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Hi Laodicea and JaumeJ,
To help me be certain I understand your doctrine clearly, can you answer these questions.
If a Christian does not keep the Sabbath are they unrighteous? Are they sinning?
And since the day you received Jesus have you perfectly kept the law/10 commandments every day since then?
To help me be certain I understand your doctrine clearly, can you answer these questions.
If a Christian does not keep the Sabbath are they unrighteous? Are they sinning?
And since the day you received Jesus have you perfectly kept the law/10 commandments every day since then?
Why do you not go to the grain and ask if it is right to pay tribute to Caesar? Of course anyone who acts with a clear conscience to God is not guilty of transgression. One man may esteem one day over another and he is without sin, while another may not, both are justified providing they act in faith. Also, who told you what I have to share and discuss is doctrine, only the Gospel is doctrine? You know this as you pose your questions. Praise God Almighty! Please temper your questions with reason and good faith.
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Why do we pick 2 laws (tithing and Sabbath) of the 613 in the Bible and ignore all the rest?
It just makes no sense to say we must follow the Sabbath but then ignore everything else.
For a Christian the Sabbath is believing and trusting in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 4:For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."
This passage truly explains the Sabbath issue for Christians. The Sabbath rest can only be entered into by BELIEF. The Jews, who have been keeping Sabbath for 4,000 years, have not entered into rest, because of UNBELIEF. It is faith in Christ that keeps Sabbath. If we are resting, we have ceased from works - meaning we no longer try to obtain righteousness before God through our actions. So how is righteousness obtained? It is imputed from Christ when we put our faith in Him.
Jesus Christ, The Lord summarized The Law for Christians:
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[SUP]35 [/SUP]Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets." - Matthew 22
So our Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ, provided the law for the church. That is it right there. ALL OF THE LAW hangs on those two commandments from Jesus. So do we believe the clear text or are we going to keep trying our own ideas, twists and reimaginations of Scripture?
So do I keep the Sabbath? YES. Every single day. Because I BELIEVE in my Savior Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of my sins.
It just makes no sense to say we must follow the Sabbath but then ignore everything else.
For a Christian the Sabbath is believing and trusting in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 4:For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."
This passage truly explains the Sabbath issue for Christians. The Sabbath rest can only be entered into by BELIEF. The Jews, who have been keeping Sabbath for 4,000 years, have not entered into rest, because of UNBELIEF. It is faith in Christ that keeps Sabbath. If we are resting, we have ceased from works - meaning we no longer try to obtain righteousness before God through our actions. So how is righteousness obtained? It is imputed from Christ when we put our faith in Him.
Jesus Christ, The Lord summarized The Law for Christians:
"
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets." - Matthew 22
So our Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ, provided the law for the church. That is it right there. ALL OF THE LAW hangs on those two commandments from Jesus. So do we believe the clear text or are we going to keep trying our own ideas, twists and reimaginations of Scripture?
So do I keep the Sabbath? YES. Every single day. Because I BELIEVE in my Savior Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of my sins.
My understanding is the observance of the Sabbath is the Original Post. As for selecting two laws to observe, this has not been my sharing.
There is never an expiration on any guide to good and moral behavior. The laws governing these aspects of existence will always be extant.
God is good all of the time, and He has taught those who are able to learn what to do when or if ever in doubt.
The laws of God are good instructing the soul. His mercy endures forever, and though we do live in grace, to deliberately transgress any instruction directing to good behavior is still sin, and it is an abuse of Christ on the Cross.
There is never an expiration on any guide to good and moral behavior. The laws governing these aspects of existence will always be extant.
God is good all of the time, and He has taught those who are able to learn what to do when or if ever in doubt.
The laws of God are good instructing the soul. His mercy endures forever, and though we do live in grace, to deliberately transgress any instruction directing to good behavior is still sin, and it is an abuse of Christ on the Cross.
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So then it's fair to assume that you are imposing the death penalty and/or completely cutting off all communication on those around you who are not keeping Sabbath, right?
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. - Exodus 31:14.
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. - Exodus 31:14.
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Again, who is transgressing? As I said, I observe the Sabbath every single day. God has taught us, but we have to take the time to study His Word and understand His will. The Old Testament Sabbath was a type and shadow of the rest we have in Christ Jesus. You have not addressed any of the Scriptures I posted that explain this clearly. Just saying "well you're transgressing the law..." is not edifying when you do not divide the New testament explanation of the sabbath.
This issue is a major source of controversy in the church and really, it shouldn't be at all.
This issue is a major source of controversy in the church and really, it shouldn't be at all.
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It is impossible to keep the sabbath of the Lord every day. We can rest in Him everyday but, we cannot keep the sabbath of the Lord everyday. God only blessed one day not all seven. To keep a day holy that God has not made holy is to offer common for the holy just like Aaron's sons.
Leviticus 10:1-2 KJV
(1) And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
(2) And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.
Leviticus 10:1-2 KJV
(1) And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
(2) And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.
Once more, why not ask if it is lawful to pay tribute to Caesar. Just about everyone here in favor of observing what God says on the subject of the seventh day does not condemn anyone for observing it a different day. Now you should be worhiping Yahweh every day. It is odd you think observing the Sabbath is the equivalent of worshiping our Heavenly Father one day a week.
I don't get it, If I worship everyday, what does that have to with Rome. The fact is that when Jesus died on the cross and we place our faith in that. He is our Sabbath. We are free from the power of sin and rest in Him. If you want to follow law then take your lamb to Jerusalem and offer it on the alter in front of the temple.and let the priest sprinkle its blood thereon for your atonement.
Yes it has, and so some new covenant scripture for after the death of Christ we today are in a new covenant Hebrews9:15-17
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, [SUP]17 [/SUP]because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
Now since we are in a new covenant new law The Law of liberty God's love as in 1 Cor 13 that we receive under the new life for where there is a change in the Law there must also be a change in the priesthood and Christ was notfrom the arronic priesthood
Hebrews 7
First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” [SUP]3 [/SUP]Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
[h=3]Jesus Like Melchizedek[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. [SUP]13 [/SUP]He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, [SUP]16 [/SUP]one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless [SUP]19 [/SUP](for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, [SUP]21 [/SUP]but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; [SUP]24 [/SUP]but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, [SUP]17 [/SUP]because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
Now since we are in a new covenant new law The Law of liberty God's love as in 1 Cor 13 that we receive under the new life for where there is a change in the Law there must also be a change in the priesthood and Christ was notfrom the arronic priesthood
Hebrews 7
First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” [SUP]3 [/SUP]Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
[h=3]Jesus Like Melchizedek[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. [SUP]13 [/SUP]He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, [SUP]16 [/SUP]one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless [SUP]19 [/SUP](for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, [SUP]21 [/SUP]but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; [SUP]24 [/SUP]but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.