Revelation 11:1, 2

[Laodicea]

Revelation 11:1-2 KJV
(1) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
(2) But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.


The temple of God in verse 1 cannot be the temple in Jerusalem because it was destroyed.
Hebrews 8:1-2 KJV
(1) Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
(2) A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

There is a true temple in heaven which the Lord made and not man. The court is where the sacrifices took place, it is also where Jesus died so then the court is the earth. Notice that Rev 11:2 says they shall tread under foot.
Daniel 7:23, 25 KJV
(23) Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
(25) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Time, times and the dividing of times is the same length of time as 42 months. During these 42 prophetic months God's people are persecuted also the holy city is trodden under foot so therefore the holy city is symbolic for God's people not a literal city. For more evidence that it is God's people who are persecuted at this time not a literal city see these verses.
Revelation 12:14-15 KJV
(14) And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
(15) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Revelation 13:5-7 KJV
(5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
(6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
(7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[Laodicea]

Having a correct understanding of Revelation 11:1, 2 will help us better understand the two witnesses and their work.

 

[zone]

Lao...are you gonna tell me summink about 1948?
say so now bud, k?
zonest

 

[Laodicea]

Lao...are you gonna tell me summink about 1948?
say so now bud, k?
zonest

1948 has nothing to do with the 42 months. The kingdom was taken from Israel.

 

[zone]

1948 has nothing to do with the 42 months. The kingdom was taken from Israel.

right on. whew....i tot we was gonna have more dome of the rock weirdness.

but jews can still be saved as individuals.
Christ's Kingdom is for jew and greek.

 

[Laodicea]

So these verses are not about old Jerusalem but, about God's people and the attack on them by the enemy and his forces. It is not about old Jerusalem but, reveals part of the great controversy between Christ and Satan.

 

[Laodicea]

Revelation 11:3-4 KJV
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

The 1260 days mentioned in verse 3 is the same length of time as 42 months. They are clothed in sackcloth because of the persecution to God's people mentioned in verse 2. The 2 witnesses are clearly symbolic because verse 4 tells us who the two witnesses are. Verse 4 is a reference to Zechariah.

Zechariah 4:2-3 KJV
(2) And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
(3) And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1948 has nothing to do with the 42 months. The kingdom was taken from Israel.

Aww come on now Lao. Paul told us gentiles not to boast in ourselves that we have been given anything, And tells us matter of fact that God will give the kingdom back to Isreal.

why does the church like to boast. When Paul warned us not to?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Revelation 11:3-4 KJV
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

The 1260 days mentioned in verse 3 is the same length of time as 42 months. They are clothed in sackcloth because of the persecution to God's people mentioned in verse 2. The 2 witnesses are clearly symbolic because verse 4 tells us who the two witnesses are. Verse 4 is a reference to Zechariah.

Zechariah 4:2-3 KJV
(2) And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
(3) And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

lol..

Witnesses die, and lay on streets

The whole world sees and rejoices over their death

God resurrects them for the whole world to see

you want to make this a symbol and not a reality? Imagine what Great power God could use with this thing happening. How many people will turn from satans kingdom, and enter Gods kingdom!!

 

[Laodicea]

Aww come on now Lao. Paul told us gentiles not to boast in ourselves that we have been given anything, And tells us matter of fact that God will give the kingdom back to Isreal.

why does the church like to boast. When Paul warned us not to?

Jesus said that the kingdom would be taken from them He never mentioned anything about them getting it back. It is not boasting, they can be part of the kingdom of God the same way as everyone else.
Matthew 21:43-45 (KJV)
[SUP]43) [/SUP]Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[SUP]44)[/SUP]And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
[SUP]45) [/SUP]And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

 

[Laodicea]

lol..

Witnesses die, and lay on streets

The whole world sees and rejoices over their death

God resurrects them for the whole world to see

you want to make this a symbol and not a reality? Imagine what Great power God could use with this thing happening. How many people will turn from satans kingdom, and enter Gods kingdom!!

It is symbolic prophecy for literal events. Look at the symbols with an open mind.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is symbolic prophecy for literal events. Look at the symbols with an open mind.

I have, I see no reason to make a symbol of the people.

