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The seventieth week is one of the hardest things in prophecy to understand. It requires a good working knowledge of Scripture, history, and Jewish customs. I spent many months and more money on postage and phone calls contacting numerous scholars world wide then I care to admit too while studying this subject. I have a very full schedule the next few days so I probably won't address the issue for a few days due to time constraints. I will as soon as time allows start a thread to discuss this with you iif you like (bear with me it may take a few days). I will also tell you now I believe that the 70th week is in our past and the dome of the rock is the abomination of desolation.
May God bless your studies!!
May God bless your studies!!
Acts 2:16
Peter Preaches to the Crowd
14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said to them, You men of Judaea, and all you that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known to you, and listen to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as you suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, said God, I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: 21And it shall come to pass, that whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 22You men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the middle of you, as you yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be held of it. 25For David speaks concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27Because you will not leave my soul in hell, neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption. 28You have made known to me the ways of life; you shall make me full of joy with your countenance. 29Men and brothers, let me freely speak to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us to this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear. 34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he said himself, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit you on my right hand, 35Until I make your foes your footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made the same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
John 3:5
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Titus 3:5,6
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration...
Hebrews 9:13,14,19
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh...
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience...
1 John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood...
Romans 8:9,14-16
But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you...
1 Corinthians 3:16
Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
.......................................
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Acts 2:16
Peter Preaches to the Crowd
14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said to them, You men of Judaea, and all you that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known to you, and listen to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as you suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, said God, I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: 21And it shall come to pass, that whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 22You men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the middle of you, as you yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be held of it. 25For David speaks concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27Because you will not leave my soul in hell, neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption. 28You have made known to me the ways of life; you shall make me full of joy with your countenance. 29Men and brothers, let me freely speak to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us to this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear. 34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he said himself, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit you on my right hand, 35Until I make your foes your footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made the same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
John 3:5
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Titus 3:5,6
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration...
Hebrews 9:13,14,19
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh...
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience...
1 John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood...
Romans 8:9,14-16
But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you...
1 Corinthians 3:16
Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
.......................................
Peter Preaches to the Crowd
14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said to them, You men of Judaea, and all you that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known to you, and listen to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as you suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, said God, I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: 21And it shall come to pass, that whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 22You men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the middle of you, as you yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be held of it. 25For David speaks concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27Because you will not leave my soul in hell, neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption. 28You have made known to me the ways of life; you shall make me full of joy with your countenance. 29Men and brothers, let me freely speak to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us to this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear. 34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he said himself, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit you on my right hand, 35Until I make your foes your footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made the same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
John 3:5
Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Titus 3:5,6
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration...
Hebrews 9:13,14,19
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh...
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience...
1 John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood...
Romans 8:9,14-16
But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you...
1 Corinthians 3:16
Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
.......................................
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
“To argue with a man” (or in this case woman) “who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.”
― Thomas Paine, The American Crisis
Carry on Zone enjoy that burdensome stone hanging from your neck!
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Zechariah 14:6-9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: {7} But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. {8} And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. {9} And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Look at verse 8. That is clearly referring to Christ:
John 4:10 Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, 'Give me a drink,' you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water."
John 4:14 but those who drink of the water that I will give them will never be thirsty. The water that I will give will become in them a spring of water gushing up to eternal life."
andJohn 4:14 but those who drink of the water that I will give them will never be thirsty. The water that I will give will become in them a spring of water gushing up to eternal life."
John 7:37-39 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. {38} He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. {39} (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
17Jesus looked directly at them and asked, “Then what is the meaning of that which is written:“ ‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone’[SUP]a[/SUP] ?
18Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”
Do you even know what the burdensome stone is? Or what Jerusalem is referring to?17Jesus looked directly at them and asked, “Then what is the meaning of that which is written:“ ‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone’[SUP]a[/SUP] ?
18Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”
no it isn't.
it was 7 years long.
and it was attached to the other weeks - 7 years each, 69 of them, plus the 70th.
it ended just like the others. seven years after it started.
no gap. no magically super-flex rubber 70th week.
just another period of 7 years, like all the rest.
it went like this: 1 week,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17........and so on, in sequence, in order.............to 69 & 70.
see how simple that was?
