WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN THE BIRTH PAINS???

[eternally-gratefull]

Do any of these verses talk of the same thing?

Ezekiel 37





Revelation 21

no..

the first speak of Israel being restored to her land. and the gentiles who treated them badly while in their care punished for their evil. God will remove the sin of Isreal (they will repent) and they will stop what they have done really since king soloman (worship idols and false gods and not obey Gods commands) and are still doing today. they will believe in Christ, be saved, and no longer do the things which has them dispersed and their city destroyed in the first place.

Ez 37 is not speaking of eternal life and heaven. But what will happen to a nation here on earth.

the second speaks of again the time when all the things on this earth are finished and we receive a new heaven and earth. It is eternal life and heaven. the ultimate fulfilment of all things salvic in nature.

one thing to think. the first could not happen if this earth is already destroyed.

 

[loveme1]

no..

the first speak of Israel being restored to her land. and the gentiles who treated them badly while in their care punished for their evil. God will remove the sin of Isreal (they will repent) and they will stop what they have done really since king soloman (worship idols and false gods and not obey Gods commands) and are still doing today. they will believe in Christ, be saved, and no longer do the things which has them dispersed and their city destroyed in the first place.

Ez 37 is not speaking of eternal life and heaven. But what will happen to a nation here on earth.

the second speaks of again the time when all the things on this earth are finished and we receive a new heaven and earth. It is eternal life and heaven. the ultimate fulfilment of all things salvic in nature.

one thing to think. the first could not happen if this earth is already destroyed.

I finally understand what you two have been disagreeing on.

 

[loveme1]

Thank you both for taking the time to answer my questions very insightful.

 

[loveme1]

EG, do you believe in a pre trib Rapture?

 

[zone]

mess? God restoring the earth to its natural state he made it is a mess. Ok.. next...................

oh...this mess is God restoring something?

White phosphorus is a material made from a common allotrope of the chemical element phosphorus that is used in smoke, tracer, illumination and incendiary munitions.[1] Other common names include WP, and the slang term "Willie Pete," which is dated from its use in Vietnam, and is still sometimes used in military jargon.[2] As an incendiary weapon, white phosphorus burns fiercely and can set cloth, fuel, ammunition and other combustibles on fire, and cause serious burns or death.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG, do you believe in a pre trib Rapture?

this part of prophesy I am not sure what will happen. All of them have valid points.. so I will say I do not know here.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

oh...this mess is God restoring something?

White phosphorus is a material made from a common allotrope of the chemical element phosphorus that is used in smoke, tracer, illumination and incendiary munitions.[1] Other common names include WP, and the slang term "Willie Pete," which is dated from its use in Vietnam, and is still sometimes used in military jargon.[2] As an incendiary weapon, white phosphorus burns fiercely and can set cloth, fuel, ammunition and other combustibles on fire, and cause serious burns or death.

I have no clue what this is. But if you want to mock God and what he said he is going to do. I leave that up to you.

 

[zone]

lol. whatever zone. I don;t believe any of this.

But you would not know that you won't take 5 minutes to even try to figure out what I believe, you prove it every post you make when I have to correct you about my belief system.

but thats fine..

that post wasn't directed to you and didn't have your name in it.
so dunno why you replyin'

 

[homwardbound]

It is not nice to watch you two go at one and other and i hoped we could try and reason looking at Scripture together.

Being confused at what you disagree about i wanted to ask for some input so we could see if there is middle ground to look at.

Loveme1 what has been is Christ fullfilled the Law and the Prohets as he said what he came to do

Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
He then went and fulfilled all the Law and Prophets, wqent to the cross and yelled
John 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
And by this it brought a new way of life in the Spirit of Love God's type
Hebrews 8:13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
the new covenant (will) was brought in by the death of Christ at the cross
Hebrews 9:16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
And today it is by LOve that we are saved the Love of God at the cross where he took all sin away in hids Father's sight and we are freed from the letter of the Law to the life of Love
Romans 13:8



[ Love Fulfills God’s Requirements ] Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law.
Hopefully there will be no morer flesh ranting and raving now

 

[eternally-gratefull]

that post wasn't directed to you and didn't have your name in it.
so dunno why you replyin'

Oh lets see. You quoted what I said. and posted that pick in response? Mocking what I said..

