For then shall be great tribulation

[zone]

Don’t know zone but I wonder if it’s in the book, because that would be harder to correct

Looks like somebody is selling his book, or is that him ?

Its sounds something like Jesus would do. $12.65
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ya peter....been there done all that.
but with the flak from ellis' disciples, why should i knock myself out?
glad you're doing it though.

anyone can.

but - we love NEW things, and NEW soteriologies ONE guy figures out, we're willing to agree that an Ergun terrorist's relatives can be Old Testament Wineskins who were mercifully blinded (to preserve them from exploding), and sang about a messiah.....and were saved while simultaneously rejecting Jesus of Nazareth.

that's proof ellis' zionist approved propaganda is true.

i wonder if Therapon has received the "Righteous Gentile" award from Talmudic Judaism.

 

[zone]

Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the Law of Moses, because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.

Dual-covenant theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

 

[zone]

It’s not a man with seven heads its figuratively in the spirit behind the scenes behind the situation

And nobody has ever asked anyone to believe that it’s a seven headed man or animal

As therapon puts it in his Study Guide. “and That’s what we are supposed to believe”

I have never heard Christians teach it as a seven headed man or animal “and That’s what we are supposed to believe”

I think all Christian doctrines teach it as figuratively

ellis says the man of sin is a religion: Islam
figure that one out.

 

[Therapon]

this is slick.
i kinda almost admire the gall.
really i do.

Thank you Zone, I bask in the pleasant warmth of your approval.

 

[Therapon]

ellis says the man of sin is a religion: Islam
figure that one out.

You are, surprise, surprise, once again misrepresenting what I have written.

 

[zone]

You are, surprise, surprise, once again misrepresenting what I have written.

elis....even though you don't read or write hebrew, you claim this:


"The key is hidden in the Hebrew word,
shavuim. Shavuim is a unique plural form of the Hebrew word
Shavua, which is defined as a seven or a week.

SHAVUOT AND SHAVUIM

What follows may be a bit technical, but it.s a .one brick at a
time. empirical argument. All the evidence needs to be in place
before the conclusions we can draw from them make any sense.
Everywhere in the Old Testament, except in the book of Daniel,
the Hebrew words shavuot or shavua are used to express a seven
or a week. However, in Daniel an unusual word for seven is used:
shavuim, the masculine plural form of shavuot. This plural form
appears ONLY in Daniel and even here, shavuim is used only four
times, three of which are in the 70 Weeks! So why is an unusual
plural form of the word for seven used here?
Because it is meant to be a plural, that.s why!
The 70th Week is not just one week of years -- it is a plural of
weeks of years or a multiple of weeks of years.

Pg 5 Daniel’s 70th Week"
.......

Daniel 9:24-27
(24) Seventy sevens (shboim shboim – both plural) are decreed as to your people, and as to your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make atonement for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.

(25) Know, then, and understand that from the going out of a word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem, to Messiah the Prince, shall be seven weeks (shboim - plural) and sixty two weeks (ushboim - plural). The street shall be built again, and the wall, even in times of affliction.

(26) And after sixty two weeks (eshboim – plural), Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself. And the people of a coming ruler shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end shall be with the flood, and ruins are determined, and war shall be until the end.

(27) And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week (shbuo – singular). And in the middle of the week (eshbuo – singular) he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on a corner of the altar will be abominations that desolate, even until the end. And that which was decreed shall pour out on the desolator.

Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia
Masoretic Text

....................

"What follows may be a bit technical, but it.s a .one brick at a
time. empirical argument. All the evidence needs to be in place
before the conclusions we can draw from them make any sense.
Everywhere in the Old Testament, except in the book of Daniel,
the Hebrew words shavuot or shavua are used to express a seven
or a week. However, in Daniel an unusual word for seven is used:
shavuim, the masculine plural form of shavuot. This plural form
appears ONLY in Daniel and even here, shavuim is used only four
times, three of which are in the 70 Weeks! So why is an unusual
plural form of the word for seven used here?
Because it is meant to be a plural, that.s why!
The 70th Week is not just one week of years -- it is a plural of
weeks of years or a multiple of weeks of years.
Pg 5 Daniel’s 70th Week



ellis, is the last instance of "seven" ACTUALLY in the plural form?
yes or no?

 

[zone]

You are, surprise, surprise, once again misrepresenting what I have written.

spell it out.
in one post.

 

[zone]

You are, surprise, surprise, once again misrepresenting what I have written.

was Hitler was the “little horn” of Daniel 7?
and will the “little horn” of Daniel 8 be an Islamic Military General?

 

[zone]

Thank you Zone, I bask in the pleasant warmth of your approval.

you're a false teacher and your teachings are quackery.

 

[zone]

the Two Witnesses - OLD TESTAMENT WINE SKIN JEWS who never received the NEW WINE because they would perish, AND CHRISTIANS (of some bizarre "Christian Era") are the TWO WITNESSES.....and they lie 'dead in the street' from 688 A.D. to 1967 A.D.
Graph 18, The False Prophet

pure nonsense.
magic math.

NO CHRIST CRUCIFIED IN THE 70TH WEEK....no Atonement made by a Personal Savior named Jesus of Nazareth - FOR DANIEL'S PEOPLE - THE JEWS...just as Promised.

some crackpot idea Jews can adhere to a Covenant which no longer exists.

