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homwardbound

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Heavenly Father says those that Love Him Keep His Commandments.

The division comes when people refuse the Truth in favour of the lie.

i'm not going against Heavenly Father or the Messiah, because that is not love.
I am not saying you are are you are not I am saying 7seven7 has said he believes in Christ as his personal savior, and just becaus he does not see what you and the rest are saying as truth, he has to find this out for himself for God will not leave him nor forsake him for God has received him period
[h=3]Romans 14[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Weak and the Strong[/h]14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. [SUP]2 [/SUP]One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.
God has accepted you and me and 7seven7, yes ? So then who is able to :
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

So since 7seven7 claims to believe in Christ why not encourage him he will find out truth because God not Church any Church is able to show him truth as he is seeking truth. But everyone elses condemnation is not helping and no one is seeing this and 7seve7 is taking all your greiveances agianst the Catholic Church as a personal attack against him and I know that none of you mean it this way but here it is this way, and has created rebelion just as sin takes ocassion by the commandment, this is how it has come across unintentionally but still the same for flesh is in the way.
Remember Paul when he said there are those of strife and also of sincereity, that he would Glory in both for Christ is being preached, Paul said this because he knew that those that are seeking Christ God would reveal the true Christ and free that person to the personal relationship that is intended to be You and God then fellowship with one another .
Look all the denominations have heresis in and of them. But each one has Gold Nuggets as well.
Now the disciples said to Jesus hey Jesus there are those over there that are casting out demons in your name we should go over there and stop this. Jesus said

[h=3]Mark 9:37-39[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
You all are speaking evil of the Church that he has chosen to attend, and I know that God will reveal to him whatever needs to be reveled to him, Just as God revealed to you all about putting no one between you and Christ for Christ is the only mediator between Man and God.
Love you 7seven7 and am elated you have made your confession to believe, now just ask for truth as Ielieve oyu have from God whom is the one that gives the increase to what is being said here by others and what they have seen and heard. I do know that they all actually do it in Love and out of concern for you in all truth, and i do not see you taking offense as being shown but i hear in the Spirit
I myself went through it in another denominational setting and had I not gone through it I would not know what God has taught me through it, so I am glad I went through it, no regrets and I learned to thank God in all things and thanking in all things it opened me up to listening the Spirit of God and learned what 1 cor 13 type of love is and now give it out as received trusting God to give the increase the seed is planted and you believe Christ is the Messiah and I am rejoicing for you in this as well as the angels are to
In Love let us be of sound mind all of us

 

homwardbound

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Staying Faithful to our First Love that is where our hearts should be.
Where one should be is not of faith it is of works and deception creeps in, Faith is Faith and by belief we are in our first forever and always, by Faith in the finished work of Christ at the cross we are saved received a new life and we move and have our beings now in the Holy Ghost out of the Love of the Fasther that gave himself for us. Works are a by-product of Faith Faith (belief ) produces works God's works through me, you and all who believe first. Works does not produce Faith before saved or after saved period
 

homwardbound

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i had to tell my earthly father that he was condemned and the only way to be forgiven is through Faith in the Messiah.

Sometimes Truth is hard to share but it is the only Good to be shared.

Love is truth.
perfect and every good gift comes from above the Fasther of lights
 

tribesman

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Yeh, mate, I understand. But then what if they change and start acting wickedly? Then they are still saved by your interpretation of scripture.
I do not believe that the sinful nature is eradicated at conversion. (I assume you also believe in confession and absolution and not sinless perfection). So it is fully possible not only that they do wrong but also that they may fall down. However they will rise up again and walk the narrow path. God will lose none of His. They are preserved forever.
 
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Where one should be is not of faith it is of works and deception creeps in, Faith is Faith and by belief we are in our first forever and always, by Faith in the finished work of Christ at the cross we are saved received a new life and we move and have our beings now in the Holy Ghost out of the Love of the Fasther that gave himself for us. Works are a by-product of Faith Faith (belief ) produces works God's works through me, you and all who believe first. Works does not produce Faith before saved or after saved period
Brother, maybe you can answer this question so I can understand the view of Protestants on this. If a person is saved, then changes their ways again, backslides, and starts acting wickedly (murder, rape, drugs), then is he saved regardless?
 

homwardbound

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Actually I'm not angry at all, my heart truly grieves for those that are in the catholic church. There are many wonderful people that are catholics, and I want nothing more than to see them receive the grace and freedom of Christ, if I'm angry at anyone it would be the Vatican for throughout deceiving millions of people. Truly my heart breaks for those that remain in bondage to the catholic church
What about bondage to any Church here on earth for we are not of this world only in it, and the true tabernacle is where and we are citizens of where?
Hebrews 8:2A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
This is in Heaven her and now today we are here not representing peace here on earthy representing peace in heaven and love in Heaven and righteousness in Heaven for his kingdom is not of this earth or he would have fought and we all would have been destroyed. All the more reason for thankfulness
 
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I do not believe that the sinful nature is eradicated at conversion. (I assume you also believe in confession and absolution and not sinless perfection). So it is fully possible not only that they do wrong but also that they may fall down. However they will rise up again and walk the narrow path. God will lose none of His. They are preserved forever.
No, brother, you are wrong again. I do believe in sinless perfection. After all, that is what God made us capable of. But please tell me, what if they don't rise up again? It is very easily suffered. If they commit murder after being saved and stay fallen, are they still saved?
 

homwardbound

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What I am saying is that even if one is angry and hates things like these cults and false ways then it is justified and not a sin.
Christ died for us all to receive the Love that is not of this world and hate evil yes but this is where the flesh takes too much control and acts on it and we have things like thetwin towers that went down because of hate that crowded out Love God's love
 

homwardbound

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I will pray for you my dear, speaking the truth is hard to say to strangers, even harder when it's family
Speaking truth is GOD JUST LOVE YOU receive this just receive this only and I don't know is this ones first love because we saw how much God first loved us are we forgetting this or can we forget this?
 

