counted as a whole day"!

Neh.4
[15] And it came to pass, when our enemies heard that it was known unto us, and God had brought their counsel to nought, that we returned all of us to the wall, every one unto his work.
[17] They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.

God does not say above that "part of a day is to be counted as a whole day"!


So again....where from Gen. to Rev. can it be found that GOD said, and not those that call themselves "Jews", say that "...part of a day counts as a whole day..."?



.

 

[PS]

I see where you received your information.

Now if you could direct me to the Book, Chapter and verse in THE BIBLE where GOD says that"...part of a day counts as a whole day..."!

Again....we are NOT to receive our doctrine from Jewish Encyclopedia.com, but from God's word;

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Let's read the scriptures you provided to see if GOD said that "...part of a day is to be counted as a whole day"


Gen.1
[5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

God does not say above that "part of a day is to be counted as a whole day"!

Ex.21
[21] Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

God does not say above that "part of a day is to be counted as a whole day"!

Neh.4
[15] And it came to pass, when our enemies heard that it was known unto us, and God had brought their counsel to nought, that we returned all of us to the wall, every one unto his work.
[17] They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.

God does not say above that "part of a day is to be counted as a whole day"!


So again....where from Gen. to Rev. can it be found that GOD said, and not those that call themselves "Jews", say that "...part of a day counts as a whole day..."?
.

If the Bible says something happened on the first day and something else happened on the third day, what are we to deduce from that?

Are we to suppose that Jesus died the minute Thursday ended and Friday began?

Are we to suppose Jesus rose at the end of Sunday just a few minutes before Monday began?

Neither are correct. There is only one full day of 24 hours and that is the Sabbath, the day on which Jesus rested.

 

[Eccl12and13]

If the Bible says something happened on the first day and something else happened on the third day, what are we to deduce from that?

Are we to suppose that Jesus died the minute Thursday ended and Friday began?

Are we to suppose Jesus rose at the end of Sunday just a few minutes before Monday began?

Neither are correct. There is only one full day of 24 hours and that is the Sabbath, the day on which Jesus rested.

Sooooooo......... I take it you do not have a Book, Chapter or verse in the BIBLE where we can read that GOD says, "......part of a day counts as a whole day..."!


And we do not have to suppose we know for a fact that Christ died at the instant one day went from one to the other.

Do we not do the same every day at the stoke of "midnight"?

For man, one day ends and another begins at 12:00am.

For God one day ends and another begins at the going down of the sun!


Jesus was in the grave for EXACTLY 72 hours....just as He said He would! Not a second more or less!

Man can measure and conduct actions down to the nanosecond.....do you really think the creator cannot be that precise that He could not raise Jesus to the exact moment?


.

 

[PS]

Sooooooo......... I take it you do not have a Book, Chapter or verse in the BIBLE where we can read that GOD says, "......part of a day counts as a whole day..."!

And we do not have to suppose we know for a fact that Christ died at the instant one day went from one to the other.

Do we not do the same every day at the stoke of "midnight"?

For man, one day ends and another begins at 12:00am.

For God one day ends and another begins at the going down of the sun!

Jesus was in the grave for EXACTLY 72 hours....just as He said He would! Not a second more or less!

Man can measure and conduct actions down to the nanosecond.....do you really think the creator cannot be that precise that He could not raise Jesus to the exact moment?

Where does the Bible tell us Jesus was in the grave for EXACTLY 72 hours?

 

[Eccl12and13]

Jesus tells us this......

Jonah 1
[17] Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matt.12
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now....unless you can provide scriptures, Book, Chapter and verse, where God tells us that we are to consider..."...part of a day counts as a whole day...", we are to take Christ for His word.

Anything more or less than 72 hours would have been a lie. Did Jesus lie when He said, "...so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."?

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[Pilgrimer]

God's word tells us that HIS Passover does indeed begin on Nisan 14....but you posted the following;




Maybe it was just a misprint.


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It wasn't a misprint, just a technicality. The Passover lambs were sacrificed on the afternoon of the 14th, but the feast of the Passover (the Seder) wasn't eaten until that evening, which was the beginning of the 15th, the first day when unleavened bread was eaten and the beginning of the 7-day feast.

So technically, the feast, which lasted 7 days, began on Nisan 15. The Passover was sacrificed on the 14th.

"In the first [month], on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. Exodus 12:18

In the first [month], in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. Ezekiel 45:21

But we could just as correctly call Nisan 14 the first day of unleavened bread if we wish to use Roman reckoning.

But you stated, in rather harsh terms, that "none" of my chronology lines up with Scripture so what are you objections?

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[PS]

Jesus tells us this......

Jonah 1
[17] Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matt.12
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now....unless you can provide scriptures, Book, Chapter and verse, where God tells us that we are to consider..."...part of a day counts as a whole day...", we are to take Christ for His word.

Anything more or less than 72 hours would have been a lie. Did Jesus lie when He said, "...so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."?

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Let scripture explain scripture. They fasted for three days and three night, but Esther went into the king on the third day. She did not fast for 72 hours.

Est 4:15 Then Esther bade them return Mordecai this answer, go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish. So Mordecai went his way, and did according to all that Esther had commanded him.

Est 5:1 Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.

 

[Pilgrimer]

Jesus tells us this......

Jonah 1
[17] Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matt.12
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now....unless you can provide scriptures, Book, Chapter and verse, where God tells us that we are to consider..."...part of a day counts as a whole day...", we are to take Christ for His word.

Anything more or less than 72 hours would have been a lie. Did Jesus lie when He said, "...so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."?

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I hardly think God can be called a liar if events didn't happen the way you have determined they should have.

Eccl, let me ask you something. Why would you take one verse where Jesus talked about "a sign," and pin your entire view on what you think that one verse meant (because it does not actually say that), and ignore all the other verses where Jesus talked about this to his own disciples, and where his disciples talked about it, and other verses where the disciples explicitly state that Jesus was buried just before the sabbath began and rose from the dead on Sunday, but you ignore all these other verses and insist on this one verse that you interpret to mean something that in fact contradicts all these other verses?

I long ago made it my habit to look at everything the Scripture has to say about a subject and then draw my conclusions. You can take a single verse here and single verse there and cobble them together to come up with all kinds of doctrines, which is precisely how false teachers operate. They can point to a verse here or a verse there and explain them in such a way as to make what appears to be a valid, Scriptural, argument. The enemy's twisting of Scripture is very subtle. If it was blatant no one would believe it and be deceived by it. That's how so many of the Jewish people were deceived, they took "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." Isaiah 28:13 To this day the unbelieving Jew is convinced that his view is "Biblical" because it is based on a verse here and a verse there put together in such a way that has in fact led them into error.

Don't make the same mistake. Look at EVERY verse about this subject, go tear apart all those other verses about this very subject, the events that would lead up to Jesus' resurrection, and then draw your conclusions.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer