For then shall be great tribulation

[eternally-gratefull]

Ellis says often that 1948 changes much...

Who does the change benefit?

right now. no one.. The area is still in a state of war and flux. And people are still not coming to Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are we to forget that it was only 3 years after world war 2 ended.

Alot happened. the un wanted to make a 3 nation state, a palestinain, A jewish and an Arab state after the british palestine charter expired in 1948.

The jews said yes. the arabs and the palestinains said no. which that have always done.

in 1948, when the british charter expired. Isreal declared itself independant. If people would have left it alone, it would have been settled. or if the arabs and palestinains agreed, there would have been three nations and peace. But they would not do it.

The day after the charter expired and Isreal declared itself an independant state, 4 arab countries attacked them.

So who is trying to not have peace? Isreal. or the arab states?

 

[loveme1]

Alot happened. the un wanted to make a 3 nation state, a palestinain, A jewish and an Arab state after the british palestine charter expired in 1948.

The jews said yes. the arabs and the palestinains said no. which that have always done.

in 1948, when the british charter expired. Isreal declared itself independant. If people would have left it alone, it would have been settled. or if the arabs and palestinains agreed, there would have been three nations and peace. But they would not do it.

The day after the charter expired and Isreal declared itself an independant state, 4 arab countries attacked them.

So who is trying to not have peace? Isreal. or the arab states?

So the people are now waiting for something or someone to come and bring them 'peace' in 'their' land?

 

[Therapon]

Ellis, please share with us what you learnt and why you rejected and then what happened.
i don't think you wrote those books for profit but in belief you were doing a service.
When we first met last year, i did note much was available for free through your site it did not come across as a "prosperity" movement. What if 1948 was part of the Rebellious Jews plan to take back what they believe they have a right to?

First of all, the Lord gave the holy land to the physical seed of Abraham and as Scripture states, "in Isaac shall thy seed be called," so the sons of Ishmael, the Arabs, are not included. God gave the land to the Jews in perpetuity, so no one has the right to take it away from them.

Now on to the rest of your questions: When I was a student at Columbia Bible College in the early 50s (a school with conservative Baptist theology), my central interests were Biblical archaeology and eschatology. I learned all the end-time views that were not considered heretical: Historicism, Preterism, Dispensationalism, etc., in all their various forms.

When my studies were finished, the Lord didn’t lead me directly into the ministry, but allowed me to go into the business world for 35 years, where I became just like one of the unsaved and worse, a drunken adulterer. One evening, a person came aboard my yacht, took my bottle out of my hand, threw it over the side and said, "Ellis, the Lord wants you to teach His word and you can’t teach it as a drunk."

I went down into my stateroom, got on my knees and told the Lord that I’d been trying to stop drinking for five years but I was bound by alcohol and couldn’t. However, I would obey Him if He would help me." I’d been drunk for 90 days and should’ve gone to the hospital, but the next morning I was cold sober, no DTs, no nothing and I was no longer an alcoholic.

Had a successful advertising business, but sold it and gave the rest of my life to the Lord. I started studying Scripture again and guess where the Lord put me? In my old interests of eschatology and Biblical archaeology. Then the Lord began opening His word with the day-years in both Daniel and Revelation, then the Two Witnesses, of Rev 11, then the three beasts in Revelation 13 and 17, on and on studying Scripture 6 to 12 hours a day for the next four years. Learning a new discipline was just like Scripture says, it was "line upon line, line upon line a little here a little there," until a totally new picture of God’s plan for it His creation began to appear and I’m still learning.

But spiritual growth is a gradual thing. For the first few years, I thought I was going to make millions of dollars like Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, Jack Van impe and the rest of the false prophets, but the Lord reminded me that His servants don’t make merchandise of His word, so we began giving everything away and the Lord has blessed the ministry ever since. We don’t have much to speak of, live in a dumpy little two-bedroom place, but couldn’t care less. I wouldn’t trade what the Lord has put in my heart for all the gold on Earth.


　

　

　

 

[Therapon]

Thats interesting. I learned all the fables you believe in, And through study of the word realised they were not lining up with what God said, and changed my belief system to fit the word. Not the doctrines I learned from men.

I know you believe what you are saying to be true, but if it really was, you would agree with me. <smile>

 

[loveme1]

First of all, the Lord gave the holy land to the physical seed of Abraham and as Scripture states, "in Isaac shall thy seed be called," so the sons of Ishmael, the Arabs, are not included. God gave the land to the Jews in perpetuity, so no one has the right to take it away from them.

Now on to the rest of your questions: When I was a student at Columbia Bible College in the early 50s (a school with conservative Baptist theology), my central interests were Biblical archaeology and eschatology. I learned all the end-time views that were not considered heretical: Historicism, Preterism, Dispensationalism, etc., in all their various forms.

When my studies were finished, the Lord didn’t lead me directly into the ministry, but allowed me to go into the business world for 35 years, where I became just like one of the unsaved and worse, a drunken adulterer. One evening, a person came aboard my yacht, took my bottle out of my hand, threw it over the side and said, "Ellis, the Lord wants you to teach His word and you can’t teach it as a drunk."

I went down into my stateroom, got on my knees and told the Lord that I’d been trying to stop drinking for five years but I was bound by alcohol and couldn’t. However, I would obey Him if He would help me." I’d been drunk for 90 days and should’ve gone to the hospital, but the next morning I was cold sober, no DTs, no nothing and I was no longer an alcoholic.

Had a successful advertising business, but sold it and gave the rest of my life to the Lord. I started studying Scripture again and guess where the Lord put me? In my old interests of eschatology and Biblical archaeology. Then the Lord began opening His word with the day-years in both Daniel and Revelation, then the Two Witnesses, of Rev 11, then the three beasts in Revelation 13 and 17, on and on studying Scripture 6 to 12 hours a day for the next four years. Learning a new discipline was just like Scripture says, it was "line upon line, line upon line a little here a little there," until a totally new picture of God’s plan for it His creation began to appear and I’m still learning.

But spiritual growth is a gradual thing. For the first few years, I thought I was going to make millions of dollars like Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, Jack Van impe and the rest of the false prophets, but the Lord reminded me that His servants don’t make merchandise of His word, so we began giving everything away and the Lord has blessed the ministry ever since. We don’t have much to speak of, live in a dumpy little two-bedroom place, but couldn’t care less. I wouldn’t trade what the Lord has put in my heart for all the gold on Earth.


　

　

　

Firstly to your first few lines

Except He that gave them the land and then scattered?

Abraham obtained the promise through Faith.

The problem is that they did not have Faith...



Romans 4

6Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: 20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Thank you for sharing some of your journey with us

 

[Therapon]

So the people are now waiting for something or someone to come and bring them 'peace' in 'their' land?

To quote the prime minister of Israel, "If the Arabs would put down their weapons there would be no troubles in the Middle East, but if Israel put down her weapons, there would soon be no Israel." That's not exact, just the best I can remember it.

 

[loveme1]

To quote the prime minister of Israel, "If the Arabs would put down their weapons there would be no troubles in the Middle East, but if Israel put down her weapons, there would soon be no Israel." That's not exact, just the best I can remember it.

You see there is no if we Repent and make peace with God through Faith in the Messiah who came and will return.

It is all carnal not Spiritual...

 

[Therapon]

Firstly to your first few lines

Except He that gave them the land and then scattered?
Abraham obtained the promise through Faith.
The problem is that they did not have Faith...

Yes God scattered the Jews just as his word prophesied, but He gathered them again to the land in 1948 just is His word also prophesied. God did give the land to the physical seed of Abraham, forever, and God never breaks a promise so land is theirs. The Jews owning the land does not depend upon their faith or sanctity, but on their covenant keeping God.

