Jews, Gentiles, And The Church During the Millenium

[zone]

The millenium is only for the bride and the bridegroom alone.

hmmm......so all the unsaved were already thrown into the lake of fire?
if not, where are they?

what's the ending part of the Millennium in your scenario, do you mind if i ask?

what passage or two best describes the very end of "The millenium [which] is only for the bride and the bridegroom alone."?

 

[zone]

The 1000 years has not begun yet.

Rv20;1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

If you are in a bottomless pit in a prison and shut up,, chained and sealed with a key, how can you walketh about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. You cannot deceive nations or tempt individuals or do anything, if you are in a bottomless pit in a prison and shut up,, chained and sealed with a key.


The 1000 years has not begun yet as the devil is still loose , and walketh about, as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour:


1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

hey Peter...
are you saved?
do you have a Savior?
do you have a King?
seriously.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

hahaha.....ok

you made Jesus The Lord of your life.
how did you do that exactly?

doesn't He have to be Lord in order for you to do that?
how did you make Him anything?

Acts 2:36
Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus.

so, it was not you who made Jesus anything, was it?

God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus

so we see that God made Jesus Lord.
did He make Jesus Lord for Israel also?

Acts 2:36
Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

yes, it says He did.
doesn't it?

and what else did God (not you or me or paul or anybody else) make Him to be for Israel?

Acts 2:36
Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

both Lord and Christ

so Jesus was made both Lord and Christ for Israel.
what is Christ?

Christos: the Anointed One, Messiah, Christ
Original Word: Χριστός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Christos
Phonetic Spelling: (khris-tos')
Short Definition: Anointed One, the Messiah, the Christ
Definition: Anointed One; the Messiah, the Christ.

so their Messiah DID come.
their Lord DID come.

Excuse me for using the wrong words. . .I confessed Jesus as Lord. . . .

was he not made King also?

let's see....

Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Acts 13:23
Of this man’s [king David's] offspring God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised.

did God bring to Israel from the House of David, a Lord, a Savior, the Messiah as He promised?

it says He did...not that He will later, or that His Plans were thwarted.

it says He did what He PROMISED.

so did God make Jesus King also, or do we make Jesus the "king of our hearts"?

Matthew 2:2
and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

were the Magi wrong?
they said Jesus was born a King.
and they worshipped Him.

did they just make Him "king of their hearts"?

Matthew 21:5
Say to the Daughter of Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.'"

what went wrong? did Israel not know?
did everybody get it wrong?

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation is he, humble and mounted on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

no, it says God told them this would happen.
and that the King would come.

what did The King come bringing to Israel?

Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation is he

did Jesus do everything He was supposed to do?

did the people have advance knowledge their Lord and Messiah and Savior would come?
was it foretold to them while they were in captivity awaiting their Deliverer?


Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

if Daniel 9 is not fulfilled, you do not have a Lord of your life, no king in your heart, and no salvation.

and this all went TO ISRAEL FIRST.

those who remained and entered the new Covenant he made with them remained and we know them as the Church.
those who didn't remain were cut off.

gentiles were grafted in.

One faith, One Lord, One people, One church, One Plan, One Gospel.

does anything at all that is in this post suggest to you that Israel or anyone else has anything remaining that God did not fulfill on THEIR behalf?

please tell me what the future 1,000 years IS FOR.

Is Jesus king NOW? Why did he teach the disciples to pray. . . Our Father which art in heaven hallowed be thy name. . .thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. . .

Jesus WILL BE KING when everything is subdued unto him . . .

Salvation was first to the Jews (Is that plan A, lol). . .For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Most Jews denied him - those that were cut off were cut off because of unbelief (v20) and the Gentile also will be cut off because of unbelief. . .And Israel if they abide not still in unbelief will be grafted in. . . For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in and so all Israel shall be saved . . . .wonder when they get that chance?

 

[zone]

Excuse me for using the wrong words. . .I confessed Jesus as Lord. . . .

Is Jesus king NOW? Why did he teach the disciples to pray. . . Our Father which art in heaven hallowed be thy name. . .thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. . .

Jesus WILL BE KING when everything is subdued unto him . . .

Salvation was first to the Jews (Is that plan A, lol). . .For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Most Jews denied him - those that were cut off were cut off because of unbelief (v20) and the Gentile also will be cut off because of unbelief. . .And Israel if they abide not still in unbelief will be grafted in. . . For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in and so all Israel shall be saved . . . .wonder when they get that chance?

okay...so i wasted all that time.
no big deal
thanks anyways.

 

[RedTent]

To add another aspect to this, think about how people understood the prophets in ages past. The wisest and most learned men in the Holy Land knew the Messiah was coming, and told all about what scripture said about it. Yet they didn’t even recognize Him when He came, it wasn’t like what they thought scripture said. Prophecy has always given a general idea, and can be recognized after it happens, but it also does not give the particulars of how it will happen. God seems to want us to simply trust Him for that.

But I think this scriptureis interesting, having to do with the Jews in the last days:
Zech: 8:23 “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”’”

 

[zone]

To add another aspect to this, think about how people understood the prophets in ages past. The wisest and most learned men in the Holy Land knew the Messiah was coming, and told all about what scripture said about it. Yet they didn’t even recognize Him when He came, it wasn’t like what they thought scripture said. Prophecy has always given a general idea, and can be recognized after it happens, but it also does not give the particulars of how it will happen. God seems to want us to simply trust Him for that.

But I think this scriptureis interesting, having to do with the Jews in the last days:
Zech: 8:23 “Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”’”

redtent,
honestly. just take a good look at that.
is there any reason you can think of why if that were about the last days (meaning our future i presume) the people wouldn't be taking hold of the sleeve of a Christian man?

why would anyone take hold of the sleeve of an non-christian-jewish man and say God is with you?

do you truly and honestly not believe Jesus?

John 14:7
Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

seriously.
Zechariah 8:23 was fulfilled a long time ago.

 

[RedTent]

redtent,
honestly. just take a good look at that.
is there any reason you can think of why if that were about the last days (meaning our future i presume) the people wouldn't be taking hold of the sleeve of a Christian man?

why would anyone take hold of the sleeve of an non-christian-jewish man and say God is with you?

do you truly and honestly not believe Jesus?

John 14:7
Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

seriously.
Zechariah 8:23 was fulfilled a long time ago.

In Romans, chapter 11 we find that the Jew's rejection is not final.

Where do you find that Zechariah 8:23 was fulfilled, never to happen again?

 

[zone]

In Romans, chapter 11 we find that the Jew's rejection is not final.

Where do you find that Zechariah 8:23 was fulfilled, never to happen again?

and they have been being saved ever since.

Romans 11:5
So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.

that was in Paul's day.
he was a Jew.

Zechariah 8:23 was fulfilled, never to happen again?

lol.

 

[peterT]

hey Peter...
are you saved?
do you have a Savior?
do you have a King?
seriously.

Hay zone

What’s that go to do with the devil, walking about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.
Or in a bottomless pit in a prison and shut up,, chained and sealed with a key. For a 1000 years?

 

[zone]

Hay zone

What’s that go to do with the devil, walking about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.
Or in a bottomless pit in a prison and shut up,, chained and sealed with a key. For a 1000 years?

walking about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour has nothing to do with the one thing he was "bound" from doing.
bye

 

[tribesman]

...lol.

Either dual covenant or just wishful thinking.

 

[peterT]

walking about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour has nothing to do with the one thing he was "bound" from doing.
bye

If he is bound NOW zone, what was life like before he was bound? (scripture)

Nothing has changed when it comes to the devil in 6000 years, so how is he bound NOW? and in a bottomless pit in a prison and shut up,, chained and sealed with a key? If he is reeking just as much havoc now as he ever did.

 

[peterT]

walking about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour has nothing to do with the one thing he was "bound" from doing.
bye

He was "bound" from deserving the nations, so if he is bound NOW zone what’s changed with the nations when it come s to them being deserved ?

I will tell you what’s changed NOTHING.

He is still just as buzzy as a bee as he ever was, up to nonsense

 

[shedrach]

Making Jesus our Saviour is the most important thing
psalm 91

 

[shedrach]

SHALOM.
MAOT CHITTIM.......WHEAT MONEY

 

[peacefulbeliever]

okay...so i wasted all that time.
no big deal
thanks anyways.

No, I would not say that you wasted your time. . .it may not have profited me. . .but there are others reading and it may be a profit for someone else. None of our work in scripture is a waste of time. By comparing the two beliefs, we both set up differing views and possibly help someone who is struggling in this area.

I will start work on the other thread today.

Thanks, patience

 

[loveme1]

Isaiah 1

Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.15And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.16Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;17Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.19If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:20But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

I enjoy that saying "let us reason together".

 

[zone]

If he is bound NOW zone, what was life like before he was bound? (scripture)

Nothing has changed when it comes to the devil in 6000 years, so how is he bound NOW? and in a bottomless pit in a prison and shut up,, chained and sealed with a key? If he is reeking just as much havoc now as he ever did.

peter....what did the scriptures say Jesus went around doing?
casting out actual literal unclean demons from ISRAEL and surrounds.
healing people satan had bound.

destroying the works of the devil.
i wonder if you believe that Jesus is more powerful than satan.

He gave his disciples and apostles the authority and POWER from on High to do the SAME....don't you believe what you READ?

and for you...today...as a minister of the Word to unbelievers....the Gospel has the power unto salvation! that means it has the power to destroy the works of the devil in keeping men from salvation!

go to your favorite, pet passage Rev 20 and read AGAIN what it is he is bound from doing.
please don't ask me about this or bother with it until you read that passage again SLOWLY.

now if you do not believe it about today, you can NOT POSSIBLY apply it to a future Millennium!
where Jesus is supposedly here, in Person reigning and all men know of Him!!!

 

[RedTent]

Making Jesus our Saviour is the most important thing
psalm 91

According to scripture the most important thing is to love the Lord and others. Mark 12:30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. Loving the Lord includes Christ.

According to Revelations as it talks of the seven churches, our churches are often failing. Why should we bad mouth the Jews? It is the mud in our own eye we are to look at instead. All this “we are superior”talk is not biblical.

Gen 12:3 I will bless them that bless you, and curse him that curses you: and in you shall all families of the earth be blessed.

They are blind to Christ,the bible tells us that. Christ has been since the world began, and also came in the flesh. That is biblical. They do not deny Christ as He was in the beginning, they are denying the Messiah in Christ as He came to us in the flesh as our Savior. We have the Holy Spirit. That is to lead us in letting God take care of the Jews. We are to see the good in all we observe. If your eye is so filled with judgment then you cannot see what God has taught of Himself through the Jews. The evil you do is cutting you out of the good that is offered by our Lord.

Luther taught that the Jews were so bad that it was even OK to kill rabbis. It is wrong to kill, and to judge. The Lutherans have been used by God for good,but in that they have been wrong.

I know, Christians against Jews is the most popular way to believe. But the more I study scripture, the word of God, the more I think that is the wrong way to think of them. It is even leading our churches into other errors in understanding.

 

[crosspreacher]

hmmm......so all the unsaved were already thrown into the lake of fire?
if not, where are they?

what's the ending part of the Millennium in your scenario, do you mind if i ask?

what passage or two best describes the very end of "The millenium [which] is only for the bride and the bridegroom alone."?

Rev 20 vs 5:
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
The ending part consist of judgement