It all starts with tolerance and "dialogue" combined with a goofy, self-chosen and unbiblical "luuuuuv" concept.
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It all starts with tolerance and "dialogue" combined with a goofy, self-chosen and unbiblical "luuuuuv" concept.
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psychomom
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Jeremiah 31
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD.
33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 “They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
this whole chapter may be pertinent...
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD.
33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 “They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
this whole chapter may be pertinent...
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psychomom
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In the same chapter this is what the Lord tells Jeremiah
Jeremiah 31
31 “At that time,” declares the Lord, “I will be the God of all the families of Israel, and they will be my people.”
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This is what the Lord says:
“The people who survive the sword
will find favor in the wilderness;
I will come to give rest to Israel.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The Lord appeared to us in the past,[SUP][a][/SUP] saying:
“I have loved you with an everlasting love;
I have drawn you with unfailing kindness.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]I will build you up again,
and you, Virgin Israel, will be rebuilt.
Again you will take up your timbrels
and go out to dance with the joyful.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Again you will plant vineyards
on the hills of Samaria;
the farmers will plant them
and enjoy their fruit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There will be a day when watchmen cry out
on the hills of Ephraim,
‘Come, let us go up to Zion,
to the Lord our God.’”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]This is what the Lord says:“Sing with joy for Jacob;
shout for the foremost of the nations.
Make your praises heard, and say,
‘Lord, save your people,
the remnant of Israel.’
[SUP]8 [/SUP]See, I will bring them from the land of the north
and gather them from the ends of the earth.
Among them will be the blind and the lame,
expectant mothers and women in labor;
a great throng will return.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]They will come with weeping;
they will pray as I bring them back.
I will lead them beside streams of water
on a level path where they will not stumble,
because I am Israel’s father,
and Ephraim is my firstborn son.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This is what the Lord says:
“The people who survive the sword
will find favor in the wilderness;
I will come to give rest to Israel.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The Lord appeared to us in the past,[SUP][a][/SUP] saying:
“I have loved you with an everlasting love;
I have drawn you with unfailing kindness.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]I will build you up again,
and you, Virgin Israel, will be rebuilt.
Again you will take up your timbrels
and go out to dance with the joyful.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Again you will plant vineyards
on the hills of Samaria;
the farmers will plant them
and enjoy their fruit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There will be a day when watchmen cry out
on the hills of Ephraim,
‘Come, let us go up to Zion,
to the Lord our God.’”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]This is what the Lord says:“Sing with joy for Jacob;
shout for the foremost of the nations.
Make your praises heard, and say,
‘Lord, save your people,
the remnant of Israel.’
[SUP]8 [/SUP]See, I will bring them from the land of the north
and gather them from the ends of the earth.
Among them will be the blind and the lame,
expectant mothers and women in labor;
a great throng will return.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]They will come with weeping;
they will pray as I bring them back.
I will lead them beside streams of water
on a level path where they will not stumble,
because I am Israel’s father,
and Ephraim is my firstborn son.
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tdrew777
Guest
The questions in my previous posts were not meant to be rhetorical. I have no formal schooling in theology nor church history of be sure of the correct answers. Yet they have elicited no response. With all due respect, they were not directed to zone.
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psychomom
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who is Israel?
who is in covenant with God in the way above right now?
is there any way to be in covenant with God apart from the way proscribed in the New Testament, namely,
through the Lord Jesus?
(any other Name under heaven by which we might be saved?)
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tdrew777
Guest
Here are the questions that I have asked before. No response?????
How much room do the scriptures leave for soteriological difference between Jew and Gentile?
Does anyone have any scripture references where salvation is given to first-century Jews who rejected Jesus Christ but believed in "Messiah"?
Do we have historical instances where Messianic Jews accepted into their congregations Jews who rejected Jesus Christ but believed in Messiah?
Are you saying that Romans teaches that natural revelation and human conscience provide a witness that makes it unnecessary to believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and dwelt among us? Do you believe that people who believe in the Christ, but who deny that Jesus is that Christ, have sufficient light and need no warning from the church?
How much room do the scriptures leave for soteriological difference between Jew and Gentile?
Does anyone have any scripture references where salvation is given to first-century Jews who rejected Jesus Christ but believed in "Messiah"?
Do we have historical instances where Messianic Jews accepted into their congregations Jews who rejected Jesus Christ but believed in Messiah?