did you forget?? or do you think I (and everyone else in this chat who saw it) was born yesterday?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Loveme1 what has been is Christ fullfilled the Law and the Prohets as he said what he came to do

Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
He then went and fulfilled all the Law and Prophets, wqent to the cross and yelled
John 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
And by this it brought a new way of life in the Spirit of Love God's type
Hebrews 8:13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
the new covenant (will) was brought in by the death of Christ at the cross
Hebrews 9:16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
And today it is by LOve that we are saved the Love of God at the cross where he took all sin away in hids Father's sight and we are freed from the letter of the Law to the life of Love
Romans 13:8



[ Love Fulfills God’s Requirements ] Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law.
Hopefully there will be no morer flesh ranting and raving now

the law has nothing to do with what we are talking about. we are talking about future events which have nothing to do with salvation.

however. many want to make it a salvic issue where it is not.

 

[homwardbound]

Hey there. I am just going off what Paul said.

As per the gospel they are my enemy, as for the promise they are to be loved. They are my enemy, and we do need to love them and give them the gospel. Not hate on them like some people in here like to do. I do not think I have ever seen so much hate.



We should love them like we love all people, whether jew or gentile

Again, I am just going of what Paul said.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake,

and tha tis by being under the Law still and not seeing that by Christ the death that they were freed from the Law and cann be made alive to Christ they stumbled
Romans 9:32Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.
Romans 9:33As it is written:“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.”

 

[homwardbound]

love everyone, the same, don;t show favoritism. God does not want his people to do this. Thats one of the problems the jews had.

under the new covenant we Love because we are loved and if we only love those that love us then we are no differant than a heathen
We today forgive because we are forgiven we are in a new covenant freed from the Law that brings stress and worry
We ar ein new covenant of LOve God's type and we are to endure there and will by belief

 

[eternally-gratefull]

and tha tis by being under the Law still and not seeing that by Christ the death that they were freed from the Law and cann be made alive to Christ they stumbled
Romans 9:32Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.
Romans 9:33As it is written:“See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.”

yes, this is why they are blind. because they hardened their hearts to truth..

 

[homwardbound]

why do people bear false witness about the Scriptures?

why do they bear false witness about Gabriel's message directly from My Father, about Daniel's people and God's faithfulness to them?

why do people dare to bear false testimony about Jesus Christ of Nazareth, The Most Holy, and say He didn't do the very things Promised, in exactly the place and time My Father said he would?


to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy


i wonder why they don't seem to believe any of it.


Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.


they repeatedly bear false witness against the very Gospel itself.


Romans 1:16
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.


in them i wonder if i see another fulfillment:


Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

Why do you believe that you have to get more forgiveness if you sin again and every time you sin Did Christ nottake the sin out oof the way as you quoted above is it done or not? I highlighted that in red is it done or not?

 

[cfultz3]

Oh lets see. You quoted what I said. and posted that pick in response? Mocking what I said..

did you forget?? or do you think I (and everyone else in this chat who saw it) was born yesterday?

Let's see, she quoted you with a reply, but since she did not mention you by name you were not to reply? Well, if that is the case, I will start doing that myself. (note your name is not mentioned, so you cannot reply)

 

[homwardbound]

my friend. Rev 18 will make 9/11 look like a walk in the park. We will know these things when we see them, if we think that is great tribulation, when the real thing happens, no one will be able to handle it, because they were not prepaired.

However the whole world was shut down relating ot that scripture with ion the hour and the kings from far east cried over her smildering smoke bein gthe world trade center, and to me I see as a part od porohesy filled and then Revelation 6 came forth tith white Horse but to each his own I am just glad to trust God in all things no matter what they might appear as and yes you could be right, no matter.

 

[zone]

Why do you believe that you have to get more forgiveness if you sin again and every time you sin Did Christ nottake the sin out oof the way as you quoted above is it done or not? I highlighted that in red is it done or not?

ha?
confess your sins when you sin (God forbid) and be cleansed.

 

[loveme1]

Less bickering and more Scripture we know that is where the answer is found.

i will share some things from our conversation in good time.

Peace and love to you all.

 

[zone]

Oh lets see. You quoted what I said. and posted that pick in response? Mocking what I said..

did you forget?? or do you think I (and everyone else in this chat who saw it) was born yesterday?

i posted what TONS of dispensationalists say.
your beliefs ain't unique, though you've made them uniquely yours by tweaking.
EG...you're way off in left field.
LOL