What is the Messianic Kingdom?
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EG what do you do with the many "forevers" and "eternals" in the Old testament that ceased
when that "age: was complete? Like in 70ad.
Nice dancing. But no answer really. I have the answer, but im not telling you
when that "age: was complete? Like in 70ad.
Nice dancing. But no answer really. I have the answer, but im not telling you
as long as something exists.. an eternal covenant is still binding..
when this earth is destroyed,, then there is no canaan.. then would isreal still own something that does nt exist? no..
But does that mean the eternal promise was not eternal after all??
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I know what the clay was too and the little horn but i wont
say till i get some fresh jalopino bagals and some fresh cut salmon
say till i get some fresh jalopino bagals and some fresh cut salmon
You do?
so who were the ten kings?
who was the three the little horn destroyed?
Who were the seven kingd that gave the little horn power for a time?
when was thins kingdom controling every nation tribe and tongue so that all people worshipped him? (the little horn)
when did this little horn control all financial power of the world?
I asked this before, but still waiting for an answer.
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I have to disapear for a but, but will be back later.
But I will comment something I wanted to say.
Symbolized prophesy can not be proven.. can just be a persons own belief. you can not prove a symbol.
future literal prophesy can not be proven. until it happens. is just a persons opinion.
thus why are we so devided on these points? we can be united and agree to disagree. the anger which comes out of these beliefs which CANNOT BE PROVEN just amazes me.
But I will comment something I wanted to say.
Symbolized prophesy can not be proven.. can just be a persons own belief. you can not prove a symbol.
future literal prophesy can not be proven. until it happens. is just a persons opinion.
thus why are we so devided on these points? we can be united and agree to disagree. the anger which comes out of these beliefs which CANNOT BE PROVEN just amazes me.
This is the bi-level prophecy regarding the fourth beast, just ast Mt 24 is bi-level prophecy.
Just as the destruction in Mt 24 is stated in terms of Jerusalem (e.g., vv.15-22), but not all of it is about Jerusalem itself, but some is about the end of time (e.g., vv.30-31),
so the prophecy stated in terms of the fourth kingdom, Rome, (e.g., 7:20-28) is not all about Rome itself, but some is about the end of time.
All prophecy is not literal, or Daniel would not need to explain the meaning of the visions.
Likewise with Eze 12, 15, 16, 17, 23, 24, 31, 37 and Rev 12, 13, 17.
Just as the destruction in Mt 24 is stated in terms of Jerusalem (e.g., vv.15-22), but not all of it is about Jerusalem itself, but some is about the end of time (e.g., vv.30-31),
so the prophecy stated in terms of the fourth kingdom, Rome, (e.g., 7:20-28) is not all about Rome itself, but some is about the end of time.
All prophecy is not literal, or Daniel would not need to explain the meaning of the visions.
Likewise with Eze 12, 15, 16, 17, 23, 24, 31, 37 and Rev 12, 13, 17.
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You know the reason im saying this. You keep stressing eternal, everlasting. And cry about literalism
So i rekon i need to make you hold to a consistency. Which you wont be able to do. Then also on symbolic
usage in the bible you seem to put down even when i show verses that say God has done this through
His prophets. Ima gona be pestering you but i know youl still wuv mecuz im irresistable
So i rekon i need to make you hold to a consistency. Which you wont be able to do. Then also on symbolic
usage in the bible you seem to put down even when i show verses that say God has done this through
His prophets. Ima gona be pestering you
but i know youl still wuv mecuz im irresistableYour argument is with Hebrews:
"All these people (Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) were still living by faith when they died. They (Abraham, et al) did not receive the things promised. . .Instead they (Abraham, et al) were longing for a better country (than Canaan)--a heavenly one."
God promised Canaan to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob personally (Ge 17:8, 26:3, 35:12), as well as to their descendants.
Hebrews states "they did not receive the thing promised."
Take it up with Hebrews.
"All these people (Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) were still living by faith when they died. They (Abraham, et al) did not receive the things promised. . .Instead they (Abraham, et al) were longing for a better country (than Canaan)--a heavenly one."
God promised Canaan to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob personally (Ge 17:8, 26:3, 35:12), as well as to their descendants.
Hebrews states "they did not receive the thing promised."
Take it up with Hebrews.
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I would counsel you to be very careful in calling God a liar, even in jest. It may simply be that you have many things yet to learn...
You say that God’s promise was “eternal” (owlam), meaning forever. But have you considered that God said many things were to be eternal. The feasts were to be kept forever, as well as all the commandments and ordinances (Deuteronomy 12:28), including keeping the lamp supplied with oil and the light burning in the Holy Place was to be “forever.” (Exodus 27:20-21) The clothing prescribed to be worn by the priests when they ministered in the sanctuary was an ordinance “forever.” (Exodus 28:40-43) The breast and the shoulder of Israel’s peace-offering that became the wave- and heave-offering belonging to the priests was to be “forever” (Exodus 29:27-28). And the ordinance that the priests were to wash their hands and feet at the brazen sea before ministering in the Sanctuary was to be “forever.” (Exodus 30:17-21) And I could go on and on and on. But perhaps the most obvious is that the sacrifice of the goat “for Jehovah” and the sprinkling of its blood to make atonement for sin on the Day of Atonement was also to be a sacrifice that was to be offered up to God “forever.” (Leviticus 16:29-34)
So what happened? All these sacrifices and ordinances obviously have ceased and there hasn’t been a sacrifice made or an ordinance kept according to the Law since the generation in which Jesus instituted the New Covenant. Nor will there be ever again.
But God said all these things too would be … forever.
So perhaps you should be a little more cautious in your statements about God’s character because obviously there are some things about “forever” you have yet to understand.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
You say that God’s promise was “eternal” (owlam), meaning forever. But have you considered that God said many things were to be eternal. The feasts were to be kept forever, as well as all the commandments and ordinances (Deuteronomy 12:28), including keeping the lamp supplied with oil and the light burning in the Holy Place was to be “forever.” (Exodus 27:20-21) The clothing prescribed to be worn by the priests when they ministered in the sanctuary was an ordinance “forever.” (Exodus 28:40-43) The breast and the shoulder of Israel’s peace-offering that became the wave- and heave-offering belonging to the priests was to be “forever” (Exodus 29:27-28). And the ordinance that the priests were to wash their hands and feet at the brazen sea before ministering in the Sanctuary was to be “forever.” (Exodus 30:17-21) And I could go on and on and on. But perhaps the most obvious is that the sacrifice of the goat “for Jehovah” and the sprinkling of its blood to make atonement for sin on the Day of Atonement was also to be a sacrifice that was to be offered up to God “forever.” (Leviticus 16:29-34)
So what happened? All these sacrifices and ordinances obviously have ceased and there hasn’t been a sacrifice made or an ordinance kept according to the Law since the generation in which Jesus instituted the New Covenant. Nor will there be ever again.
But God said all these things too would be … forever.
So perhaps you should be a little more cautious in your statements about God’s character because obviously there are some things about “forever” you have yet to understand.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer