WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN THE BIRTH PAINS???

[homwardbound]

I think with all the evil in this world.. this should be prety obvious..

And the prince of this world has been judged
John 16:11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
Ever since the resurrection awesome

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And the prince of this world has been judged
John 16:11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
Ever since the resurrection awesome

There is a HUGE difference between standing condemned, awaiting to be put in jail. And not having power to still roam.. The devil sneaks like a ravin lion seeking who he may devour.

 

[loveme1]

the end comes to pass for each of us, when each of us is laid in the grave.
i'll talk to you privately about my reading of Revelation (what i believe remains), or post another day.
not about to bother with that here.

meanwhile:

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

that's how it ends.
zone

I would welcome that pm.

 

[loveme1]

because they do not understand scripture, and want to try to make things happen so they can seem to be a part of it?

Ans until Isreal is restored, the city is no longer desolate. and ALL ISREAL is saved.. Dan 9 is not accomplished.

why do people want to replace physical isreal with spiritual isreal.. who were never promised ANY of the things promised physical Israel?

Oh wait I know.. they want to be special. And looked up to. and disregard a people who even God himself said would rebel and mess up. We have eternal life, and will be spending eternity in heaven. why would we have so much hate over a time when we will probably not even be around. and has nothing to do with our eternity? lets let God worry about the future. and let us worry about spreading the gospel. or is this to hard for some people?

EG, do you believe that those people in the land now must all accept the Messiah?

 

[loveme1]

The promises are Kept by the Almighty it was the people that broke their side by Rebelling.

Does anyone consider that the physical came to pass and now we worship in spirit and Truth like the Messiah taught bringing in the everlasting Covenant.

I believe coming to pass regarding the land is going to bring in the harvest.

Those people trying to restore the physical would accept someone that was a descendant of King David or claimed to be a descendant.... and in Rebellion try to claim him their "messiah" that they physically await...

The Messiah came and will return like it is written, in the mean time the world is in Rebellion trying to govern itself.

Those that believe they have a 'birth right' be it the Jews or the Muslims continuing with their physical quest under their religions.....

What i want to remind you of here is:

Luke 23

12And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG, do you believe that those people in the land now must all accept the Messiah?

if they want to get to heaven like you and I, YES! if they want to continue on a path which leads to hell.. that's up to them.. we should be encouraging them to believe the true gospel. not the law which will lead them to hell..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The promises are Kept by the Almighty it was the people that broke their side by Rebelling.

Does anyone consider that the physical came to pass and now we worship in spirit and Truth like the Messiah taught bringing in the everlasting Covenant.

I believe coming to pass regarding the land is going to bring in the harvest.

Those people trying to restore the physical would accept someone that was a descendant of King David or claimed to be a descendant.... and in Rebellion try to claim him their "messiah" that they physically await...

The Messiah came and will return like it is written, in the mean time the world is in Rebellion trying to govern itself.

Those that believe they have a 'birth right' be it the Jews or the Muslims continuing with their physical quest under their religions.....

What i want to remind you of here is:

Luke 23

mankind has been trying to retake control of nature and things there own way since adam first sinned, it has been a futile effort. even with all the science we have, we still can not take control, and even in some cases have made things worse.

the author of Hebrews says all things were put under control of Christ. to restore things to what it was supposed to be. "but we do not yet see all things put under him as of yet" he makes very clear. The OT says this messiah, will come and roster all things to the way it was supposed to be. Adam was in control of the earth, he failed. Christ came and took back what Adam lost. And he will restore all things. Children will lie with the lion and not be afraid etc etc. (this is not heaven, there will be no children in heaven) this is what is promised. we probably will never see this. But to say it will not happen is to discount most of the OT prophesies concerning the suffering servant, come to remove sin, and king messiah who will restor ALL THE EARTH to himself.

The jews thought these were two different men. They had no clue they were the same man, who would come twice. to do two different things. That was the "mystery" which paul spoke of over an over again. we are living part of that mystery now. as it says, But as Hebrews says, we have yet to see the full fulfillment of this mystery. but one day, it will happen.

 

[loveme1]

mankind has been trying to retake control of nature and things there own way since adam first sinned, it has been a futile effort. even with all the science we have, we still can not take control, and even in some cases have made things worse.

the author of Hebrews says all things were put under control of Christ. to restore things to what it was supposed to be. "but we do not yet see all things put under him as of yet" he makes very clear. The OT says this messiah, will come and roster all things to the way it was supposed to be. Adam was in control of the earth, he failed. Christ came and took back what Adam lost. And he will restore all things. Children will lie with the lion and not be afraid etc etc. (this is not heaven, there will be no children in heaven) this is what is promised. we probably will never see this. But to say it will not happen is to discount most of the OT prophesies concerning the suffering servant, come to remove sin, and king messiah who will restor ALL THE EARTH to himself.

The jews thought these were two different men. They had no clue they were the same man, who would come twice. to do two different things. That was the "mystery" which paul spoke of over an over again. we are living part of that mystery now. as it says, But as Hebrews says, we have yet to see the full fulfillment of this mystery. but one day, it will happen.

The Messiah returns after Great Tribulation like never seen before?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Messiah returns after Great Tribulation like never seen before?

that is what Jesus said, John says in revelation, and the prophesies of the OT say.. yes.

 

[zone]

why do people want to replace physical isreal with spiritual isreal.. who were never promised ANY of the things promised physical Israel?

what nonsense.
stunning...just amazing.

 

[zone]

mankind has been trying to retake control of nature and things there own way since adam first sinned, it has been a futile effort. even with all the science we have, we still can not take control, and even in some cases have made things worse.

the author of Hebrews says all things were put under control of Christ. to restore things to what it was supposed to be. "but we do not yet see all things put under him as of yet" he makes very clear. The OT says this messiah, will come and roster all things to the way it was supposed to be. Adam was in control of the earth, he failed. Christ came and took back what Adam lost. And he will restore all things. Children will lie with the lion and not be afraid etc etc. (this is not heaven, there will be no children in heaven) this is what is promised. we probably will never see this. But to say it will not happen is to discount most of the OT prophesies concerning the suffering servant, come to remove sin, and king messiah who will restor ALL THE EARTH to himself.

The jews thought these were two different men. They had no clue they were the same man, who would come twice. to do two different things. That was the "mystery" which paul spoke of over an over again. we are living part of that mystery now. as it says, But as Hebrews says, we have yet to see the full fulfillment of this mystery. but one day, it will happen.

which "jews thought these were two different men"?
the cut-off branches from first century?
or Talmudic unbelievers today?

ya we know...so?
they are condemned.
what's yer point?
God still owes them LAND?

free of the dirty gentiles of course.
and it's "non-salvic" so why ppl concern themselves with all this mess is silly.
it's just a loose end after all.

 

[zone]

some ppl think they gon be in g-ds good books if'n they bless israel.
jes a little fire insurance....jes in case
they heard hagee or some other nut say it.

so just in case the faithful branches and called gentiles AREN'T Israel the Church....ju-u-u-u-u-st in case,
we'll make up a bunch of false prophecy and we'll passively (without really admitting it) have a licentious 'gospel' for unbelieving jews...

cuz after all, paul said they would be blinded by g-d for their own good for 2000 years until the goy church was full...so even though the debil makes them do what they do, it ain't their fault.

this is all prep for some GR-E-E-E-E-E-A-A-A-A-T awakening in Jerusalem that now is, which is bearing children for slavery.

none of which is written, but.....:

[video=youtube;taADLPtyDb0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taADLPtyDb0[/video]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

which "jews thought these were two different men"?
the cut-off branches from first century?
or Talmudic unbelievers today?

well evidently all 12 of his disciples did. they thought he came to take over.. they did not believe he was going to die (was the suffering servant)

ya we know...so?
they are condemned.
what's yer point?
God still owes them LAND?

God does not owe anyone anything. But he gave it to their fathers as an everlasting gift. you think I am going to argue with God?

free of the dirty gentiles of course.

so you think these Muslims are clean? Most would kill you just for mentioning the name of Christ! thats funny, you would think you would love them as much as the jews, they are all headed to hell.. but I guess you love them more.. why is that? why are you so anti anyone?? when christ returns, all people who live their "jew or gentile" will be one with him.. why would anyone want to fight this amazing thing God says WILL HAPPEN is beyond me.

and it's "non-salvic" so why ppl concern themselves with all this mess is silly.
it's just a loose end after all.

mess? God restoring the earth to its natural state he made it is a mess. Ok.. next...................

 

[eternally-gratefull]

some ppl think they gon be in g-ds good books if'n they bless israel.
jes a little fire insurance....jes in case
they heard hagee or some other nut say it.

so just in case the faithful branches and called gentiles AREN'T Israel the Church....ju-u-u-u-u-st in case,
we'll make up a bunch of false prophecy and we'll passively (without really admitting it) have a licentious 'gospel' for unbelieving jews...

cuz after all, paul said they would be blinded by g-d for their own good for 2000 years until the goy church was full...so even though the debil makes them do what they do, it ain't their fault.

this is all prep for some GR-E-E-E-E-E-A-A-A-A-T awakening in Jerusalem that now is, which is bearing children for slavery.

none of which is written, but.....:

[video=youtube;taADLPtyDb0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taADLPtyDb0[/video]

lol. whatever zone. I don;t believe any of this.

But you would not know that you won't take 5 minutes to even try to figure out what I believe, you prove it every post you make when I have to correct you about my belief system.

but thats fine..

 

[loveme1]

What is this speaking of?

Revelation 21

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is this speaking of?

Revelation 21

speaks of the time when this heaven and earth is destroyed, and God makes a new heaven and earth. this happens AFTER the great white throne judgment. when there is no more physical flesh as we know it. there will be no more births. we will be as he is at this time.

when will it happen? after the things we are talking about come to fruition.

 

[zone]

One Day in Sunday School....






little 7 year old Bobby Christian:

"teacher - i heard someone say Paul and Peter and James and the jewish disciples who followed Jesus weren't the Christian Church.
it seems like they said Jesus didn't make a Christian Church.
they said the Promises in the Bible aren't for us.
that's not what we learned already, teacher.
i'm confused and scared now"


Teacher:

"Bobby that's a false teaching. of course the Disciples and all God's people who believed and believe in Jesus of Nazareth are the Church.
and that includes you and me.
don't listen to things you know are wrong.
all who know and love Jesus are God's people.
people who do not love Jesus are not God's people.
but we are trying to tell them about Him so they may be saved"


little Bobby:

"teacher - i heard someone say some people who don't believe in Jesus today are called Old Wine Skins and Jesus didn't pour the New Wine of His Covenant in His Blood into them so they could be saved without knowing Him.
that's not we learned before.
i'm confused now."

Teacher:

"Bobby that's another false teaching.
have you been watching television, Bobby? where did you ever learn a thing like that?
of course the Disciples and all God's people who believe are the Church.
people who do not believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth who was Crucified, Died and Rose from the grave on the third day to accomplish forgiveness of their sins are not Old Wine Skins who are saved.
no one is saved while at the same time rejecting Jesus.
that's a false gospel.
all who love Jesus are God's people
that includes you, little Bobby
don't listen to things you know are wrong.."


little 7 year old Bobby:

"thank you teacher.
i knew it sounded wrong, because that's not what the Bible says."

 

[zone]

What is this speaking of?

Revelation 21

Second Advent.
Judgement.
goats away,
sheep go into new heavens and new earth, dwelling forever in New Jerusalem, which is already our mother.

 

[loveme1]

Do any of these verses talk of the same thing?

Ezekiel 37

The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, 16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: 17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. 18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these? 19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. 20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: 23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.24And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. 26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Revelation 21

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[zone]

Do any of these verses talk of the same thing?

Ezekiel 37
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all


foretells the return from captivity...and goes on addressing the faithful only (not the cut-off) who would know Jesus was their King. the passage describes them receiving the very promises they had waited for and seen in the scriptures. at The First Advent, in Israel when Jesus came.

JESUS at the First Advent.

typically, the hebrew goes on to describe the blessings of eternal life (at The Second Advent), just as you posted here:

Revelation 21

which are the very same blessings the gentiles received and receive, and jews today receive when they are grafted in to the promised Most Holy, the Vine, the Good Tree.

One people, One Lord, One faith, One Promise, One Way to eternal life.