Daniel is out of chronological order.

[zone]

BOOK, not VERSES

Ezra and Nehemiah and Jeremiah are BOOKS.
i will not be dealing with you on this matter either chris.
Ellis will either defend his work or he won't.

i'm not getting distracted by his groupies.
bye.

(here's my email if you ever decide to apologize [email protected])

 

[zone]

LOL, I don'r need to, Zone posted my old video for me.

Hebrew poetry is parallel in nature. A Hebrew poet would say something one way and then repeat the same idea later on in different words. These repeats could be a sentence, a paragraph, or even several chapters long. So how can we identify repetitive prophecies when we see them? By recognizing the Hebrew poetic style in which it was written.

The most elegant of the Old Testament poets was Isaiah. In his book we spot one poetic style very quickly. Isaiah is divided into two almost equal parts, and these two parts are repetitive.1 Isaiah 1 through 33 is parallel to Isaiah 34 through 66, not just in a general sense, but in actual content. The last half of Isaiah contains a different description of the same subjects that are covered in the first half. Textual scholars call this type of repetition the bifidic form.2

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That AB=BA stepladder is called a Chiasm,3 pronounced kee-ahzum. Chiasms appear throughout Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation.

What an author declares in the steps going up, he repeats in the steps going down.

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are these your words, Ellis? i'll wait before proceeding. don't want to MISREPRESENT anything you wrote.

also........do you read or write Hebrew OR Aramaic Ellis?

 

[cfultz3]

Ezra and Nehemiah and Jeremiah are BOOKS.
i will not be dealing with you on this matter either chris.
Ellis will either defend his work or he won't.

i'm not getting distracted by his groupies.
bye.

(here's my email if you ever decide to apologize [email protected])

But when one falsely accusing another in saying that are saying this or that when even that one knows they are not, then I will make a comment.

Anyone with ears to hear and eyes to see, can understand that he is speaking about the whole book of Daniel which was written in two languages. If 99.9999 percent of a book is written in one language with only about 2-4 verses in another language, it cannot be said that the whole book was written in two languages.

 

[JaumeJ]

The world is not waiting holding its breath to hear me share this, but I have always felt the entire Word does this, and we know it does in Isaiah, Revelation, Daniel, Zechariah, Amos, Joel and more, so what is new that I say here? Nothing. But I look forward to reading Isaiah for my first time in Hebrew. At the rate I am going, I may be asleep before that great time arrives. Thanks for the viewing facet............

Hebrew poetry is parallel in nature. A Hebrew poet would say something one way and then repeat the same idea later on in different words. These repeats could be a sentence, a paragraph, or even several chapters long. So how can we identify repetitive prophecies when we see them? By recognizing the Hebrew poetic style in which it was written.

The most elegant of the Old Testament poets was Isaiah. In his book we spot one poetic style very quickly. Isaiah is divided into two almost equal parts, and these two parts are repetitive.1 Isaiah 1 through 33 is parallel to Isaiah 34 through 66, not just in a general sense, but in actual content. The last half of Isaiah contains a different description of the same subjects that are covered in the first half. Textual scholars call this type of repetition the bifidic form.2

.....


That AB=BA stepladder is called a Chiasm,3 pronounced kee-ahzum. Chiasms appear throughout Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation.

What an author declares in the steps going up, he repeats in the steps going down.

.....

are these your words, Ellis? i'll wait before proceeding. don't want to MISREPRESENT anything you wrote.

also........do you read or write Hebrew OR Aramaic Ellis?

 

[Therapon]

you keep getting farther and farther away from just explaining why its out of order...

Yeah, I keep hearing that it's all nonsense so why cast pearls, they will only turn and rend me again?

 

[Therapon]

But when one falsely accusing another in saying that are saying this or that when even that one knows they are not, then I will make a comment.

Anyone with ears to hear and eyes to see, can understand that he is speaking about the whole book of Daniel which was written in two languages. If 99.9999 percent of a book is written in one language with only about 2-4 verses in another language, it cannot be said that the whole book was written in two languages.

LOL, get used to it, discrediting me seems to be Zone's mission in life.

 

[cfultz3]

Ezra and Nehemiah and Jeremiah are BOOKS.
i will not be dealing with you on this matter either chris.
Ellis will either defend his work or he won't.

i'm not getting distracted by his groupies.
bye.

