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Hi SavedNblessed
Actually as for me and in my church, we always base on the bible, so it is said that women should cover their head while attending holy meeting, especially at church. So in that case we always cover head. And if u r used to cover your head then continue to do so SavedNblessed, if we are convinced to do it then lets do. But for the others who are not yet convinced to apply it, we cannot juge them and cannot force them to wear it, let only the Holy Spirit do the work.
Bless u all
Actually as for me and in my church, we always base on the bible, so it is said that women should cover their head while attending holy meeting, especially at church. So in that case we always cover head. And if u r used to cover your head then continue to do so SavedNblessed, if we are convinced to do it then lets do. But for the others who are not yet convinced to apply it, we cannot juge them and cannot force them to wear it, let only the Holy Spirit do the work.
Bless u all
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[QUOTE=Abiding;937949]My understanding is that Angels honor God and His order. Head coverings were for a woman to show her submission. [/QUOTE]
Head-covering is far more important is that. From Ephesians 5:21-32, it is apparent that man is a type of Christ and woman is a type of the Church. When a woman covers her head, it figuratively shows to angelic majesties that the Church is under the authority of the Lord Jesus. when the Church does not cover its head, it shows something else, that the Church is in rebellion to the Lord Jesus. That may appear meaningless in the physical world, but the effect of that ordinance on the spiritual world is significant . . .
We know a couple, Roy D. and wife, whose primary ministry for years has been to help demonized Christians to freedom in the Lord Jesus. Roy would work with the afflicted brother or sister while his wife sat in the back of the room praying. He told me that during the course of a deliverance, he sometimes had to take several minutes to state his position and authority in the Lord Jesus before the demons would obey them. After his wife recognized the truth of head-covering and began practicing it, Roy told me that he never had to do that again, that the demons instantly recognized that Roy and his wife were under the authority of the Lord Jesus and consequently had authority over them.
Now that isn't an imaginary story about some unknown people in Tierra del Fuego, I know Roy and his wife personally.
Head-covering is far more important is that. From Ephesians 5:21-32, it is apparent that man is a type of Christ and woman is a type of the Church. When a woman covers her head, it figuratively shows to angelic majesties that the Church is under the authority of the Lord Jesus. when the Church does not cover its head, it shows something else, that the Church is in rebellion to the Lord Jesus. That may appear meaningless in the physical world, but the effect of that ordinance on the spiritual world is significant . . .
We know a couple, Roy D. and wife, whose primary ministry for years has been to help demonized Christians to freedom in the Lord Jesus. Roy would work with the afflicted brother or sister while his wife sat in the back of the room praying. He told me that during the course of a deliverance, he sometimes had to take several minutes to state his position and authority in the Lord Jesus before the demons would obey them. After his wife recognized the truth of head-covering and began practicing it, Roy told me that he never had to do that again, that the demons instantly recognized that Roy and his wife were under the authority of the Lord Jesus and consequently had authority over them.
Now that isn't an imaginary story about some unknown people in Tierra del Fuego, I know Roy and his wife personally.
Hi savedNblessed. I can't help but notice this:
You have a "constant conflict, inside" about head coverings, yet no conflict at all about sitting under a woman pastor???
Isn't the head covering passage all about headship? I won't debate here exactly what it means -- a physical covering showing that headship, or hair being the "covering" to show that headship, or if it means something else. But if you're so convicted about covering your head -- which is supposed to show headship and women being under authority, not in authority -- but have no conviction about sitting under a woman pastor in authority over all the men in the church, then aren't you kinda straining a gnat and swallowing a (nicely adorned) Indian camel?
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You have a "constant conflict, inside" about head coverings, yet no conflict at all about sitting under a woman pastor???
Isn't the head covering passage all about headship? I won't debate here exactly what it means -- a physical covering showing that headship, or hair being the "covering" to show that headship, or if it means something else. But if you're so convicted about covering your head -- which is supposed to show headship and women being under authority, not in authority -- but have no conviction about sitting under a woman pastor in authority over all the men in the church, then aren't you kinda straining a gnat and swallowing a (nicely adorned) Indian camel?
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God bless.
