What Happens When You Feel Like You're Losing Your Gender?

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seoulsearch

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Hey Everyone,

Here's something I've wanted to ask other singles for a while. Does being single and by yourself all the time make you forget that you even have a gender? I am definitely NOT talking about homosexuality, but rather, self-identification.

As most of you know, I've been single a long time--about 10 years. As I write about in many of my posts, I've followed all the "good Christian advice" I've ever been given and then some, but for whatever reason, and maybe it's God's will, here I am.

However, I find myself... over time... feeling as if I am androgynous, sexless, and without a gender, or at least, I may have a gender, but it doesn't mean anything to me.

I suppose part of it is good old-fashioned depression. The things I used to love that I felt defined me as feminine, I now have no interest in--sewing, cooking, jewelry, etc. (Besides, a lot of men enjoy these things too, which is great, but they used to help define me to myself as a woman.) Due to health concerns, I can no longer wear makeup, and I put my hair up in the same ponytail everyday. I don't bother with dresses or pretty clothes because 1. I come home covered in dust and dirt from work all day and 2. khakis and a t-shirt are just easier. I tell myself, why bother going through the trouble and expense, even for church? I can't use beauty products like I did when I was younger so I can't dress myself up to match the clothes. I have no children and have never really been a "kid" person so I feel like I've never had "the crowning jewel of femininity", which, according to culture, seems to be motherhood--nor do I desire it anymore.

I've dated some over the years, but you all know the stories. Obviously, nothing worked out. I'm all for openness but there ARE boundaries. My contact with "Christian" guys has been thoroughly disastrous (ALL YOU GOOD CHRISTIAN GUYS OUT THERE, WE APPRECIATE YOU AND HOPE WE GET THE NERVE TO TALK TO YOU SOON!) :)

I was very excited to meet one in particular, because my missionary friends set me up and this guy was a leader in his worship band, as well as having been a youth missionary as a teen. During our first meeting, he started telling me about how his ex-wife used to bribe him with sex to get him to do certain things, and he looked straight at me and said, "I would LOVE it if you tried to bribe me." I tried my best to be polite and contain the shocked feeling going through my brain. But as you can imagine, as soon as I could, I got up, walked away, and never looked back.

Something else I've run into a lot on Christian dating sites (AND AGAIN, GUYS, I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE LIKE THIS AT ALL--I GUESS IT'S JUST A BAD STREAK OF JERKS I'M GOING THROUGH) are guys who, without any prompting or reason to state this, tell me they left their wives because they didn't get enough sex or it wasn't experimental enough. (All my life, people have told me about their most personal problems--that's why at one time I wanted to be a psychologist.) I can sympathize with their problem, I really can. But to tell a complete stranger this right off the bat, and then start asking/making inappropriate comments to her about whether she'd be a "better" wife than his ex? As I stated in another post, epic, EPIC fail!!!

But it makes me feel numb... cold... and dead inside. I shrink a little bit... and the defeated part of me starts to say, "I guess if I continue towards genderlessness... maybe they won't talk to me like that."

Another telltale sign is that now the people I meet tell me, "OH, YOU JUST HAVE TO MEET... (MY DAUGHTER, SISTER, etc.)" NOT because they think I'm gay, but because they seem to imply I'm an old maid surrounded by women (which is very true) and who will only be around women the rest of her life (again, probably very true at this rate.)

It's getting to a point where I, like everyone else, would love the company of a special opposite gender someone but at the same time, am losing ground as to what makes me feel like I'm even a girl to begin with. I also try to ignore any and all sexual feelings (impossible of course but I do try) because it just gets a person into too much trouble and according to Christian doctrine, single people have to throw away/hide/suppress any and all sorts of feelings in that direction anyway. (But yet when you marry, you're supposed to be able to somehow "pull it all out" like an extra sweater you've long forgotten in the closet.)

So... I ask all my friends out there on CC--As a single person with no opposite-gender partner, WHAT DEFINES YOU AS A MAN OR A WOMAN? What activities, feelings, values, and morals remind you that you are either feminine or masculine? Is it through nurturing other people? Picking up something heavy? Working on cars? Riding at fast speeds? Opening the door for someone? Wearing certain clothes or makeup? Cooking? Baking? Singing? Volunteer work? Gardening? Working with tools?

Am I just going crazy (very, very possible!!!) or has anyone else felt like this? And how do you cope?
 
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I pee standing up.
 
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Relena7

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I can relate in the sense that there have been times I've gone so long without feeling like I fit in with any large group of people that I sometimes start to not feel human, lol.
 

seoulsearch

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I pee standing up.
Well Praise God you haven't lost that!!!

At work today in the women's restroom, one of the seats was up... I couldn't help but wonder if a man had snuck into our bathroom.
 
