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lol this was not a trick question. It was a very basic question referring to your beliefs on never losing your salvation. Just trying to get a little insight on the beliefs of Protestants, as an outsider. How can you tell me that a person can be saved but will never fall to the temptation of the evil one, turning their backs on Christ? You really think that this world is all nice and rosey, and being weak humans as we are, every one of us can refuse the temptations of the evil one after being saved. People it is not black and white. I'm telling you. lol I'm outa here. The contradictions in this philosophy are UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
I wonder if you would say the same thing to a non-believer who was just interested in the faith and just asking the exact same question out of pure interest. Think about that. Peace, and bye
I wonder if you would say the same thing to a non-believer who was just interested in the faith and just asking the exact same question out of pure interest. Think about that. Peace, and bye
We have not really the same mindset so it might be some misunderstandings here. I don't see it as "chances", because God is really able to keep those standing who fall down and rise up again. But those who fall and do not rise up I would strongly question to having ever been saved.
Let's look at one scriptural example:
These group is named dogs and hogs. A dog is not a sheep. Neither is a hog or a goat a sheep. The nature of the dog and the hog is to do what is spoken of here. It means that these dogs and hogs were always dogs and hogs and no sheep. At ANY time.
Let's look at one scriptural example:
These group is named dogs and hogs. A dog is not a sheep. Neither is a hog or a goat a sheep. The nature of the dog and the hog is to do what is spoken of here. It means that these dogs and hogs were always dogs and hogs and no sheep. At ANY time.
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No, it is a trick question. because scripture says if we break the LEAST of the law, you are found guilty by the whole law. People who continue to use murder and sins like this are trying to trick others. If you want to use that as an argument, stop using murder, and use a liar, or one who dishonors their parents..
The pharisees used these same arguments. And Jesus called them out.
if you think you are more righteous because you have not murdered. You do not know God or his law very well. ALL sin has the penalty of death, not just certain sins.. That is a phariseeic model of the law. Not Gods.
No I don;t think this. I think as Paul. I am a wretched man. I can not judge someone else because I STILL SIN. what would make me want to be a pharisee and judge others?
What is unbelievable is you act like a pharisee. and teach the same gospel of works. but because your church fathers tell you peter taught this, you agree with them.
Yeah I would. Like Paul, who had to call the corinthian church babes in Christ who were still living in all kinds of sexual sin. Because they had yet to grow in the knowledge of christ. So instead of giving them meat, he had to give the the basics all over again so they could grow and be more like Christ.
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No, brother, this is what I believe. That God has saved us by the Cross. But if I turn my back on Him out of pure weakness and ignorance, then I lose that privilage of salvation, because He is our God who loves us, not our God who is to be used by us. But the Almighty's understanding of our weaknesses and Love for us allows me to redeem myself a thousand times AS LONG AS I DO IT WITH A PURE HEART AND AN ABSOLUTE TRUE INTENTION TO NOT SIN AGAIN!! This does not mean that I believe I can sin all I like and as long as I go to confession I'll be ok. NO! I must LOVE first and foremost and also try with all my heart to live according to the Word and according to the Traditions left to us by His Apostles. When I say "with all my heart," God knows what's really in a person's heart, so there's no deceiving Him.
The trickyness with it lies much in the table reversed. That is how these people mean that one can attain, or win, and maintain salvation. It is here where the true colors shows. Because they do believe that salvation is by their own works or in some form, to some degree, conditioned on them. Usually they will not even say exactly how much works and repentance one must do in order to be saved and how one can be sure of rightly maintaining one's salvation. It is as important for these people to preach a gospel where salvation is conditioned on the sinner as it is to preach that this salvation may easily be forfeited. Where is the peace in this?
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lol Why are you twisting things on the attack now, buddy? I never judged anyone. I was just saying that God isn't one to be used for salvation then you can do whatever you like! And you guys are the ones who changed all the teachings kept by the Church for 1500 years because it suited you more. And don't forget, that my Chruch Fathers are yours too. Peace, champ
No I answered that chances are they were not ever saved by the fruit here as you descibed is a sign of not ever saved but ultimately it is God that makes that descion
traditions of St. Paul great where I understand Jesus said upon this rock I shall build (And Church is not the word used here in the original greek.) Ecclesia (meaning Calledd out ones) Church means building and this was changed to Church from Ecclesia the only place that they did not change Ecclesia was in acts when their was the dispute I think at athens ove rthe goddess Daina anyway if they would have put Church here then they would have been caught at this deception that has overtaken man into having to go to Church in order to be with God, This is a lie God lives inthe Believer and as we go we are to carry the Gospel with us ready to give a reason for our comfort and Joy in the Holy Ghost that not only live in us but thought he new life received by Faith and Faith alone through us period.
