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okay.

first, where the idea of a distinct division in time and purpose, a "Dispensation of Grace" (the way Bullinger and others use it) came from:

Colossians 1:25
New International Version (©1984)
I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness--

New Living Translation (©2007)
God has given me the responsibility of serving his church by proclaiming his entire message to you.

English Standard Version (©2001)
of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
I have become its servant, according to God's administration that was given to me for you, to make God's message fully known,

International Standard Version (©2012)
I became its servant as God commissioned me to work for you, so that I may complete my ministry of the word of God.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Of which I am a Minister, according to the administration of God which is given to me among you, that I would fulfill the word of God,

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I became a servant of the church when God gave me the work of telling you his entire message.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Of which I am made a minister, according to the commission of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;

American King James Version
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;

American Standard Version
whereof I was made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which was given me to you-ward, to fulfil the word of God,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whereof I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God, which is given me towards you, that I may fulfil the word of God:

Darby Bible Translation
of which I became minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given me towards you to complete the word of God,

English Revised Version
whereof I was made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which was given me to you-ward, to fulfill the word of God,

Webster's Bible Translation
Of which I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;

Weymouth New Testament
I have been appointed to serve the Church in the position of responsibility entrusted to me by God for your benefit, so that I may fully deliver God's Message--

World English Bible
of which I was made a servant, according to the stewardship of God which was given me toward you, to fulfill the word of God,

Young's Literal Translation
of which I -- I did become a ministrant according to the dispensation of God, that was given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God,



oikonomia: stewardship, administration
Original Word: οἰκονομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: oikonomia
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kon-om-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: stewardship
Definition: management of household affairs, stewardship, administration.

3622 oikonomía (from 3621 /oikonoméō, "a steward, managing a household") – properly, a stewardship, management (administration), i.e. where a person looks after another's affairs (resources).

[A "dispensation" can also refer to a special period of time (management). But this is a secondary (not primary) meaning of 3622 (oikonomía).]




the only thing Paul is saying, is that he was authorized to DISPENSE, to ADMINISTER The Gospel.

Weymouth New Testament
I have been appointed to serve the Church in the position of responsibility entrusted to me by God for your benefit, so that I may fully deliver God's Message.


cont....
oikonomia - the law or arrangement of a house or stewardship. . .a regime or ordering of affairs which God institutes at any given time

Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God. . . or given the stewardship of administering the mystery which was HID from ages and from generations, but NOW is made manifest to his saints. . .and which now includes the Gentiles.

Ephesians 3:2 Concerning the dispensation of grace of God which is given me to you-ward. .v1) for you Gentiles. Paul was given the stewardship of the grace of God for the Gentiles. . .


Adam was given the "stewardship" over Eden until he fell. . .that age/dispensation is over . . .
Moses had the "stewardship" over the Law. . . that age/dispensation is over . . .
The "church" has the "stewardship" of grace. . . which we are now in. . .

Do we disregard any of the above? Nope. . For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

There is a right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth and with it comes understanding.
 
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oikonomia - the law or arrangement of a house or stewardship. . .a regime or ordering of affairs which God institutes at any given time

Colossians 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God. . . or given the stewardship of administering the mystery which was HID from ages and from generations, but NOW is made manifest to his saints. . .and which now includes the Gentiles.

Ephesians 3:2 Concerning the dispensation of grace of God which is given me to you-ward. .v1) for you Gentiles. Paul was given the stewardship of the grace of God for the Gentiles. . .


Adam was given the "stewardship" over Eden until he fell. . .that age/dispensation is over . . .
Moses had the "stewardship" over the Law. . . that age/dispensation is over . . .
The "church" has the "stewardship" of grace. . . which we are now in. . .

Do we disregard any of the above? Nope. . For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

There is a right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth and with it comes understanding.

Nice explanation. Simple and to the point
 

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Adam was given the "stewardship" over Eden until he fell. . .that age/dispensation is over . . .
Moses had the "stewardship" over the Law. . . that age/dispensation is over . . .
The "church" has the "stewardship" of grace. . . which we are now in. . .

Do we disregard any of the above? Nope. . For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

There is a right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth and with it comes understanding.
that is Scofieldism.

"right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" IS NOT CUTTING UP or DIVIDING God's dealing with men according to different ways of being saved or teaching, as Dispensationalism says.

""right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" means JUST THIS:


2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.




handling God's word properly!

NOT CUTTING UP TIME INTO DIFFERENT DISPENSATIONS! that's complete error.

i recommend finding out how this happened, because i'll tell you its a tangled web that most people never rescue themselves from. it's the most amazing stronghold i have ever seen.

a blinding happens once you take that route. i would absolutely without delay throw away the Bullinger and Scofield Bibles and get an ESV study Bible.

but, i know very very few ill ever make it out of the Dispensational web.

maybe consider reading the devastating work by a FORMER Dispensationalist.



Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth by Dr. John Gerstner


Dispensationalism is the majority report among evangelical Christians in America today. Tens of millions of Christians are committed to this perspective on the Bible and history. Sadly, they are generally so indulgent in this view that they seem little aware of alternative evangelical approaches to Scripture.




In this devastating critique of dispensationalism, noted historian and biblical scholar John H. Gerstner, Ph.D. (Harvard), focuses on several of dispensationalism’s leading errors. He demonstrates that dispensationalism not only provides a prophetic scheme for interpreting history, but a whole new theology that makes serious alterations to evangelical doctrine.




Gerstner, a former dispensationalist himself, carefully demonstrates through abundant citation of original sources that dispensationalism promotes dubious evangelicalism, spurious Calvinism, and overt antinomianism. In this edition he also replies at length to his dispensational critics.
 
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that is Scofieldism.

"right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" IS NOT CUTTING UP or DIVIDING God's dealing with men according to different ways of being saved or teaching, as Dispensationalism says.

""right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" means JUST THIS:


2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.




handling God's word properly!

NOT CUTTING UP TIME INTO DIFFERENT DISPENSATIONS! that's complete error.

i recommend finding out how this happened, because i'll tell you its a tangled web that most people never rescue themselves from. it's the most amazing stronghold i have ever seen.

a blinding happens once you take that route. i would absolutely without delay throw away the Bullinger and Scofield Bibles and get an ESV study Bible.

but, i know very very few ill ever make it out of the Dispensational web.

maybe consider reading the devastating work by a FORMER Dispensationalist.



Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth by Dr. John Gerstner


Dispensationalism is the majority report among evangelical Christians in America today. Tens of millions of Christians are committed to this perspective on the Bible and history. Sadly, they are generally so indulgent in this view that they seem little aware of alternative evangelical approaches to Scripture.




In this devastating critique of dispensationalism, noted historian and biblical scholar John H. Gerstner, Ph.D. (Harvard), focuses on several of dispensationalism’s leading errors. He demonstrates that dispensationalism not only provides a prophetic scheme for interpreting history, but a whole new theology that makes serious alterations to evangelical doctrine.




Gerstner, a former dispensationalist himself, carefully demonstrates through abundant citation of original sources that dispensationalism promotes dubious evangelicalism, spurious Calvinism, and overt antinomianism. In this edition he also replies at length to his dispensational critics.
I told ya she would go back to scofield.

Even though Scripture is PLAIN that God did adminster blessings on earth different ways through different people or means all through the history of mankind. and I guess we are evil because we happen to look at the way he did it, and made a chart of it..
 

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THIS THREAD has become a Miscellaneous Thread (it went to Limited Atonement and who knows what early on)....so rather than make another thread on Dispensationalism, and have it turn into something else,

whatever conversations are happening here are what they are. including baptism.
 

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I told ya she would go back to scofield.