God fulfilled all of it, the temple and wall were built....the ppl returned from captivity, Jesus of Nazareth came and ACCOMPLISHED salvation for Israel Personally, and through His 12. we had Pentecost too.
DONE. easy.
it's long over.
Jerusalem was leveled by Rome as the Kingdom went to a peoples bearing the fruit of it.
jews can be saved today. Gospel. simple.
no crafty math needed...like this:
"zone:
ellis, your 70th week is a long overview of all the other weeks, and more, that goes as far back as the second decree to rebuild the temple.
your 70th week ends in 1948 when Israel became a nation.
your last 7 is some unique 7 that is only posited by one guy who no one can find. no one else believes his interpretation.
anyways, the 7 (for the final week) times 360 (for days in a Jewish year) equals 2520 years which you converted into 2484 solar years is the exact number of years between Darius' decree in 536BC and 1948.
amazingly, in the middle of this time frame, you have the abomination of desolation which is the erecting of the Dome of the Rock in 688 AD.
However, doing the math, the middle should be 706BC.
So, what did you do?
you made a new start date for the 70th week and moved it back to the destruction of the first temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 583BC. is that right?
Therapon:
That is not correct. It is true that Jer 41:5 and 52 :20 places the abolution of sacrifices in the 23rd year of Nebuchadnezzar, 583 B.C, three years after the Temple was destroyed, but the 70th week does not begin with the abolition of sacrifices, it starts in 536 B.C, in the first year of Darius, who gave the first decree of the Medo-Persians allowing the Jews to return to the holy land.
The 70th week ends in 1948 A.D. when the Jews were back in their homeland for the final time. You are correct, the middle of the 70th "week" is exactly 706 A.D., but when God uses such an imprecise word as a "week" as the descriptor of 2520 Hebrew years (2484 solar years), 688 A.D, is still in the "middle of the week."
so Therapon's magically expanding flex-70th week:
starts in 536 B.C, in the first year of Darius, who gave the first decree of the Medo-Persians allowing the Jews to return to the holy land [and] ends in 1948 A.D. when the Jews were back in their homeland for the final time.
a week of seven years which starts in 536BC and ends in 1948AD
it was 7 years long.
and it was attached to the other weeks - 7 years each, 69 of them, plus the 70th.
it ended just like the others. seven years after it started.
no gap. no magically super-flex rubber 70th week.
just another period of 7 years, like all the rest.
it went like this: 1 week,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17........and so on, in sequence, in order.............to 69 & 70.
see how simple that was?
God fulfilled all of it, the temple and wall were built....the ppl returned from captivity, Jesus of Nazareth came and ACCOMPLISHED salvation for Israel Personally, and through His 12. we had Pentecost too.
DONE. easy.
it's long over.
Jerusalem was leveled by Rome as the Kingdom went to a peoples bearing the fruit of it.
jews can be saved today. Gospel. simple.
no crafty math needed...like this:
"zone:
ellis, your 70th week is a long overview of all the other weeks, and more, that goes as far back as the second decree to rebuild the temple.
your 70th week ends in 1948 when Israel became a nation.
your last 7 is some unique 7 that is only posited by one guy who no one can find. no one else believes his interpretation.
anyways, the 7 (for the final week) times 360 (for days in a Jewish year) equals 2520 years which you converted into 2484 solar years is the exact number of years between Darius' decree in 536BC and 1948.
amazingly, in the middle of this time frame, you have the abomination of desolation which is the erecting of the Dome of the Rock in 688 AD.
However, doing the math, the middle should be 706BC.
So, what did you do?
you made a new start date for the 70th week and moved it back to the destruction of the first temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 583BC. is that right?
Therapon:
That is not correct. It is true that Jer 41:5 and 52 :20 places the abolution of sacrifices in the 23rd year of Nebuchadnezzar, 583 B.C, three years after the Temple was destroyed, but the 70th week does not begin with the abolition of sacrifices, it starts in 536 B.C, in the first year of Darius, who gave the first decree of the Medo-Persians allowing the Jews to return to the holy land.