Dear lady, if the Jews can't trust in the promises God gave them, then we have no basis for trusting in the promises God gave us

 

[loveme1]

Yes God scanned the Jews just as his word prophesied, but He gathered them again to the land in 1948 just is His word also prophesied. God did give the land to the physical seed of Abraham, forever, and God never breaks a promise so land is theirs.

Matthew 24

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So who is the elect being gathered from the four winds?

You can not claim this is 1948 because the sun is not darkened i saw it earlier and the moon gives her light and the stars are still in the sky.

 

[Therapon]

Matthew 24
So who is the elect being gathered from the four winds?

Every soul who belongs to the Lord, both Jew and Gentile.

 

[loveme1]

Heavenly Father has been Faithful and True throughout it is the creation that goes whoring and doing things he detests.

He is a Righteous, Wonderful, Merciful, Gracious God that us ungrateful hateful beings have rebelled like spoiled children that were never thankful.

i consider some are attempting a coup and pushing the dual Covenant theology to deceive people to help them with their evil agenda.

Of course much would have to go into convincing the folks...

Ellis remember what the Messiah said:


John 14

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[loveme1]

Ellis, i do not believe you would knowingly push this agenda.

Someone said to me once they created a lie to cover the truth to get me to do something i would not do if i knew the truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know you believe what you are saying to be true, but if it really was, you would agree with me. <smile>

lol. I wish I could. But scripture does not allow me too

 

[zone]

Yes God scattered the Jews just as his word prophesied, but He gathered them again to the land in 1948 just is His word also prophesied. God did give the land to the physical seed of Abraham, forever, and God never breaks a promise so land is theirs. The Jews owning the land does not depend upon their faith or sanctity, but on their covenant keeping God.

Dear lady, if the Jews can't trust in the promises God gave them, then we have no basis for trusting in the promises God gave us

this sounds identical to another false teacher on this forum.

 

[zone]

Alot happened. the un wanted to make a 3 nation state, a palestinain, A jewish and an Arab state after the british palestine charter expired in 1948.

The jews said yes. the arabs and the palestinains said no. which that have always done.

in 1948, when the british charter expired. Isreal declared itself independant. If people would have left it alone, it would have been settled. or if the arabs and palestinains agreed, there would have been three nations and peace. But they would not do it.

The day after the charter expired and Isreal declared itself an independant state, 4 arab countries attacked them.

So who is trying to not have peace? Isreal. or the arab states?

ugh....hack history.
if only you'd go learn the real thing.

 

[zone]

1948 and the restoration of the nation of Israel fulfills more Bible prophecy than almost any other event during the Christian era.

ya.....teeny prophecies concerning little tiny jesus

hardly made a blip on the ISRAEL landscape

 

[Abiding]

Pentecost got left out also...oh well another blip i spose.

 

[1still_waters]

. The Jews owning the land does not depend upon their faith or sanctity, but on their covenant keeping God.

WRONG.

Its all tied to their obedience.


Leviticus 26


27 “‘If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. 31 I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. 32 I myself will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. 33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins. 34 Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time that it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. 35 All the time that it lies desolate, the land will have the rest it did not have during the sabbaths you lived in it.



Coming back is conditioned on obedience.


40 “‘But if they will confess their sins and the sins of their ancestors—their unfaithfulness and their hostility toward me, 41 which made me hostile toward them so that I sent them into the land of their enemies—then when their uncircumcised hearts are humbled and they pay for their sin, 42 I will remember my covenant with Jacob and my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land. 43 For the land will be deserted by them and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them. They will pay for their sins because they rejected my laws and abhorred my decrees.


The Jews there now are not obedient covenant keepers or Messiah followers.

 

[zone]

Pentecost got left out also...oh well another blip i spose.

no...that was supposedly the holocaust > valley of dry bones and all that.
but one good GAP deserves another.