(here's my email if you ever decide to apologize [email protected])

I do apology that it was I who had to point this contradiction out, when it needed not to be done in the first place if finding a fault was not the main reasoning behind pointing out something which was naturally understood to be correct. If a book is written about 50/50 in two languages and the other books 99.99/.01, then, without much ado, Daniel is the only BOOK written in two languages.

 

[zone]

Yeah, I keep hearing that it's all nonsense so why cast pearls, they will only turn and rend me again?

go ahead ellis....you have disciples here who want to know. cast those "pearls"

just ignore this swine if that's what works for you.

but i'll be posting EVERYTHING i learned about your antichristian antisemitic nongospel which claims JEWS are saved PRECISELY BY NOT accepting Jesus!

they're saved in hardening because they just couldn't handle THAT NAME.
disgusting.

and we ought to be shoulder to shoulder with OUR BROTHERS THE PHARISEES.

carry on ellis....tell us WHY it's out of order.

 

[zone]

LOL, get used to it, discrediting me seems to be Zone's mission in life.

you think it's been fun to read your deceptive junk?
it's been horrible.
you did this to YOURSELF.

do you read or write Hebrew or Aramaic Ellis?

 

[zone]

But when one falsely accusing another

one day, maybe soon, maybe far away, if by the Grace of God you ever come out from under this, all this stuff will be ringing in your ears.

and even if it happens while you are still here....you'll never apologize.

if you love false teaching and the praises of men, and fear man more than God, that's your problem.
fill ye up with him.
i assure you, this is ANTICHRISTIAN doctrine.

 

[zone]

ELLIS IS THIS YOUR WORK?

please answer so i can proceed.

Hebrew poetry is parallel in nature. A Hebrew poet would say something one way and then repeat the same idea later on in different words. These repeats could be a sentence, a paragraph, or even several chapters long. So how can we identify repetitive prophecies when we see them? By recognizing the Hebrew poetic style in which it was written.

The most elegant of the Old Testament poets was Isaiah. In his book we spot one poetic style very quickly. Isaiah is divided into two almost equal parts, and these two parts are repetitive.1 Isaiah 1 through 33 is parallel to Isaiah 34 through 66, not just in a general sense, but in actual content. The last half of Isaiah contains a different description of the same subjects that are covered in the first half. Textual scholars call this type of repetition the bifidic form.2

.....

That AB=BA stepladder is called a Chiasm,3 pronounced kee-ahzum. Chiasms appear throughout Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation.

What an author declares in the steps going up, he repeats in the steps going down.

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are these your words, Ellis? i'll wait before proceeding. don't want to MISREPRESENT anything you wrote.

also........do you read or write Hebrew OR Aramaic Ellis?

 

[cfultz3]

you think it's been fun to read your deceptive junk?
it's been horrible.
you did this to YOURSELF.

The same can be said of what you post, Zone.
There are those who say the same of your posts, as well as those who would say the same of Ellis' posts.

Do either of you think people are convinced of the truth by degradation? Or, are they convicted by love and its patience?

You both are loosing credibility with people by the implications you are throwing at each other.

Why not let people decide for themselves by the conviction of the Spirit. Is it not true that they who are led of the Spirit will be led.

 

[zone]

ELLIS IS THIS YOUR WORK?

please answer so i can proceed.

Hebrew poetry is parallel in nature. A Hebrew poet would say something one way and then repeat the same idea later on in different words. These repeats could be a sentence, a paragraph, or even several chapters long. So how can we identify repetitive prophecies when we see them? By recognizing the Hebrew poetic style in which it was written.

The most elegant of the Old Testament poets was Isaiah. In his book we spot one poetic style very quickly. Isaiah is divided into two almost equal parts, and these two parts are repetitive.1 Isaiah 1 through 33 is parallel to Isaiah 34 through 66, not just in a general sense, but in actual content. The last half of Isaiah contains a different description of the same subjects that are covered in the first half. Textual scholars call this type of repetition the bifidic form.2

.....

That AB=BA stepladder is called a Chiasm,3 pronounced kee-ahzum. Chiasms appear throughout Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation.

What an author declares in the steps going up, he repeats in the steps going down.