Even though Scripture is PLAIN that God did adminster blessings on earth different ways through different people or means all through the history of mankind. and I guess we are evil because we happen to look at the way he did it, and made a chart of it..
"she" would go back to Scofield?
i wonder why ppl want bury for years that they are really Scofieldians....until the rubber meets the road.

i didn't invent it, and i didn't invent opposition to it.
i'm passing on the ALTERNATIVE.

ppl can take it or leave it.
 
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"she" would go back to Scofield?
i wonder why ppl want bury for years that they are really Scofieldians....until the rubber meets the road.
I wonder why people want to bury for years their doctrine comes from the severe anti-semetism of the roman church?

Zone this argument is getting nuts.. we both can say each others beliefs come from something, but that does not mean it does. You saying we believe in scofieldism, and me saying you believe in romanism (which is what it is) is not going to help anyone come to the truth. All it does is pit brothers and sisters against each other, and makes us look like fools. (yes I am including myself in there)


i didn't invent it, and i didn't invent opposition to it.
i'm passing on the ALTERNATIVE.

ppl can take it or leave it.
As I am passing on the alternative.. God keeps his promises, and his prophesies DO COME TRUE. whether we like them or not.
 

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I told ya she would go back to scofield.

Even though Scripture is PLAIN that God did adminster blessings on earth different ways through different people or means all through the history of mankind. and I guess we are evil because we happen to look at the way he did it, and made a chart of it..
what do you say about this?

"right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" IS NOT CUTTING UP or DIVIDING God's dealing with men according to different ways of being saved or teaching, as Dispensationalism says.

""right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" means JUST THIS:


2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.



is that what it says or isn't it?


and
we already saw Paul wasn't talking about a dispensation of TIME or purpose in Colossians either...but about his authority to administer or dispense the Word of God, which is about His Grace.
 

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I wonder why people want to bury for years their doctrine comes from the severe anti-semetism of the roman church?
puke.

Zone this argument is getting nuts.. we both can say each others beliefs come from something, but that does not mean it does. You saying we believe in scofieldism, and me saying you believe in romanism (which is what it is) is not going to help anyone come to the truth. All it does is pit brothers and sisters against each other, and makes us look like fools. (yes I am including myself in there)
then stop posting.
you might look like a fool. that's your problem.

As I am passing on the alternative.. God keeps his promises, and his prophesies DO COME TRUE. whether we like them or not.
God did keep His Promise.
His Name is Jesus.

bye then
 
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what do you say about this?

"right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" IS NOT CUTTING UP or DIVIDING God's dealing with men according to different ways of being saved or teaching, as Dispensationalism says.

""right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" means JUST THIS:


2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.



is that what it says or isn't it?


and
we already saw Paul wasn't talking about a dispensation of TIME or purpose in Colossians either...but about his authority to administer or dispense the Word of God, which is about His Grace.
No. What we saw was Paul was given the right to administer the word in this MYSTERY AGE, which he called the AGE OF GRACE.

yes, should we not rightly divide the word of truth? and not make it up as we go along?
 
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lol.. Yep. which is what I say every time you claim I believe in scofield.. But I am not allowed to think that

hypocrite anyone?



then stop posting. you might look like a fool. that's your problem.

You think I am going to let you post lies about peoples beliefs and just let you get away with it without showing what we really believe? Think again,


God did keep His Promise. His Name is Jesus.

He made alot more promises than this.
 

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lol.. Yep. which is what I say every time you claim I believe in scofield.. But I am not allowed to think that

hypocrite anyone?
you just said a few posts back you do.


You think I am going to let you post lies about peoples beliefs and just let you get away with it without showing what we really believe? Think again,
what people and what lies?

that's fine. if you want to keep posting.

let's do this here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/59259-jews-gentiles-church-during-millenium.html < click

or here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/59097-pre-millennialism-chiliaism-2.html < click

post 36 & 37

show me what you really believe using posts 36 & 37.


He made alot more promises than this.
promises more than Jesus you mean? eternal life with God through Christ?

okay....go to either of those other threads and discuss the Land Promise (which has nothing to do with salvation you say).


show me what you really believe
 
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you just said a few posts back you do.
I never said I believe in scofieldism. I came out from under that lie 20 years ago.

what people and what lies?