The 70th week ends in 1948 A.D. when the Jews were back in their homeland for the final time. You are correct, the middle of the 70th "week" is exactly 706 A.D., but when God uses such an imprecise word as a "week" as the descriptor of 2520 Hebrew years (2484 solar years), 688 A.D, is still in the "middle of the week."
so Therapon's magically expanding flex-70th week:
starts in 536 B.C, in the first year of Darius, who gave the first decree of the Medo-Persians allowing the Jews to return to the holy land [and] ends in 1948 A.D. when the Jews were back in their homeland for the final time.
a week of seven years which starts in 536BC and ends in 1948AD
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no it isn't.
it was 7 years long.
and it was attached to the other weeks - 7 years each, 69 of them, plus the 70th.
it ended just like the others. seven years after it started.
no gap. no magically super-flex rubber 70th week.
just another period of 7 years, like all the rest.
it went like this: 1 week,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17........and so on, in sequence, in order.............to 69 & 70.
see how simple that was?
God fulfilled all of it, the temple and wall were built....the ppl returned from captivity, Jesus of Nazareth came and ACCOMPLISHED salvation for Israel Personally, and through His 12. we had Pentecost too.
DONE. easy.
it's long over.
Jerusalem was leveled by Rome as the Kingdom went to a peoples bearing the fruit of it.
jews can be saved today. Gospel. simple.
no crafty math needed...like this:
"zone:
ellis, your 70th week is a long overview of all the other weeks, and more, that goes as far back as the second decree to rebuild the temple.
your 70th week ends in 1948 when Israel became a nation.
your last 7 is some unique 7 that is only posited by one guy who no one can find. no one else believes his interpretation.
anyways, the 7 (for the final week) times 360 (for days in a Jewish year) equals 2520 years which you converted into 2484 solar years is the exact number of years between Darius' decree in 536BC and 1948.
amazingly, in the middle of this time frame, you have the abomination of desolation which is the erecting of the Dome of the Rock in 688 AD.
However, doing the math, the middle should be 706BC.
So, what did you do?
you made a new start date for the 70th week and moved it back to the destruction of the first temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 583BC. is that right?
Therapon:
That is not correct. It is true that Jer 41:5 and 52 :20 places the abolution of sacrifices in the 23rd year of Nebuchadnezzar, 583 B.C, three years after the Temple was destroyed, but the 70th week does not begin with the abolition of sacrifices, it starts in 536 B.C, in the first year of Darius, who gave the first decree of the Medo-Persians allowing the Jews to return to the holy land.
The 70th week ends in 1948 A.D. when the Jews were back in their homeland for the final time. You are correct, the middle of the 70th "week" is exactly 706 A.D., but when God uses such an imprecise word as a "week" as the descriptor of 2520 Hebrew years (2484 solar years), 688 A.D, is still in the "middle of the week."
so Therapon's magically expanding flex-70th week:
starts in 536 B.C, in the first year of Darius, who gave the first decree of the Medo-Persians allowing the Jews to return to the holy land [and] ends in 1948 A.D. when the Jews were back in their homeland for the final time.
a week of seven years which starts in 536BC and ends in 1948AD
it was 7 years long.
and it was attached to the other weeks - 7 years each, 69 of them, plus the 70th.
it ended just like the others. seven years after it started.
no gap. no magically super-flex rubber 70th week.
just another period of 7 years, like all the rest.
it went like this: 1 week,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17........and so on, in sequence, in order.............to 69 & 70.
see how simple that was?
God fulfilled all of it, the temple and wall were built....the ppl returned from captivity, Jesus of Nazareth came and ACCOMPLISHED salvation for Israel Personally, and through His 12. we had Pentecost too.
DONE. easy.
it's long over.