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No, brother, you are wrong again. I do believe in sinless perfection. After all, that is what God made us capable of. But please tell me, what if they don't rise up again? It is very easily suffered. If they commit murder after being saved and stay fallen, are they still saved?
Again? When was the other time I was wrong? And what do you mean with sinless perfection? That you can be literally perfect as God is perfect?

To your question: I would strongly doubt that they were saved if they do not rise up again after committing murder. But God is sovereign in every beginning and end and has the last word on everything.
 
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Again? When was the other time I was wrong? And what do you mean with sinless perfection? That you can be literally perfect as God is perfect?

To your question: I would strongly doubt that they were saved if they do not rise up again after committing murder. But God is sovereign in every beginning and end and has the last word on everything.
You said "sinless perfection", not perfect like God. We are very capable of not sinning. We are not capable of matching God's perfection in everything.

Ok, now I'll re-word it for you, so maybe I can get an answer this time. What if they got saved, changed, acted wickedly (commited murder), then got drunk and committed suicide. Are they still saved?
 
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homwardbound

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I used that scripture to reject your theory that billions of followers = truth. Scripture says many are on the wrong road and few on the narrow road, so just because something is popular, does not make it right.

There are two ways - the narrow road and broad road. They are chalk and cheese, they just are not the same. They don't go together. Likewise, the Holy Spirit does not lead 2 people in different directions.

Why are we going in opposite directions? If we were equally yoked we would be believing the same true gospel. You have to come to God with empty hands of faith. Everything else is just traditions and weights set upon people by men, and those things don't save.

Imagine a set of monkey bars suspended over hell. You are hanging from different ones, each of them labeled: baptism, good works, sacraments, indulgences, the mass. These are all the things you are told keep you out of hell.

Picture Jesus suspended between you and hell, saying "I am the only one who can save you, but I can't until you first let go"

You must let go and believe Jesus will save you. If you remain hanging when you die then it's too late.

You have to come to God with empty hands of faith.

Romans 11:6: "And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work"



No one can blame their teacher on judgment day. A false teacher will be condemned, as will those who followed their teachings and rules. It's God's way (narrow road) or man's way/way of the world (broad road).

Proverbs 14:12: "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death"
I have a questioin here to you all think God will save anyone from or at the Catholic church that are members of that Church and practicing Catholics? a few many or none no way at all?
 

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Ok I'll re-word it for you, so maybe I can get an answer this time. What if they got saved, changed, acted wickedly (commited murder), then got drunk and committed suicide. Are they still saved?
I cannot see the fruit of salvation in such a behavior.
 
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I have a questioin here to you all think God will save anyone from or at the Catholic church that are members of that Church and practicing Catholics? a few many or none no way at all?
lol you already know my answer.
 

tribesman

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So they lose their salvation?
When I say that I cannot see the fruit of salvation in such behavior it means that I very strongly doubt they were ever saved to start with.
 
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I have a questioin here to you all think God will save anyone from or at the Catholic church that are members of that Church and practicing Catholics? a few many or none no way at all?
Will we be deciding who will be going to Heaven or Hell if we say either way?
 

homwardbound

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1 Corinthians 11:2[ Head Coverings ] I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

2 Thessalonians 3:6[ Warning against Idleness ] Now we command you, beloved, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from believers who are living in idleness and not according to the tradition that they received from us.

You're right PS, we keep following these "man made" traditions. St. Paul must've been a heretic and evil then?



a question for you 7seven7 who are these traditions from? and what are the traditions that we or better yet that the Corinthians and Thessolonians received from Paul? I myself do not think they were not man made for Paul was not of the Law anymore he was and is of the Spirit of God that has passed onto all of us that beleive truth right? And this truth is Love right?
 

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1 Corinthians 11:2[ Head Coverings ] I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

2 Thessalonians 3:6[ Warning against Idleness ] Now we command you, beloved, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from believers who are living in idleness and not according to the tradition that they received from us.

You're right PS, we keep following these "man made" traditions. St. Paul must've been a heretic and evil then?

1Co 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

This is the keeping of the Lord's Supper, instituted by Jesus and delivered by Paul. Catholics have even managed to change that.


2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is man's tradition that needs to be avoided, I did not think I would need to say that.


2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

This is also very true. We need to withdraw ourselves from the tradition of disorderly men. i.e. those who change God's order.
 
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2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

This is also very true. We need to withdraw ourselves from the tradition on men.
The rebuke was on the brethren who walked disorderly and not after the tradition they received from Paul et al. They were to hold the traditions received from the apostles.

[h=3]2Thes.2[/h][15] Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.