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dashadow

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I think this is a great thread. And I have some comments I'd like to share. But it's going to be a bit lengthy and I've got a few things to do. But as Arnold said, "I'll be back." Not that anyone would care to hear my opinion. :)
 
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well I like all those things feminine and masculine that u listed. I think I feel u with the no desire part and you nailed it with depression.as I shared with u losing john in Oct I think has made me numb a Lil. I don't wanna find someone I like it bring me and the kid. I dress up I dress down it depends. but the best way to feel different is to change things up.even if u don't want to even I'd its moy worth spending just do it. and know that I'm hugging u via internet
 
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Jordache

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Femininity is part of the image of God. So is masculinity. While women are by nature (created to be) more feminine, and men more masculine, we all certainly should carry both traits. I think the problem is that many times what we deem feminine and masculine are determined by society. I am slowly learning to embrace my femininity. It's hard. True femininity is responsiveness, the ability to create, surrender/obedience, intuition and sensitivity, gentleness, nuture, dreams/visions, simply being, and receptiveness. To embrace floral prints and flowy dresses is much farther down the list in order of importance. To embrace the feminine image of God in us isn't based on what we wear or how much we paint our faces. It would be comical to see God prancing around the garden garden with Adam and Eve in stilettos, red lipstick, and a fancy updo. The beauty of the beauty of the feminine he exuded came from his heart.
Being a woman who embraces femininity, in many ways, makes us vulnerable. But that is the beauty of the complementarity in God's creation of man and woman. I'll probably be verbally bashed by a few feminist leaning CC'ers, but I don't really care. The fact is even the bible says that part of man's job is to protect women. This is a simple point. I'm not saying women are weak or less than, simply that we are strong in different ways than men are.
Seoulsearch, femininity does involve beauty. It does mean we exercise self-care, but it doesn't mean that without a fresh manicure we become less feminine. The point is to cultivate a heart for God which includes the feminine and the masculine. As a spiritually healthy woman you will automatically lean towards more feminine traits, but we all carry a balance of both. Work on having a receptive heart that is ready to obey. Work on being submissive to Christ. Cultivate you gentleness and embrace your feminine intuition. That's the true feminine.

As far as outward appearances go, I find that if I actually take time to get ready, I often feel better. If I do not, if I simply throw on jeans and a sweathshirt over too many days, my mood declines quickly. That's not because jeans and sweatshirts are bad. But caring about what I look like is part of self-care. If I fail to care for too long... then it all goes downhill. When I feel really bad, like somewhere between dead and dying, I have been know to completely dress wrong for the occassion. I am not afraid to overdress. God wants you to treat yourself as beautiful. He wants you to care for yourself. Sometimes it's just a color. I toss on a bright blue shirt. Other times I wear an eyeliner that makes my eyes as green as possible. Sometimes I do my hair, go completely bare-faced, or give myself a manicure... It's not because I think I need those things to be valuable. It's because they are things I enjoy, and I believe God wants me to take care of myself. Don't be afraid to look beautiful for no apparent reason. Don't be afraid to make a reason to fell beautiful. Case and point... I have a friend who is ga-ga over beauty products. I've seen bare faced a million times, but this girl will do laundry in 6 in stilettos. She will never serve her husband dinner without those shoes. She is often spotted perfecting her little Betty Boop pout... but she believes that God wants her to feel beautiful, and this is what she likes.
 
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zaoman32

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I'm turned on by guys in mini-skirts...wait, uhhh....
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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I'm turned on by guys in mini-skirts...wait, uhhh....
ZAO, you seriously made me LOL with this. THANK YOU. :)

And thank you so much everyone for your thoughts... Jordache, I'm going to read your post a few more times to be able to absorb the wisdom. ;)
 
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I haven't been on a date or had a gf for so long and I've gotten so good at mentally suppressing my desires and hopes when I see or meet an attractive woman that I seriously wonder if I will ever be able to get that part of me back again.

I usually don't post things that are this personal. I will probably regret posting this later, but for once I want to answer one of Kim's threads. :/
 
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rachelsedge

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I was very excited to meet one in particular, because my missionary friends set me up and this guy was a leader in his worship band, as well as having been a youth missionary as a teen. During our first meeting, he started telling me about how his ex-wife used to bribe him with sex to get him to do certain things, and he looked straight at me and said, "I would LOVE it if you tried to bribe me." I tried my best to be polite and contain the shocked feeling going through my brain. But as you can imagine, as soon as I could, I got up, walked away, and never looked back.
Oh man. You did well at being polite. I would have thrown my drink in his face and walked out. I suppose that's not lady-like or Christ-like, but it's what my flesh would have wanted to do. What a bum.

I also try to ignore any and all sexual feelings (impossible of course but I do try) because it just gets a person into too much trouble and according to Christian doctrine, single people have to throw away/hide/suppress any and all sorts of feelings in that direction anyway. (But yet when you marry, you're supposed to be able to somehow "pull it all out" like an extra sweater you've long forgotten in the closet.)
I have always wondered this myself. One of my professors (at a Christian university, mind you) mentioned how some Christian couples, particularly women, have trouble on the first night because they have rejected and suppressed their sexuality for so long and now all of a sudden they're supposed to just flip it on like a light switch. It does make me wonder how the balance looks between recognizing and accepting your sexuality, yet not lusting or sinning with it.