Jerusalem was leveled by Rome as the Kingdom went to a peoples bearing the fruit of it.
jews can be saved today. Gospel. simple.
no crafty math needed...like this:
"zone:
ellis, your 70th week is a long overview of all the other weeks, and more, that goes as far back as the second decree to rebuild the temple.
your 70th week ends in 1948 when Israel became a nation.
your last 7 is some unique 7 that is only posited by one guy who no one can find. no one else believes his interpretation.
anyways, the 7 (for the final week) times 360 (for days in a Jewish year) equals 2520 years which you converted into 2484 solar years is the exact number of years between Darius' decree in 536BC and 1948.
amazingly, in the middle of this time frame, you have the abomination of desolation which is the erecting of the Dome of the Rock in 688 AD.
However, doing the math, the middle should be 706BC.
So, what did you do?
you made a new start date for the 70th week and moved it back to the destruction of the first temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 583BC. is that right?
Therapon:
That is not correct. It is true that Jer 41:5 and 52 :20 places the abolution of sacrifices in the 23rd year of Nebuchadnezzar, 583 B.C, three years after the Temple was destroyed, but the 70th week does not begin with the abolition of sacrifices, it starts in 536 B.C, in the first year of Darius, who gave the first decree of the Medo-Persians allowing the Jews to return to the holy land.
The 70th week ends in 1948 A.D. when the Jews were back in their homeland for the final time. You are correct, the middle of the 70th "week" is exactly 706 A.D., but when God uses such an imprecise word as a "week" as the descriptor of 2520 Hebrew years (2484 solar years), 688 A.D, is still in the "middle of the week."
so Therapon's magically expanding flex-70th week:
starts in 536 B.C, in the first year of Darius, who gave the first decree of the Medo-Persians allowing the Jews to return to the holy land [and] ends in 1948 A.D. when the Jews were back in their homeland for the final time.
a week of seven years which starts in 536BC and ends in 1948AD
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It appears that you guys like to view Bible prophecy from your 21st-century New Testament knowledge base. That is hermeneutically an unsound method of interpretation that will lead to false doctrine. Daniel was a sixth century B.C. Jewish captives in Babylon who read his Scripture, understood and lived by the Levitical code. As a result, we have to stand in the prophet's sandals and look at the visions God gave Daniel from his historic and cultural viewpoint. When we get off our high dispensational or Preterist horses (if that's even possible) and study Daniel's prophecies from his Levitical viewpoint, a prophetic picture totally different then today's popular traditions appears.
nonsense ellis.
all 70 weeks fulfilled.
no need to blow up the D.O.R. or push for zionism or any of that.
hey....didn't you say we'd be seeing the Lord any moment?
what does that mean exactly?
given what you've been able to do to a "week" of seven (7) years, who knows what you can do with "a moment".
all 70 weeks fulfilled.
no need to blow up the D.O.R. or push for zionism or any of that.
hey....didn't you say we'd be seeing the Lord any moment?
what does that mean exactly?
given what you've been able to do to a "week" of seven (7) years, who knows what you can do with "a moment".
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html < click
FULFILLED BY CHRIST.
daniel didn't live to see it.
but the others did.
Jesus was sent to the Lost Sheep Of The House of Israel.
they (the believers) followed Him.
He never lost one.
the unbelievers were CUT OFF - not preserved in OLD SKINS.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
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Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.
Dual-covenant theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
FULFILLED BY CHRIST.
daniel didn't live to see it.
but the others did.
Jesus was sent to the Lost Sheep Of The House of Israel.
they (the believers) followed Him.
He never lost one.
the unbelievers were CUT OFF - not preserved in OLD SKINS.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
~
Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.
Dual-covenant theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
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First of all, true Christians get their doctrine from the Bible not from Wikipedia.
Ever since I have been on this forum, you have been following me around from thread to thread, nipping at my heels like an angry Chihuahua, attempting to disprove everything I write. The only conclusion I can draw from your behavior is that my posts must be seriously pinching your doctrinal toes. Oh well, guess I can't please everyone, LOL.