Your lies against what we really believe.


And I have showed you 100 times. You still don;t get it.. You keep telling me to answer, when I have.. yet you CONTINUE to say I do not believe what I believe..
 

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yes, should we not rightly divide the word of truth? and not make it up as we go along?
you should quit saying things like this because if by the Grace of God you ever do come out from under this, these kinds of remarks will be burning in your ears.

No. What we saw was Paul was given the right to administer the word in this MYSTERY AGE, which he called the AGE OF GRACE.
yes i know that's what YOU saw.

what Mystery Age? what Age of Grace?

No. What we saw was Paul was given the right to administer the word in this MYSTERY AGE, which he called the AGE OF GRACE.


show Paul claiming a Mystery Age of Grace!



see, if you quit getting your information from footnotes and extra biblical sources and appendixes and charts, you wouldn't have CUT UP the whole thing, thinking RIGHTLY DIVIDING means cutting up instead of handling properly.

here's the Mystery, which isn't a mystery at all:

Colossians 1
Paul’s Ministry to the Church

24Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church, 25of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. 27To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ. 29For this I toil, struggling with all his energy that he powerfully works within me.


what you don't get and no dispie gets is that there is ONE CHURCH.
jew first, then gentile.

not some stupid Plan A to Plan B back to Plan A.

it was always Plan A.

the mystery part being two-fold:

that the gentiles would be fellow heirs with the NOT CUT OFF BRANCHES....through what? THE GOSPEL.

not some loose end Land Deal.


Ephesians 2
The Mystery of the Gospel Revealed

1For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles— 2assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3how the mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have written briefly. 4When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. 6This mystery isa that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

7Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God’s grace, which was given me by the working of his power. 8To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages inb God who created all things, 10so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in him. 13So I ask you not to lose heart over what I am suffering for you, which is your glory.



and that God was revealing through the Church and in the Church (jew and gentile, not some ridiculous parenthetical blip on the radar-mystery-gentile-church because God has to scramble to fix it when the Pharisees rejected Jesus) HIS WISDOM TO principalities and powers HIS PLAN:

what Mystery?:

Colossians 1
The Preeminence of Christ

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For byf him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

21And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creationg under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.


oh....JESUS and His Preeminence.

it's all about JESUS, not the State of Israel or some bizarre time slot for Gentiles then back to Plan A!

who knew?

Colossians 2:2 My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ

anyways....i'll look for this on the other threads.
 
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I never said I believe in scofieldism. I came out from under that lie 20 years ago.

I told ya she would go back to scofield.


Even though Scripture is PLAIN that God did adminster blessings on earth different ways through different people or means all through the history of mankind. and I guess we are evil because we happen to look at the way he did it, and made a chart of it..


Your lies against
what we really believe.

And I have showed you 100 times. You still don;t get it.. You keep telling me to answer, when I have.. yet you CONTINUE to say I do not believe what I believe..
scofield.

Even though Scripture is PLAIN that God did adminster blessings on earth different ways through different people or means all through the history of mankind. and I guess we are evil because we happen to look at the way he did it, and made a chart of it..
you believe the same as him
with a few variations. easy to identify them also.
 
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that is Scofieldism.

"right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" IS NOT CUTTING UP or DIVIDING God's dealing with men according to different ways of being saved or teaching, as Dispensationalism says.

""right dividing or right cutting of the word of truth" means JUST THIS:


2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.


handling God's word properly!

NOT CUTTING UP TIME INTO DIFFERENT DISPENSATIONS! that's complete error.
i recommend finding out how this happened, because i'll tell you its a tangled web that most people never rescue themselves from. it's the most amazing stronghold i have ever seen.

a blinding happens once you take that route. i would absolutely without delay throw away the Bullinger and Scofield Bibles and get an ESV study Bible.

but, i know very very few ill ever make it out of the Dispensational web.

maybe consider reading the devastating work by a FORMER Dispensationalist.

Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth by Dr. John Gerstner

Dispensationalism is the majority report among evangelical Christians in America today. Tens of millions of Christians are committed to this perspective on the Bible and history. Sadly, they are generally so indulgent in this view that they seem little aware of alternative evangelical approaches to Scripture.

In this devastating critique of dispensationalism, noted historian and biblical scholar John H. Gerstner, Ph.D. (Harvard), focuses on several of dispensationalism’s leading errors. He demonstrates that dispensationalism not only provides a prophetic scheme for interpreting history, but a whole new theology that makes serious alterations to evangelical doctrine.

Gerstner, a former dispensationalist himself, carefully demonstrates through abundant citation of original sources that dispensationalism promotes dubious evangelicalism, spurious Calvinism, and overt antinomianism. In this edition he also replies at length to his dispensational critics.
I do want to say that I had to look up who Scofield was. . .

Not recognizing that different laws, rules, whatever you want to call them, are different for different time periods IS handling the word of God IMproperly. Study the word orthotomeo and see for yourself if it does not mean to cut straight - a straight cutting.

Watch what Jesus did: Luke 4:17-21 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book. . . .This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Have you ever compared what he read with Isaiah 61:2? He didn't finish with - and the day of vengeance of our God -

Wonder why? That administration/dispensation is to come so he couldn't say that "this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears"
if he included "and the day of vengeance of our God" - Is that orthotomeo - a right cutting?

I do want to say though -- I have not and hopefully I won't condemn what you believe but have only presented my beliefs which just happen to be different than yours
 
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you believe the same as him
with a few variations. easy to identify them also.
And you believe the same as Rome, with no variations..

Again. what good is this type of discussion. It will get us no where. why can't we just discuss scripture with out attacking each other with things which do not matter..
 
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I do want to say that I had to look up who Scofield was. . .

Not recognizing that different laws, rules, whatever you want to call them, are different for different time periods IS handling the word of God IMproperly. Study the word orthotomeo and see for yourself if it does not mean to cut straight - a straight cutting.

Watch what Jesus did: Luke 4:17-21 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book. . . .This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Have you ever compared what he read with Isaiah 61:2? He didn't finish with - and the day of vengeance of our God -

Wonder why? That administration/dispensation is to come so he couldn't say that "this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears"
if he included "and the day of vengeance of our God" - Is that orthotomeo - a right cutting?

Have you ever compared what he read with Isaiah 61:2? He didn't finish with - and the day of vengeance of our God -

Wonder why?
That administration/dispensation is to come so he couldn't say that "this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears"
if he included "and the day of vengeance of our God" - Is that orthotomeo - a right cutting?
because Judgement Day, or 70AD was not yet.
of course He stopped there.

He said the part He read was fullfilled that day.

that He had come to fulfill THE PROMISE.

so, what did He leave out?

a DISPENSATION of a 1,000 year earthly rule using a combination of Mosaic Law and Judaic Glory and Gentile Christians and Grace from Old Jerusalem?

show me that!:) show me that please!

if you have such a minute cutting and dividing of the Times, you ought to have a very precise explanation for that 1,000 years.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/59097-pre-millennialism-chiliaism-2.html < click

please go to this thread and specifically address posts 36 & 37.

if you can show me what happens in the Millennium, and what it is for, we can talk about it.

please go there, because it's the next step in this discussion.



if you have a dispensation ahead, please show me what it is...use Bullinger or Scofield or any other sources you have. please don't just quote mine scripture....also provide the sources you are actually using to come to your conclusions.

thanks.
 
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And you believe the same as Rome, with no variations..
Again. what good is this type of discussion.
what are you doing here then?
if you don't like "this type of discussion" start a type you do like.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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what are you doing here then?
if you don't like "this type of discussion" start a type you do like.
lol.. Yeah, it would be a BAD thing if we just discussed the word of God, and not what people long since dead believed..

Can't have that now can we..