.....






are these your words, Ellis? i'll wait before proceeding. don't want to MISREPRESENT anything you wrote.

also........do you read or write Hebrew OR Aramaic Ellis?

ignoring distractions.......BUMP

 

[cfultz3]

one day, maybe soon, maybe far away, if by the Grace of God you ever come out from under this, all this stuff will be ringing in your ears.

and even if it happens while you are still here....you'll never apologize.

if you love false teaching and the praises of men, and fear man more than God, that's your problem.
fill ye up with him.
i assure you, this is ANTICHRISTIAN doctrine.

Yet, there will be those who would say the same of your doctrine.

The only thing which rings in my ears is accusations. This ring deafens anything else which could be said, even if it is the truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yet, there will be those who would say the same of your doctrine.

The only thing which rings in my ears is accusations. This ring deafens anything else which could be said, even if it is the truth.

some people do not get this. you will not convince someone to come your way by doing what they are doing.. You will only push them AWAY from your belief (unless they are already grounded in it.)

 

[Ariel82]

LOL, I don'r need to, Zone posted my old video for me.

are you referring to this video?

so this is you speaking and your position?

you wouldn't have it in written form would you? some people don't have access to youtube.

[video=youtube;kjypWmnYfUg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kjypWmnYfUg#![/video]

 

[Ariel82]

1948... Christian era, captivity... oh no..... ok i'll just try and transcribe some of it....

Daniel 2:4-7:28 written in High Syriac (court language of the Babylonians) for gentiles 1967? fulfilled the time of the gentiles...sigh really?

Daniel 8-12 Hebrew

captivity 1948 return of jews?

oh sigh.....

Revelation 11....

bifidic.... 12-20 parallel to 2-11

chiasms...

Daniel 12:4 seal book...

Daniel 2:1 605 bc
3:1 592 BC
5:30-31 fall of babylonians 536 bc

6:1 deres 535 bc
Daniel 7:1 552 bc

Daniel 8 had to have been written before daniel 5...

Skolfied studies?

Daniel 9 Darius introduction written before Daniel 6..

why did God do this?

Chapter 2 great image
Chapter 7 4 gentile nations. ....


Oh Chris, I think I finally found it....

this video...

4b Bifids and Chiasms - Skolfield - YouTube

about minute 1:19
Prophecy subject

A. Ch. 2 the great image 4 gentile nations
A. ch 7 4 beasts 4 gentile nations

B. ch 3 fiery furnance God's people in tribulation
b. ch 6 lion's den God's people in tribulation

c. ch 4 neb insane gentile rulers judged
c. ch 5 bel killed

and then he goes into the "hidden truth" that it reveals...

I agree with some of his logic but Daniel was fulfilled by Jesus death on the cross. HE is the ROCK that destroyed the statues.

This "time of the gentiles" stuff, mmm not sure where he's getting that from. I don't see it in the BIBLE.

THIS IS ABOUT JESUS!

Daniel 2

[SUP]44 [/SUP]And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. [SUP]45 [/SUP]Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this.

It is a Heavenly SPIRITUAL Kingdom that is NOT of this world.

 

[zone]

ELLIS IS THIS YOUR WORK?

please answer so i can proceed.

Hebrew poetry is parallel in nature. A Hebrew poet would say something one way and then repeat the same idea later on in different words. These repeats could be a sentence, a paragraph, or even several chapters long. So how can we identify repetitive prophecies when we see them? By recognizing the Hebrew poetic style in which it was written.

The most elegant of the Old Testament poets was Isaiah. In his book we spot one poetic style very quickly. Isaiah is divided into two almost equal parts, and these two parts are repetitive.1 Isaiah 1 through 33 is parallel to Isaiah 34 through 66, not just in a general sense, but in actual content. The last half of Isaiah contains a different description of the same subjects that are covered in the first half. Textual scholars call this type of repetition the bifidic form.2

.....

That AB=BA stepladder is called a Chiasm,3 pronounced kee-ahzum. Chiasms appear throughout Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation.

What an author declares in the steps going up, he repeats in the steps going down.

REALLY?
which author? you?