Neither of those points has to do with the topic at hand, so I'm sorry that I can't have more beneficial input on the topic right now, seoulsearch, but those are things I wanted to address. :)
 
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arwen83

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Oh man. You did well at being polite. I would have thrown my drink in his face and walked out. I suppose that's not lady-like or Christ-like, but it's what my flesh would have wanted to do. What a bum.



I have always wondered this myself. One of my professors (at a Christian university, mind you) mentioned how some Christian couples, particularly women, have trouble on the first night because they have rejected and suppressed their sexuality for so long and now all of a sudden they're supposed to just flip it on like a light switch. It does make me wonder how the balance looks between recognizing and accepting your sexuality, yet not lusting or sinning with it.

Neither of those points has to do with the topic at hand, so I'm sorry that I can't have more beneficial input on the topic right now, seoulsearch, but those are things I wanted to address. :)
That is interesting! Makes sense, we're taught that sex is taboo; that it should be saved for marriage (which I agree), but some people go so far to say that sex in itself is a sin (even within marriage). Then you're married and suddenly it is okay? No longer a sin? Me thinks some Christian's sex lives are pretty dull, because the thought has been pressed so hard that sexual desires are bad, that it effects them subconsciously.

"Honey, were gonna do it tonight, but only cus we need to more helping hands on the farm. You better not enjoy it"
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^The epidemy of the perfectly dull Christian marriage. I'm gonna get me one of those!
 
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arwen83

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I think all they need is a good shag to liven things up :p
 
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iTOREtheSKY

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When I feel like I'm losing my gender I head to the evil empire that is Wal-Mart & pick up some extra minutes. LOL
 
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Hal51

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Good Lord, arwen is shocking the heck out of me. First I see her picture "wow" then she says "I think all they need is a good shag to liven things up" wow cold shower for Mr. Rios!
 

seoulsearch

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Oh man. You did well at being polite. I would have thrown my drink in his face and walked out. I suppose that's not lady-like or Christ-like, but it's what my flesh would have wanted to do. What a bum.

Actually, what happened is that this guy told me he really wanted to see me again, etc. and posted on his Facebook page that he "had just had lunch with a really cute girl." I felt really convicted about it all, and, the next day (only because I felt God was prompting me), called him and told him I would NOT be interested in seeing him again because I felt some of the things he'd said were totally inappropriate. He actually asked me, "Like what?!" and truly had no clue, which I had no problems spelling out for him.

I later learned that inappropriate behavior had been something he had a history with and other family members had tried to speak with him about it, but he always brushed it off. I honestly feel God "set me up" on purpose because He knew I'd say something. I'm sure the guy didn't change because of it, but it was one thing to be told by family and another to be told by someone you're attracted to that your behavior and speech are not in synch with what you claim to believe, and that you are not interested in him because of it. Not because I was better or superior, but because he made me downright uncomfortable.
I've had several instances like this occur during my single-dom and have often felt God put me in that position to stand up to that person.

It also gives me a chance to witness because if I ever do have a date, the people at work want to know all about it (because it's so rare, lol), and I'm pretty open about my life. Sometimes the way we live our lives is the most effective witness of all. People criticize me a lot ("We don't want to be like you, Kim, we want a real life,") but they also pay attention. One of the best compliments, and I think strongest witnesses I've had for God is when I've said, "NO, I absolutely did NOT sleep with him (because co-workers surely ask). In fact, I didn't even kiss him--it was a first date!! I expect to build something more meaningful than that," (I don't get "preachy", I give practical reasons and then talk about my faith gradually so as not to scare them off.) They might laugh at first, but the next day, my co-workers will often say, "I really respect you." It's usually a good doorway to say, "Hey, would you want to come check out my church sometime?" because if they respect who you are, they'll be more interested in what you believe in.
NOT that I'm perfect, of course, and I have my mistakes and admit them as well, but people tell me they respect me for being real, and I appreciate that.


I have always wondered this myself. One of my professors (at a Christian university, mind you) mentioned how some Christian couples, particularly women, have trouble on the first night because they have rejected and suppressed their sexuality for so long and now all of a sudden they're supposed to just flip it on like a light switch. It does make me wonder how the balance looks between recognizing and accepting your sexuality, yet not lusting or sinning with it.

Neither of those points has to do with the topic at hand, so I'm sorry that I can't have more beneficial input on the topic right now, seoulsearch, but those are things I wanted to address. :)
Not a problem at all, Rachel. I always enjoy reading people's thoughts and opinions, and there are several topics that can surface through the span of a thread.
 

seoulsearch

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Good Lord, arwen is shocking the heck out of me. First I see her picture "wow" then she says "I think all they need is a good shag to liven things up" wow cold shower for Mr. Rios!
I don't mean any disrespect here, but... DOWN, BOY, DOWN!!! ;)
 
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Hal51

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On a serious note soulsearch I find your dilemma interesting. I pray every night for the things that I think might have offended God and I ask for forgiveness but oh man if you dont use it you lose it, thats what my ma use to say. Fast and Pray you will recieve an answer.