Dual Covenant Theology

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Dual Covenant Theology: True or False

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eternally-gratefull

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forget it.
you wear that stuff.

your system has everything to do with salvation.
the loss of it for so many.

only God knows how many people you've taught this to.
but you will not listen...at all.

so it's on you.

Jesus died for all sins, i'd repent of all that false teaching if i was you.





and that's all i have to say about that.

And I just lost all respect for you. Your a liar. Your a false manipulator. You do not even know what I believe..

I leave you to God.. You can do what you want, But in my mind, I don't think you are my sister at all.. A true brother or sister in Christ would not do what you do..
 
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This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, [SUP]21 [/SUP]and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. I myself am going.’ [SUP]22 [/SUP]And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him.” [SUP]23 [/SUP]This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”


When did the above take place Zone?


 
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Abiding

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I will strengthen Judah
and save the tribes of Joseph.
I will restore them
because I have compassion on them.
They will be as though
I had not rejected them,
for I am the Lord their God
and I will answer them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The Ephraimites will become like warriors,
and their hearts will be glad as with wine.
Their children will see it and be joyful;
their hearts will rejoice in the Lord.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I will signal for them
and gather them in.
Surely I will redeem them;
they will be as numerous as before.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Though I scatter them among the peoples,
yet in distant lands they will remember me.
They and their children will survive,
and they will return.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I will bring them back from Egypt
and gather them from Assyria.
I will bring them to Gilead and Lebanon,
and there will not be room enough for them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]They will pass through the sea of trouble;
the surging sea will be subdued
and all the depths of the Nile will dry up.
Assyria’s pride will be brought down
and Egypt’s scepter will pass away.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I will strengthen them in the Lord
and in his name they will live securely,”
declares the Lord.

And this 766 BC?

Its called the full plan of redemption in Christ and Heaven. Can you spell metaphor?
 

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Ezekiel 48
The Gates of the City
30“These shall be the exits of the city: On the north side, which is to be 4,500 cubits by measure, 31three gates, the gate of Reuben, the gate of Judah, and the gate of Levi, the gates of the city being named after the tribes of Israel. 32On the east side, which is to be 4,500 cubits, three gates, the gate of Joseph, the gate of Benjamin, and the gate of Dan. 33On the south side, which is to be 4,500 cubits by measure, three gates, the gate of Simeon, the gate of Issachar, and the gate of Zebulun. 34On the west side, which is to be 4,500 cubits, three gates,h the gate of Gad, the gate of Asher, and the gate of Naphtali. 35The circumference of the city shall be 18,000 cubits. And the name of the city from that time on shall be, The LORD Is There.”


Revelation 21:21
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Galatians 2
Paul Accepted by the Apostles

1Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2I went up because of a revelation and set before them (though privately before those who seemed influential) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure I was not running or had not run in vain. 3But even Titus, who was with me, was not forced to be circumcised, though he was a Greek. 4Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— 5to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. 6And from those who seemed to be influential (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)—those, I say, who seemed influential added nothing to me. 7On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8(for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.


1 Timothy 3:15
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. 16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:

Hec appeared in a body,d
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.


Revelation 3:12
The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.


Revelation 22
The River of Life

1Then the angela showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of lifeb with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servantsc will worship him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.


Galatians 4:26
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
 
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Its called the full plan of redemption in Christ and Heaven. Can you spell metaphor?
So tell me Abiding, who was responsible for the nation of Israel being created in 1948?

Bankers?
The ungodly?
Heretics?
Apostates?
 
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Abiding

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This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, [SUP]21 [/SUP]and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. I myself am going.’ [SUP]22 [/SUP]And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him.” [SUP]23 [/SUP]This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”


When did the above take place Zone?


Mark please tell us what or when you think this will be fulfilled.
Ill put on a pot of coffee and wait....ty i think this will be interesting:p
 

zone

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And I just lost all respect for you. Your a liar. Your a false manipulator. You do not even know what I believe..

I leave you to God.. You can do what you want, But in my mind, I don't think you are my sister at all.. A true brother or sister in Christ would not do what you do..
what's that EG?
hold with you for 2+ years throughout attributing Jesus' Work to satan and all that?

over and over?

and finally draw a halt on ethnic cleansing?
too bad.

that's how it's going to be.
you will not listen.

whatever you do, if you change your mind, don't come back and admit it and apologize for all that junk.
nobody ever does.
 
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Abiding

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So tell me Abiding, who was responsible for the nation of Israel being created in 1948?

