Skinski,
Please answer this,
Jesus on the night He was betrayed,prayed in the garden,says He has not lost one of them except for Judas,and they have kept His word. (Mind you this is after He has rebuked the disciples for being a perverse generation and has rebuked them over and over) Mind you Jesus already knows that within an hour,the disciples will scatter, Peter will cut the ear off the servants head,and not only that Peter will deny Him three time before the night is over. Peter has already implied that Jesus lied about Peter denying Him,and years later Paul will rebuke Peter for being a hypocrite. Yet not once does Jesus pray that He is losing them or that they will be lost for a time,the question is why didn't He,why did He say He has not lost one and not pray a preventative pray about losing them?
Please answer this,
Jesus on the night He was betrayed,prayed in the garden,says He has not lost one of them except for Judas,and they have kept His word. (Mind you this is after He has rebuked the disciples for being a perverse generation and has rebuked them over and over) Mind you Jesus already knows that within an hour,the disciples will scatter, Peter will cut the ear off the servants head,and not only that Peter will deny Him three time before the night is over. Peter has already implied that Jesus lied about Peter denying Him,and years later Paul will rebuke Peter for being a hypocrite. Yet not once does Jesus pray that He is losing them or that they will be lost for a time,the question is why didn't He,why did He say He has not lost one and not pray a preventative pray about losing them?
Instead you come forth with a question implying unconditional eternal security.
It would not matter if I answered your question or not because you are already convinced in your mind that unconditional eternal security is the truth. I have answered a plethora of other questions and my answers are just ignored as people move onto the next question and then eventually return to the original questions. You are not asking those questions from a heart genuinely set on finding the truth, you are asking those questions in order to find some avenue with which to divert and undermine, which is EXACTLY what the Pharisees were doing when they questioned Jesus.
Many of you folks don't truly believe the Bible. To you it is a menu of isolated verses and passages from which you can pick and choose that which tickles the ears in order to establish a dogma which justifies ongoing sin. In fact you listen to teachers who do the picking and choosing for you and many of you just repeat their rhetoric. These teachers in fact are simply repeating what they were taught by other teachers and it goes all the way up the line. All you have done is create an image of Jesus using the very Scriptures God gave us and then you bow down and worship that image.
Your gospel is false. Your salvation is false. You salvation is a "notion" which has been completely disconnected the results of a genuine salvation experience as taught by the Bible.
Satan is a master deceiver and he has managed to craft a Gospel message which eliminates the crucifixion of the flesh and thus the escape from the corruption that is in the world through lust. Thus converts under the false system remain in bondage to their lusts and get to have their ears tickles by people like Haz who basically tell them because they "believe in Jesus" they can sin and not surely die.
The twisted rhetoric which Haz posted is found all through these forums and VERY FEW people oppose it which reveals that the vast majority identify with it and thus adhere to the same paradigm. Jesus warned that it would be MANY who professed His name that would be rejected for remaining workers of iniquity, many who He never knew, for they never were genuinely reconciled. These workers of iniquity may have a notion of being saved "positionally" while they still "work iniquity" yet the utter horror and shock they will experience when rejected by Jesus is not to be taken lightly.
The Bible is full of warnings about deception and many of you are very deceived.
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