So the Ecclesia has been built and not at the same time. If you have ever read Acys about Stepahan whom was stoned to death. Doyou know why? It was the religous leaders that stoned Stephan ot death the reason was because Stephan said to them that God does not live in buildings. Now theyt were pissed of Foirst this Jesus that they had crucified usurped their authority and people were looking ofr Christ were he was at and not going to the synogogue and therefore they were not getting their tithes. Without them reralizing this they recieved the evil thought of Wow!!!! all these people following this Christ and we are not getting any recognition and we kicked him out and now how are we goign to feed ourselves no koney coming in . Therfore Job security by the thoughts of the religous leaders and no fame, no control over the masses so this got them to plan to get rid of Jesus.
And to this very day the gates of Hell has never prevailed against this one time death of Christ that he freed us all from the Law the letter of and after the death brought us all that believe new life a life of Love that is unconditional as 1 Cor 13 states. Now this type of Love is unnatural and mankind can't do this type of love ever, that is why after the one that believes first agrees with God that God by himself forgave them all sins and that they are dead because of Sin and need life. So that one agrees to to be dead with the death of Christ, and made alive anew in the resurrection of Christ here and Now and God does this for the believer, but if one, anyone doubts this truth then one stays stuck still in the old life trying to be good and just not ever making it. Give up the flesh and be alive in the Spirit of God by the operation of God starting at the death of Christ
Romans 6:1-11 explains this operation well
traditions of St. Paul great where I understand Jesus said upon this rock I shall build (And Church is not the word used here in the original greek.) Ecclesia (meaning Calledd out ones) Church means building and this was changed to Church from Ecclesia the only place that they did not change Ecclesia was in acts when their was the dispute I think at athens ove rthe goddess Daina anyway if they would have put Church here then they would have been caught at this deception that has overtaken man into having to go to Church in order to be with God, This is a lie God lives inthe Believer and as we go we are to carry the Gospel with us ready to give a reason for our comfort and Joy in the Holy Ghost that not only live in us but thought he new life received by Faith and Faith alone through us period.
So the Ecclesia has been built and not at the same time. If you have ever read Acys about Stepahan whom was stoned to death. Doyou know why? It was the religous leaders that stoned Stephan ot death the reason was because Stephan said to them that God does not live in buildings. Now theyt were pissed of Foirst this Jesus that they had crucified usurped their authority and people were looking ofr Christ were he was at and not going to the synogogue and therefore they were not getting their tithes. Without them reralizing this they recieved the evil thought of Wow!!!! all these people following this Christ and we are not getting any recognition and we kicked him out and now how are we goign to feed ourselves no koney coming in . Therfore Job security by the thoughts of the religous leaders and no fame, no control over the masses so this got them to plan to get rid of Jesus.
And to this very day the gates of Hell has never prevailed against this one time death of Christ that he freed us all from the Law the letter of and after the death brought us all that believe new life a life of Love that is unconditional as 1 Cor 13 states. Now this type of Love is unnatural and mankind can't do this type of love ever, that is why after the one that believes first agrees with God that God by himself forgave them all sins and that they are dead because of Sin and need life. So that one agrees to to be dead with the death of Christ, and made alive anew in the resurrection of Christ here and Now and God does this for the believer, but if one, anyone doubts this truth then one stays stuck still in the old life trying to be good and just not ever making it. Give up the flesh and be alive in the Spirit of God by the operation of God starting at the death of Christ
Romans 6:1-11 explains this operation well
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The fact that I have been shown so much mis-leadership by the Protestant leaders to all you followers of theirs about the Catholic Church, which as a result breeds alot of bitterness and judgement towards us from you, makes it increasingly easy for me to say that I could NEVER, as a practicing Christian, join any branch of Protestantism for the simple fact that they concentrate so much on defaming the Catholic Church, who in ACTUAL FACT, whether you like it or not, are your brothers and sisters in Christ, and are targeted by the muslims, the athiests, and governments all over the world (who have all got evil influences on this world), along with the Protestants, who should be standing firm with us to conquer evil. From what I've seen, the intentions of the founder of this chat site were pure and good, but the result was far less as far as Christian fellowship with ALL CHRISTIANS goes. I have had an answer to every question that I have received from every non-Catholic, and for the most part, the more I answered the more bitterness I received. God bless you all. And know this, that even though I have seen all this, I understand why you believe it and I still love you, and until the day I die, I will pray for unity within all Christian Churches and every follower of Christ. Goodbye.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 1:12-14[/h]
[SUP]12 [/SUP]What I mean is that each of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? [SUP]14 [/SUP]I thank God[SUP][a][/SUP] that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
Matthew 16:18-20
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
[h=3]1 Corinthians 1:12-14[/h]
[SUP]12 [/SUP]What I mean is that each of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? [SUP]14 [/SUP]I thank God[SUP][a][/SUP] that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,
Matthew 16:18-20
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
I absolutely approve of this post Brother a contrite heart and if you wish or like I have a blogger at www.godjustloveyou.blogspot.com For that is just what I heard you say that you know that God just love you period. there might be some meat for you there to chew on as you grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