Bankers?
The ungodly?
Heretics?
Apostates?
Have you studied the history yet Mark?
Slamming questions at people isnt dialogue
lets see what you know about it
 
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Mark please tell us what or when you think this will be fulfilled.
Ill put on a pot of coffee and wait....ty i think this will be interesting:p
Well as I am not a scholar or theologian, or clairvoyant, I can't give you the date Abiding, sorry, but its coming, but I am hoping you will answer my question to you
Thanks
 
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Have you studied the history yet Mark?
Slamming questions at people isnt dialogue
lets see what you know about it
Can't you tell me?
Don't you know the answer?

I was hoping you could fill me in
 
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Abiding

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So tell me Abiding, who was responsible for the nation of Israel being created in 1948?

Bankers?
The ungodly?
Heretics?
Apostates?
So far i havnt seen you respond to any answers youve been given
so i take it your only here to heckle...am i right?
 
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So far i havnt seen you respond to any answers youve been given
so i take it your only here to heckle...am i right?
Well I haven't been given any answers to refute the Jews coming back to their homeland, but I note you seem reluctant to answer my question
 
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Abiding

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Can't you tell me?
Don't you know the answer?

I was hoping you could fill me in
Yes ive done my homework. You brought it up. Now your playing you answer me
or i wont answer you game....look at my age mark...my grandsons play a better game
no you were not hoping id fill you in mark
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hold on: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

"He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week"

From Jesus baptism to the stoning of Peter, while only the gospel went out to the Jews

(which in fact is what and who the vision was for, its explained in v. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;)

was one week. Then the Gentiles came in.

First of all did Jesus have a covenant to confirm? Yes he did and the New Testament records it

Hebrews 8:10-13


[SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Romans 15:8


[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises(covenant) made unto the fathers:

2 cor 1:[SUP]20 [/SUP]For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.


Someone show me where satan has any kind of covenant to "confirm" Establish, complete?
Show me anywhere in v.27 satan is mentioned.

Where anywhere in the bible does it talk of satan making a covenant?


Hold on.

I can see where you are coming from, But I disagree. But unlike Zone here., I will not condemn you to hell for disagreeing wiht me.

lets look at it in order


1st event:[SUP] 26 [/SUP]“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

Fulfilled with the death of christ. One week (7 days) after messiah the prince came when he entered jerusalem.

2nd event: And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Fuflilled in AD 70. some 37 years after the end of the 69th week was fulfilled.

the question is, Who is the prince who is to come, we do not know from this yet,, but Daniel is told later

3rd event: The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Fulfilled? Are war desolations of jerusalem still happening? We can say yes, they have since the destruction of the city.. so we can logically determine, these events are still taking place.

4th event[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

Who is he? He must be the "prince who is to come" And he must come from the people who destroyed jerusalem. which is WHY gabriels said the people of the prince who is yet to come (he was not around in the day they destroyed the city) will destroy the city. Otherwise, the comment of the prince who is to come makes no sense.

fulfilled? no one has made a seven year covenant yet. still waiting.


5th event. But in the middle of the week.He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,

He. who is he? the one who makes the covenant. Is He Christ? Christ did not enter the holy of holys, let alone defile it with a pagan unclean thing. (which is what the abomination means) Christ also did not stop sacrifice and offering even after he died. Sacrifice and offering never took away sin, And since the return from exile in babylon. Isreal has continually been in sin anyway,k so their sacrifices were not even seen by God, or blessed from that time on.

Fulfilled? Again, not happened yet, still waiting.

Next event.
Even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.”

Consumation? what consumation? this would be the time of Gods wrath, which is poured out on thei earth, The "time of great tribulation spoken of By Christ.. which shall be like non other seen before this time or after..

Who is the desolate? those who reject Christ.

Fulfilled? still waiting, for what happens when this is complete?

According to christ, his return!
 

zone

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Well I haven't been given any answers to refute the Jews coming back to their homeland, but I note you seem reluctant to answer my question
do you have your notepad handy?
 
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Yes ive done my homework. You brought it up. Now your playing you answer me
or i wont answer you game....look at my age mark...my grandsons play a better game
no you were not hoping id fill you in mark
You do make me smile. You have given me nothing to prove the Jews would not return to their homeland, but you seem to have no idea as to who was responsible for them returning in 1948 and the nation of Israel being born
 
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Abiding

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Well I haven't been given any answers to refute the Jews coming back to their homeland, but I note you seem reluctant to answer my question
I dont care to refute anything you believe.
And yes im reluctant to even talk to you.
Its just too frustriating playing your games
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Its called the full plan of redemption in Christ and Heaven. Can you spell metaphor?
This is where we differ. You see a metaphore. we see a literal fulfillment. this is why we can never find common ground.

but is this worth condemning people to hell??
 
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Abiding

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Right Mark your completely right. im busted. ty
you proved it, your awesome mark did i ever tell you:cool:
 
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do you have your notepad handy?
OH I know, you and Abiding see it through the lens of natural man made events as it were, for you look at it from a humn perspective