Ever since I have been on this forum, you have been following me around from thread to thread, nipping at my heels like an angry Chihuahua, attempting to disprove everything I write. The only conclusion I can draw from your behavior is that my posts must be seriously pinching your doctrinal toes. Oh well, guess I can't please everyone, LOL.
since you're completely engulfed in your corruption of God's Truth, of course you can only reach one conclusion - how could anyone think ellis could be wrong?
which is why i suspect everything about your work.
which is pretty much just one other man's work.
and you jumped on his bandwagon...made it your own, and now you have to live with it.
and all the damage you've caused, as a robber who has climbed into the fold over the wall.
i don't sympathize with you, nor feel sorry for you - you've done this to yourself.
i am 100%, completely, against you.
Dual Covenant Theology
Heresy: n 1: any opinions or doctrines at variance with the official or orthodox position [syn: unorthodoxy, heterodoxy] [ant: orthodoxy] 2: a belief that rejects the orthodox tenets of a religion
Because of their enthusiastic support for the Jews' biblical right to the Land of Israel some Christian organizations are willing to compromise the New Testament teachings that salvation is obtained through Jesus Christ alone. In order to show the Jewish people that they harbor no hidden agenda through this support, they state that not only will they not proselytize Jews to the Christian faith but that Jews do not have to accept Jesus as their Messiah in order to be saved. Such a teaching is not only contrary to the clear teachings of Jesus and His apostles but it is the most heretical doctrine in Christianity because it strikes at the reason God sent His Son to earth in the first place. This teaching is known as the Two or Dual Covenant doctrine. The Dual Covenant theological position states that the Jews have a covenantal relationship with God through the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants and therefore do not need to accept the New Covenant or Testament made through Jesus Christ.
which is why i suspect everything about your work.
which is pretty much just one other man's work.
and you jumped on his bandwagon...made it your own, and now you have to live with it.
and all the damage you've caused, as a robber who has climbed into the fold over the wall.
i don't sympathize with you, nor feel sorry for you - you've done this to yourself.
i am 100%, completely, against you.
Dual Covenant Theology
Heresy: n 1: any opinions or doctrines at variance with the official or orthodox position [syn: unorthodoxy, heterodoxy] [ant: orthodoxy] 2: a belief that rejects the orthodox tenets of a religion
Because of their enthusiastic support for the Jews' biblical right to the Land of Israel some Christian organizations are willing to compromise the New Testament teachings that salvation is obtained through Jesus Christ alone. In order to show the Jewish people that they harbor no hidden agenda through this support, they state that not only will they not proselytize Jews to the Christian faith but that Jews do not have to accept Jesus as their Messiah in order to be saved. Such a teaching is not only contrary to the clear teachings of Jesus and His apostles but it is the most heretical doctrine in Christianity because it strikes at the reason God sent His Son to earth in the first place. This teaching is known as the Two or Dual Covenant doctrine. The Dual Covenant theological position states that the Jews have a covenantal relationship with God through the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants and therefore do not need to accept the New Covenant or Testament made through Jesus Christ.
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LOL, your saying it's so doesn't make it so. You guys remind me of the 400 prophets who encouraged Ahab when he was about to go up to Ramothgilead to battle. Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah said that Ahab was going to gore the Syrians, but he didn’t, he died there. Micaiah was the only prophet of the Lord who spoke the truth and stood against those 400. I'm not claiming any prophetic gift, but I'm certainly familiar with Miciah’s stand.
Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.
Acts 2:36
"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah."
c. 30AD
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.
Acts 2:36
"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah."
c. 30AD
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That's quite a heroic picture you've painted for yourself Therapon. The lone heroic Therapon off to do battle against hordes of wicked pagans while overcoming 400 false prophets on his way. The problem with your narcissistic vision of self-grandeur is that nothing could be further from the truth.
The truth is that you're no Micah and we aren't false prophets. Micah was orthodox and never believe in nor advocated a heretical dual covenant theology.
I'd discuss this further with you but I have somewhere to be. Bye.
The truth is that you're no Micah and we aren't false prophets. Micah was orthodox and never believe in nor advocated a heretical dual covenant theology.
I'd discuss this further with you but I have somewhere to be. Bye.