Dual Covenant HERESY.

but IT SELLS BOOKS especially in post 9-11 TERROR-land, doesn't it ellis?

 

[Therapon]

you're a false teacher and your teachings are quackery.

What, no red suit? No horns or barbed tail? LOL. You better get with it, Zone, there are a few accusations you missed.

 

[peterT]

The Church is going to be on earth until the Last Trumpet sounds, 1Cor 15:51-52, so the Church is going to be right here on Earth through the Seals of Rev 6 and six of the Seven Trumpets of Rev 8 through 11. The Last Trumpet does not sound until Rev 11:15.

Just been reading your Study Guide

My god man you have turned the living water of life into a dry and dusty baron ground of history. Fountains of living water that bring life to the hungry soul into little stories of history.

You have turned the Bible into a book that only scholar can interpret and understand

The simplicity that is in Christ has eluded you, putting the Bible out of reach for most of the planet through your ( I want to be a scholar) desire. On one can hear from God and understand his plan and spirit like us scholar

How to bury the word of God, just read ellis skolfield Study Guide

You are all over the shop, jumping from one part to another with a “could it be” and assuming and assumptions and thinking in the flesh. forcing scripture to make it fit your theory, all that so you can dis prove a 7 year trib and a pre-trib rapture (but you don’t need to be a scholar to disprove that) and so you could make the bible fit your theory of 1948 and 1967 and salvation without Christ.

You turned all prophesy into history except the bit you where you knew you wouldn’t get away with it, the last trumpet and Jesus coming in the clouds, so you doubled up the meaning, saying its fulfilled already and it hasn’t happened yet at the same time, because you would have never got away with it otherwise.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

And you are at the ferry top of the list, maybe even No1

And the irony is you think you are doing Gods will, like the verse

John 16:2 -- the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

He was so sure he was doing Gods will but was so of track

Just like Bruton Daniel's End Times Prophecy Timeline video, you have missed the basic scripture, for Dewey it was 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. That was his mistake

And yours is

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

there is no Jew or Greek in Christ Jesus, nor a gentile in Christ Jesus, we are new creatures in Christ Jesus, born again, all things new, old things are passed away, we are not gentles any more

Go and do your Study Guide again and keep that verse in mind

 

[Graybeard]

Yes the Lord does, and He told us exactly what His plan is. We in the Church are going to be taken to be with the Lord at the "Last Trumpet," 1Cor 15:51-52 and the Last Trumpet in the Bible blows in Revelation 11:15. As a result, the Church is going to be on Earth until Revelation 11:15, like it or not. That is not guesswork theology, brother, but a scriptural given!

I once heard a teaching a while back, can't remember details but in a nutshell it was about the trumpet sounds which correlated with I think the Jewish Feasts in that they always where in groups of three......do you know anything about this?....just asking as I remember it was very interesting, just wish I could recall it.

 

[Anonimous]

I once heard a teaching a while back, can't remember details but in a nutshell it was about the trumpet sounds which correlated with I think the Jewish Feasts in that they always where in groups of three......do you know anything about this?....just asking as I remember it was very interesting, just wish I could recall it.

I read something about that as well. Can't remember for the life of me right now. But I did read in a commentary that in the OT trumpet blasts (3) were used to call the people to a gathering. At the third blast the reason for the gathering was given. Kinda like..."at the last trump?" Who knows. Something to consider?

 

[Graybeard]

........
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

there is no Jew or Greek in Christ Jesus, nor a gentile in Christ Jesus, we are new creatures in Christ Jesus, born again, all things new, old things are passed away, we are not gentles any more
........

Just a thought here peterT.....if this is so, and the Scripture does say so, what then are we to do with this verse so many uphold:

1Co 14:34  Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 
1Co 14:35  And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

 

[Graybeard]

yes, and also what was interesting is that no-one at the time questioned what was meant by the "last trumpet" simply because they were already familiar with the three trumpet blasts......

 

[zone]

What, no red suit? No horns or barbed tail? LOL. You better get with it, Zone, there are a few accusations you missed.

do you want accolades and praise for corrupting the Word & Plan?
and the people?

 

[Therapon]

Just been reading your Study Guide

My god man you have turned the living water of life into a dry and dusty baron ground of history. Fountains of living water that bring life to the hungry soul into little stories of history.You have turned the Bible into a book that only scholar can interpret and understand.

That is not true, but that Study Guide isn’t for everyone; I have given it to senior pastors who responded just like you did and I've given it to little housewives who said, "I understood every word and praise the Lord I now understand Revelation." It’s strong meat, for which many are not suited. The Study Guide is primarily about the fulfillment of Bible prophecy in our own time, but it also has a strong salvation message, to which many can attest. If you doubt that, go to Amazon.com and read the reviews.

 

[anogamesgirl]

No Antichrist? You've got to be kidding. Anyone against Christ is anti Christ. 1 John 2:18: Little children, it is the last time and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it si the last time.

 

[Therapon]

No Antichrist? You've got to be kidding. Anyone against Christ is anti Christ. 1 John 2:18: Little children, it is the last time and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it si the last time.

Absolutely correct, biblically there have been many antichrists and there will continue to be until the Lord returns.