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girl, if you can not admit you are wrong. how can your message get out to anyone?
Who said God wants gentiles out of Isreal? God put them there in the first place.. Daniel prophesied they would be there until the end of the age.. And you think I want them out?? why?? am I stronger than God that i can command he remove them??
Gentiles were saved in isreal and lived happy lives during the whole OT. they will do the same in the millennial reign.. only they will be SAVED.
I can say I want them all saved until I am blue in the face, you will call me a liar.. because I must be a liar or your hwole belief system crashes down..
you can;t be like abiding and bookends and others who at least listen and would not make such false claims.. they just disagree with me as I do them, and we move on and speak about more important things, like the gospel.
for some reason, you can;t do this!
Who said God wants gentiles out of Isreal? God put them there in the first place.. Daniel prophesied they would be there until the end of the age.. And you think I want them out?? why?? am I stronger than God that i can command he remove them??
Gentiles were saved in isreal and lived happy lives during the whole OT. they will do the same in the millennial reign.. only they will be SAVED.
I can say I want them all saved until I am blue in the face, you will call me a liar.. because I must be a liar or your hwole belief system crashes down..
you can;t be like abiding and bookends and others who at least listen and would not make such false claims.. they just disagree with me as I do them, and we move on and speak about more important things, like the gospel.
for some reason, you can;t do this!
you did.
if you will not admit you did say it, and admit you were wrong in saying it, i have nothing to say to you.
it's one or the other.
you said it clearly and it's the cornerstone of your beliefs whether you face it or not.
you've been saying it all along.
because of a ludicrous notion that LAND wasn't given, and God is forced to hand over Land to people who reject Jesus.
at the cost of millions of lives.
don't talk to me about making sense EG.
if you ever come around, let me know.
if you will not admit you did say it, and admit you were wrong in saying it, i have nothing to say to you.
it's one or the other.
you said it clearly and it's the cornerstone of your beliefs whether you face it or not.
you've been saying it all along.
because of a ludicrous notion that LAND wasn't given, and God is forced to hand over Land to people who reject Jesus.
at the cost of millions of lives.
don't talk to me about making sense EG.
if you ever come around, let me know.
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And you refuse to accept the requirement of belief Christ himself laid down as to who a person must believe him to be to inherit eternal life by adding to it
Neither Christ, Paul, Peter James or John made such a demand as you do, neither would hardly any Trinitarian ministers plainly demand it from their pulpits, neither well of 90% of members of Trinitarian chuirches would demand it either
But a few head theologists on the internet will for they are led of the academic mind, not the Spirit, and are wise in their own eyes
Above is the truth Zone, and the reality
The true dividing line in Christianity is not according to denomination but the Holy Spirit
And the true dividing line of those wishing to learn, is those who rely on the Holy Spirit to lead and teach them and those who do not
And we can know if someone is led of the Spirit can't we, according to Trinitarian belief itself
For if a person being led of the Holy Spirit could refuse to accept the requirement of belief Christ himself laid down as to who a person must believe him to be unto salvation by adding to it, then the Spirit of God must contradict the word of God, in Trinitarian terms, God must then contradict God and the belief collapses
The ministers in the churches by and large understand the spiritual reality, you don't
And you refuse to accept the requirement of belief Christ himself laid down as to who a person must believe him to be to inherit eternal life by adding to it
Neither Christ, Paul, Peter James or John made such a demand as you do, neither would hardly any Trinitarian ministers plainly demand it from their pulpits, neither well of 90% of members of Trinitarian chuirches would demand it either
But a few head theologists on the internet will for they are led of the academic mind, not the Spirit, and are wise in their own eyes
Neither Christ, Paul, Peter James or John made such a demand as you do, neither would hardly any Trinitarian ministers plainly demand it from their pulpits, neither well of 90% of members of Trinitarian chuirches would demand it either
But a few head theologists on the internet will for they are led of the academic mind, not the Spirit, and are wise in their own eyes
So when he yelled out it is finished then it is John 19:30 and therefore there is no more forgiveness to be executedforthere is no more shedding of Blood we are a forgiven peoples all the whole world, and after this resolution of truth we can move on to new life by asking God for it and thus recieve it Thank God forever and always
do not talk to me about the Gospel.