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Please,
I did not threaten her in the least. I PM her to let her know the amazing work that God has done in my life -- and all without a veil on my head. God is working in my life. To call something from God to be not from God is a grave sin. I was just cautioning her in Christ. I am no longer going to be part of this thread. God bless!
I did not threaten her in the least. I PM her to let her know the amazing work that God has done in my life -- and all without a veil on my head. God is working in my life. To call something from God to be not from God is a grave sin. I was just cautioning her in Christ. I am no longer going to be part of this thread. God bless!
S
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, by starting this thread, my intention was to just get some insight, with Biblical proof, on this topic of ”women covering their heads in church” which I so wrongly had classified as a cultural difference. I can't make people do something. That's beyond my control. I agree I can get aggressive at times and I'm sorry for that behavior. My motive was to spread awareness (sow). I guess people aren't aware of this topic as much in US as they are in India. Maybe because no one talks about it over here. Like Professor, there are many new believers, who don't even know about it. So I was led just to maybe bring it to attention again. I'm really sorry if I've disrespected someone.
”So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.”-1 Corinthians 3:7
All glory and honor to God!!
”So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.”-1 Corinthians 3:7
All glory and honor to God!!
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savedNblessed, you are right in your understanding of the veil.
what you agreed you didn't know would happen would be that there was resistence.
understanding of how it happened (if you don't already know - apologies if you do):
following a Vatican council/conference (late 50's? i'll have to check), a reporter ambushed a cardinal (i believe) with the question (pp):
"what about veils for women? do they still have to wear them"?
the representative simply said the issue hadn't been addressed, but the press ran the story worldwide that the veil was no longer required. and that was the end of that.
(i'm about to wear my own during services, and have discussed it with my pastor).
God Bless
zone
btw: you'll get the anti-works righteousness spiel - no worries.
what you agreed you didn't know would happen would be that there was resistence.
understanding of how it happened (if you don't already know - apologies if you do):
following a Vatican council/conference (late 50's? i'll have to check), a reporter ambushed a cardinal (i believe) with the question (pp):
"what about veils for women? do they still have to wear them"?
the representative simply said the issue hadn't been addressed, but the press ran the story worldwide that the veil was no longer required. and that was the end of that.
(i'm about to wear my own during services, and have discussed it with my pastor).
God Bless
zone
btw: you'll get the anti-works righteousness spiel - no worries.
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I can not agree more. My heart grieves when I see this nation like this. All the other nations looked at US as the "promised land", so did we(I and my family) when we first moved here. But that mind-set changed over the last ten years. Mostly every youth I come across and talk to suffers with some kind of an addiction, just like me. The marriage has lost it's sanctity. Pre-marital sex is a norm and if you decide to abstain from it, then you are looked down upon. Media, has played a key role in all this. Plus, all the prosperity preachers with their watered down versions of Gospel, has many souls mislead. But to tell you the truth, this is all around the globe. So many of my friends, back in India, has stopped covering their heads in church just because, Americans and Europeans don't do it. I pray - that's all I can do and that's all is needed.
A
Lol @ Therapon. *poke*
So if the Israelites had wore doilies on their heads then it would have had the same effect on the death angel(s) as the blood of lambs did in your view right?
Well, the ambiguous “destroyer” of the firstborn (Ex 12:23) looks to be Yahweh Himself.
2 "On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn--both men and animals--and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord.
13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
So much for that correlation.
So if the Israelites had wore doilies on their heads then it would have had the same effect on the death angel(s) as the blood of lambs did in your view right?
Well, the ambiguous “destroyer” of the firstborn (Ex 12:23) looks to be Yahweh Himself.
2 "On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn--both men and animals--and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord.
13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
So much for that correlation.
That's straightforward rebellion and not the spirit of a Christian.
"It is not fancy hair, gold jewelry, or fine clothes that should make you beautiful. No, your beauty should come from within you -- the beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit that will never be destroyed and is very precious to God." 1 Peter 3:3-4
"It is not fancy hair, gold jewelry, or fine clothes that should make you beautiful. No, your beauty should come from within you -- the beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit that will never be destroyed and is very precious to God." 1 Peter 3:3-4
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