I see the great power of God in two witnesses (literal people) which will cause many to come to him..

Why would I want to see anything else?

 

[Laodicea]

I have, I see no reason to make a symbol of the people.

I see the great power of God in two witnesses (literal people) which will cause many to come to him..

Why would I want to see anything else?

How do you see verses 1 & 2? Do you see them as literal or symbolic?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Lao...are you gonna tell me summink about 1948?
say so now bud, k?
zonest

adventists prefer 1844...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How do you see verses 1 & 2? Do you see them as literal or symbolic?

literal. the jews have eveything in place, they could start building a new temple tomorrow

of course 100 years ago, I could say the same, but would have less to back my view..

 

[Laodicea]

literal. the jews have eveything in place, they could start building a new temple tomorrow

of course 100 years ago, I could say the same, but would have less to back my view..

Revelation 11:1 cannot be the temple in Jerusalem because it calls it the temple of God. The temple in Jerusalem ceased being God's temple when Jesus died. God's temple is in heaven as other verses in Revelation show.

Revelation 11:1 KJV
(1) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Revelation 11:19 KJV
(19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Revelation 11:1 cannot be the temple in Jerusalem because it calls it the temple of God. The temple in Jerusalem ceased being God's temple when Jesus died. God's temple is in heaven as other verses in Revelation show.

Revelation 11:1 KJV
(1) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Revelation 11:19 KJV
(19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

the temple of jersualem stopped being a temple of God long before jesus came. But yet jesus still considered it his fathers house because of what it represented. for hundreds of years god was not present in the temple because of sin.

I see no biblical proof he was there after Babylonian captivity. isreal was still in sin.

if they built a temple today, it would be no different, it would be seen by them as the temple of God.. even though, because of their sin, god would not be in it.. no different than long before christ's day.

 

[doulos]

Rev 11:1-2 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The above verses tell us that at the time the court was left out and given to the gentiles and that from that time on for 42 months Jerusalem would be tread underfoot (controlled by Gentiles. So even though the gentiles get to control Jerusalem for 42 months they get the court left out for the gentiles forever. It was given, something that is given is a gift. God does not take back the gifts he gives.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
You might also find the following verse interesting;
Eze 42:20 He measured it by the four sides: it had a wall round about, five hundred reeds long, and five hundred broad, to make a separation between the sanctuary and the profane place.
Isn’t it interesting that the dome of the rock stands about 300 feet from the original temple’s location. Could the dome of the rock be Ezkiel’s profane place? Could the dome of the rock be the abomination of desolation?

 

[Laodicea]

Rev 11:1-2 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The above verses tell us that at the time the court was left out and given to the gentiles and that from that time on for 42 months Jerusalem would be tread underfoot (controlled by Gentiles. So even though the gentiles get to control Jerusalem for 42 months they get the court left out for the gentiles forever. It was given, something that is given is a gift. God does not take back the gifts he gives.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
You might also find the following verse interesting;
Eze 42:20 He measured it by the four sides: it had a wall round about, five hundred reeds long, and five hundred broad, to make a separation between the sanctuary and the profane place.
Isn’t it interesting that the dome of the rock stands about 300 feet from the original temple’s location. Could the dome of the rock be Ezkiel’s profane place? Could the dome of the rock be the abomination of desolation?

Revelation 11:1 KJV
(1) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Revelation 11:19 KJV
(19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 11:1 cannot be the temple in Jerusalem because it calls it the temple of God. The temple in Jerusalem ceased being God's temple when Jesus died. God's temple is in heaven as other verses in Revelation show.

 

[Bistabuster]

Revelation 11:3-4 KJV
(3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

The 1260 days mentioned in verse 3 is the same length of time as 42 months. They are clothed in sackcloth because of the persecution to God's people mentioned in verse 2. The 2 witnesses are clearly symbolic because verse 4 tells us who the two witnesses are. Verse 4 is a reference to Zechariah.

Zechariah 4:2-3 KJV
(2) And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
(3) And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

OK. If that is true, then explain this to me. I want to know how people decided that a third of the angels were cast out of heaven with Satan by this one verse. Rev 12:34. I know it's true but how can you prove to me that this verse says so.

This one will pertain indirectly to the two witnesses.