A. ch.2-3…...The Seven Churches…The Church
B. ch.6……….The Seven Seals……….World Judged
C. ch.7:4-8..The 144,000…………….Old Testament

C. ch.7:9-14…..The Great Multitude….New Testament
B. ch.8-9………..The Seven Trumpets…World Judged
A. ch.11………….The Two Witnesses……The Church



A. ch.12…..Woman with 12 Stars……….Israel
B. ch.13…..Leopard-Lion-Bear Beast….Satanic Kingdom
B ch.14…..144,000 & The Gospel……..The Saved Within It
C. ch.15…..Song of Moses and Lamb…Victory for Redeemed

C. ch.16…..Bowls of Wrath……………..Wrath for the Wicked
B. ch.17…..Seven-Headed Beast…….Satanic Kingdoms
B. ch.18…..Babylon………………………….Satanic System
B ch.19…..King of Kings…………………Destruction of Wicked
A. ch.20…..The Thousand Years……..The Church


this is 4 then 5...not 4 and 4 or 5 and 5....so what happened to your step ladder?


The Two Witnesses are the Church and the Old-Wineskin-Saved-through-Blinding-Jews are both “witnesses to the God of heaven”.

“At the end of the Two Witnesses the Church and the Jews will lose their spiritual power.”

wasn't that in 1948?

how did the Two Witnesses of God lose their spiritual power in 1948?


A. ch.12…..Woman with 12 Stars……….Israel
B. ch.13…..Leopard-Lion-Bear Beast….Satanic Kingdom
B ch.14…..144,000 & The Gospel……..The Saved Within It
C. ch.15…..Song of Moses and Lamb…Victory for Redeemed

C. ch.16…..Bowls of Wrath……………..Wrath for the Wicked
B. ch.17…..Seven-Headed Beast…….Satanic Kingdoms
B. ch.18…..Babylon………………………….Satanic System
B ch.19…..King of Kings…………………Destruction of Wicked
A. ch.20…..The Thousand Years……..The Church


so SATAN rules over the Holy Land throughout history via seven (7) Satanic Kingdoms?
But throughout all that God is preserving His Two Witnesses the Jews and the Church?

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straighten out any misunderstanding ellis.
before we go on.

 

[cfultz3]

1948... Christian era, captivity... oh no..... ok i'll just try and transcribe some of it....

Daniel 2:4-7:28 written in High Syriac (court language of the Babylonians) for gentiles 1967? fulfilled the time of the gentiles...sigh really?

Daniel 8-12 Hebrew

captivity 1948 return of jews?

oh sigh.....

Revelation 11....

bifidic.... 12-20 parallel to 2-11

chiasms...

Daniel 12:4 seal book...

Daniel 2:1 605 bc
3:1 592 BC
5:30-31 fall of babylonians 536 bc

6:1 deres 535 bc
Daniel 7:1 552 bc

Daniel 8 had to have been written before daniel 5...

Skolfied studies?

Daniel 9 Darius introduction written before Daniel 6..

why did God do this?

Chapter 2 great image
Chapter 7 4 gentile nations. ....


Oh Chris, I think I finally found it....

this video...

4b Bifids and Chiasms - Skolfield - YouTube

about minute 1:19
Prophecy subject

A. Ch. 2 the great image 4 gentile nations
A. ch 7 4 beasts 4 gentile nations

B. ch 3 fiery furnance God's people in tribulation
b. ch 6 lion's den God's people in tribulation

c. ch 4 neb insane gentile rulers judged
c. ch 5 bel killed

and then he goes into the "hidden truth" that it reveals...

I agree with some of his logic but Daniel was fulfilled by Jesus death on the cross. HE is the ROCK that destroyed the statues.

This "time of the gentiles" stuff, mmm not sure where he's getting that from. I don't see it in the BIBLE.

THIS IS ABOUT JESUS!

Daniel 2


It is a Heavenly SPIRITUAL Kingdom that is NOT of this world.

Keep in mind that He is still seating at the right hand of God until all things have been placed under His feet and there will just be one kingdom with Him and God the Father ruling from the new Jerusalem. Perhaps, this Kingdom of His is both physical and spiritual?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Keep in mind that He is still seating at the right hand of God until all things have been placed under His feet and there will just be one kingdom with Him and God the Father ruling from the new Jerusalem. Perhaps, this Kingdom of His is both physical and spiritual?

according to rev there are two.

one physical. and one eternal. although it will still be eternal. one will lead to the other with no break in power.. just a break in time (time will end)