Are you saying that Romans teaches that natural revelation and human conscience provide a witness that makes it unnecessary to believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and dwelt among us? Do you believe that people who believe in the Christ, but who deny that Jesus is that Christ, have sufficient light and need no warning from the church?
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Therapon
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No, I do not deny a jot or tittle of God's Word, but I do indeed disagree with your interpretation of it. Of course you would call that heresy, but it is impossible to get people to see who are determined to keep their eyes closed. <smile>
I've said many times, go to ellisskolfield.com, download the 2013 edition of the Bible prophecy Study Guide on the home page, prove it wrong and then declare my heresy on here. I'm laughing my head off at you guys because I never hear another peep.
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Therapon
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SOME Jews are saved. SOME Gentiles saved. Who of them believes.
We are one people serving the One, the true living God.
Read Hebrews lately?
Christ's blood testified of the NEW COVENANT, which makes Jews and Gentiled 'grafted' as followers of Jesus.
You do know this Scripture, cpr, don't leave me breathless of this truth, no?
Really, Cpr, really, therupon believes Jews don't need to believe the gospel ? "For God so loved the WORLD.... eternal life.'
Really, you really want to slander his words like that??/?
Hi Brother. I have quoted the following few verses on here until I'm blue in the face. It is really comical to watch those who disagree, tippie-toe and dance around them, trying to come up with some cockamamie excuses of why they aren't so . . .
Romans 11:8 "According as it is written, God hath given them (the Jews) the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day."
Romans 11:11 "I say then, Have they (the Jews) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."
Romns 11:28-29 As concerning the gospel, they (the Jews) are enemies for your (Gentiles) sakes: but as touching the election (God's sovereign choice), they (the Jews) are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable".
Look you guys who claim I'm a heretic, why don't you just believe the Bible?
The correct way to exegete Scripture is to find ways to reconcile verses that appear to disagree, rather than using one verse to disprove another. It's all God's word!!!
it's this love for something NEW.
hey...this guy found something NEW in "prophecy"
who cares if he literally rewrites scripture before our very eyes.
right out in the open!
in black and white!
who cares?
it fits with the Dual Covenant koolaid being served up in the world anyways.
plus i'm too LAZY to read the bible myself.
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psychomom
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Kath, since you mentioned something like this in another thread, my confession is i used to believe in the whole dispensational ball of wax. 
just so y'all know your words are not wasted! ♥
just so y'all know your words are not wasted! ♥
Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.
Dual-covenant theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
POLL:
DOES ANYONE BELIEVE THE ABOVE IS TRUE.
_____ yes
_____ no
_____ who cares
Dual-covenant theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
POLL:
DOES ANYONE BELIEVE THE ABOVE IS TRUE.
_____ yes
_____ no
_____ who cares
Kath, since you mentioned something like this in another thread, my confession is i used to believe in the whole dispensational ball of wax.
just so y'all know your words are not wasted! ♥
You are not the only one sad to say.
Kath, since you mentioned something like this in another thread, my confession is i used to believe in the whole dispensational ball of wax.
just so y'all know your words are not wasted! ♥
cool el....
so you see it for what it is.
tell them!
or....ya.
i know you been tryin to.
should we care...that is the question.
dunno.
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26[/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,
I know I am at a disadvantage having not read of the scholars and theologians you have, but I'll just stick with the simple scriptures, and leave you in your world of acadamia
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Therapon
Guest
Good questions. The church today teaches doctrinal salvation rather than heart conversion. In other words, if you know the four spiritual laws and say the sinners prayer (or whatever the church claims is the proper ritual), then bingo, you're saved because you have jumped through the approved hoops. Problem is, it isn't true.
It took me decades to see it, but salvation has absolutely nothing to do with doctrinal head knowledge, everything to do with having a repentant, humble and contrite heart towards God, a sometimes rare commodity here.
no, youll stick with the junk you read in paperbacks.
claiming simplicity and infantile ignorance will not help you
Now if only i was as wise as you are, I guess I would go around telling people they were condemned for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
Now of course this is only my opinion, and I am certainly not infallible, but to me, your world is simply one of theological reasoning of the little grey cells, seems no more than that to me Zone, but like I say, that's just my opinion
well Mark,
you can answer for the idolatry of making Jesus Christ a created entity.
claiming ignorance won't help you.
bye