you don't believe it for jews, so you don't believe it for anyone.
this is where the truth comes out.
to the JEW FIRST, then the gentile. it's written plainly.
so is Emmanuel. God with us.
you don't believe either of those plain truths.
you're a polytheist, and not anything to do with Christianity.
your ancient heresy is long refuted. stay in it if you want to.
take it somewhere else Mark.
you'll never get anywhere with me.
ever.
you don't believe it for jews, so you don't believe it for anyone.
this is where the truth comes out.
to the JEW FIRST, then the gentile. it's written plainly.
so is Emmanuel. God with us.
you don't believe either of those plain truths.
you're a polytheist, and not anything to do with Christianity.
your ancient heresy is long refuted. stay in it if you want to.
take it somewhere else Mark.
you'll never get anywhere with me.
ever.
You have to totally ignore what I wrote don't you and come back with the same empty words
I repeat, the average churchgper would not have studied, or learnt even a fraction of the theology you have, yet they would know far more real spiritual truth than you. For they would condemn no one for standing on the plain words of Christ, you do
And that is because when it comes down to it, you revel in studying and you rely on the academic mind to learn, and those of the scholars and theoplogians you look to
And yet, the greatest theologian of them all lives in easch and every Christian
And one day you will assuredly have to answer for condemning people in your heart who stood on the plain words of Christ unto salvation, and on that day there will be no audience to impress
I repeat, the average churchgper would not have studied, or learnt even a fraction of the theology you have, yet they would know far more real spiritual truth than you. For they would condemn no one for standing on the plain words of Christ, you do
And that is because when it comes down to it, you revel in studying and you rely on the academic mind to learn, and those of the scholars and theoplogians you look to
And yet, the greatest theologian of them all lives in easch and every Christian
And one day you will assuredly have to answer for condemning people in your heart who stood on the plain words of Christ unto salvation, and on that day there will be no audience to impress
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Oh I did?
see this is how blind you are. You asked a question something about the current Isreal fulfilling gods promise. I said no. because there are still gentiles in jerusalem. in charge, which are there in accordance with the punishment imposed isreal by the covenant given them..You
twisted this and said I demand they be cleansed or pushed out.
I will not admit to your twisted version of what I said, I have said it the whole time I have been here, and YOU STILL DO NOT GET IT.
You can;t see it because you do not want to understand what it is I believe. thats on you not me
Oh you mean like it was When God sent Isreal to their land in the first place? at the cost of millions of lives? when God told them to kill all people, including their livestock?
I guess you have a problem with God then. Of course this is not how God is going to restor them to their land.. but you are not even willing to look at it.. to see what I believe
I will never come around to your belief. And it is obvious you will never comprehend what I believe, or admit you do not understand it..
see this is how blind you are. You asked a question something about the current Isreal fulfilling gods promise. I said no. because there are still gentiles in jerusalem. in charge, which are there in accordance with the punishment imposed isreal by the covenant given them..You
twisted this and said I demand they be cleansed or pushed out.
I will not admit to your twisted version of what I said, I have said it the whole time I have been here, and YOU STILL DO NOT GET IT.
You can;t see it because you do not want to understand what it is I believe. thats on you not me
Oh you mean like it was When God sent Isreal to their land in the first place? at the cost of millions of lives? when God told them to kill all people, including their livestock?
I guess you have a problem with God then. Of course this is not how God is going to restor them to their land.. but you are not even willing to look at it.. to see what I believe
I will never come around to your belief. And it is obvious you will never comprehend what I believe, or admit you do not understand it..
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HUH????
what Land Promise?
any idea what the Promise is?
jews die in unbelief but get LAND.
and that's not antisemitic.
and gentiles (ironic since nobody appears to have a clue who the jews are) get killed as well.
Where is JESUS in any of this?
do you have any idea whatsoever what this says?:
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
no...you won't read it.
does it say Finished?
is there anything at all about Jerusalem being for anything at all for anyone?
who was Paul?
a Plan B jew?
Galatians 4
Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
12Brothers,c I entreat you, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You did me no wrong. 13You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first, 14and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus. 15What then has become of the blessing you felt? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have gouged out your eyes and given them to me. 16Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth?d 17They make much of you, but for no good purpose. They want to shut you out, that you may make much of them. 18It is always good to be made much of for a good purpose, and not only when I am present with you, 19my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of childbirth until Christ is formed in you! 20I wish I could be present with you now and change my tone, for I am perplexed about you.
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
are there ANY jews in the world this does not apply to?
show me.
how many COVENANTS are there?
how many people?
HUH????
what Land Promise?
any idea what the Promise is?
jews die in unbelief but get LAND.
and that's not antisemitic.
and gentiles (ironic since nobody appears to have a clue who the jews are) get killed as well.
Where is JESUS in any of this?
do you have any idea whatsoever what this says?:
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
no...you won't read it.
does it say Finished?
is there anything at all about Jerusalem being for anything at all for anyone?
who was Paul?
a Plan B jew?
Galatians 4
Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
12Brothers,c I entreat you, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You did me no wrong. 13You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first, 14and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus. 15What then has become of the blessing you felt? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have gouged out your eyes and given them to me. 16Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth?d 17They make much of you, but for no good purpose. They want to shut you out, that you may make much of them. 18It is always good to be made much of for a good purpose, and not only when I am present with you, 19my little children, for whom I am again in the anguish of childbirth until Christ is formed in you! 20I wish I could be present with you now and change my tone, for I am perplexed about you.
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
are there ANY jews in the world this does not apply to?
show me.
how many COVENANTS are there?
how many people?
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And you refuse to accept the requirement of belief Christ himself laid down as to who a person must believe him to be to inherit eternal life by adding to it
Neither Christ, Paul, Peter James or John made such a demand as you do, neither would hardly any Trinitarian ministers plainly demand it from their pulpits, neither well of 90% of members of Trinitarian chuirches would demand it either
But a few head theologists on the internet will for they are led of the academic mind, not the Spirit, and are wise in their own eyes
I guess nearly all the trinitarian ministers should be slung out of the pulpits then jimmy huh
Or maybe you dont really care beyond this website
Neither Christ, Paul, Peter James or John made such a demand as you do, neither would hardly any Trinitarian ministers plainly demand it from their pulpits, neither well of 90% of members of Trinitarian chuirches would demand it either
But a few head theologists on the internet will for they are led of the academic mind, not the Spirit, and are wise in their own eyes
I guess nearly all the trinitarian ministers should be slung out of the pulpits then jimmy huh
Or maybe you dont really care beyond this website
So come on Jimmy, be honest, Christ, Peter, James, John and Paul all woefully failed their readers/listeners by not plainly telling them the neccessary requiirement of belief unto salvation
You know why you cannot see the truth you are led of the natural mind, not the Spirit over this, that is why you cannot understand
For if you are right, all of those mentioned above terrible failed in their duty
The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
1Cor3:21
You know why you cannot see the truth you are led of the natural mind, not the Spirit over this, that is why you cannot understand
For if you are right, all of those mentioned above terrible failed in their duty
The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile
1Cor3:21
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A mormon catholic and JW would say we need to work to earn eternal life.. Does mark say this?? They have more issues than who jesus is to worry about.. and since when is this thread about who Jesus is? now who has changed the subject and defiled the thread?
lets get right down to the nitty gritty here..
lets get right down to the nitty gritty here..
you tell me how it works EG.
explain it to me.
how do unbelieving OR believing jews (your version of Israel, in spite of the simple simple simple simple truth that believing Israel was always the Natural Tree and Gentiles were grafted in) take control of The Land without killing or Laws that are not anywhere in the Great Commission.
just get it out here for everybody to see how your Plan works.
ISRAEL fulfills God's Promise?
since WHEN?
where is Jesus?
Who is Israel?
Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."
explain it to me.
how do unbelieving OR believing jews (your version of Israel, in spite of the simple simple simple simple truth that believing Israel was always the Natural Tree and Gentiles were grafted in) take control of The Land without killing or Laws that are not anywhere in the Great Commission.
just get it out here for everybody to see how your Plan works.
ISRAEL fulfills God's Promise?
since WHEN?
where is Jesus?
Who is Israel?
Matthew 2:15
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."