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I cannot vote on this poll because none of the answers work well with what I actually think.
I don't believe in evolution as a whole but there are aspects of it I would agree with.
I am absolutely positive God created everything.
Some people would go as far as to say God allowed evolution to occur, that is not my belief.
If anyone is commenting, I expect them to be totally educated on this topic before taking a stance.
I for one, am not going into extreme detail on this matter because I really do not care to at the moment.
Maybe later...
I don't believe in evolution as a whole but there are aspects of it I would agree with.
I am absolutely positive God created everything.
Some people would go as far as to say God allowed evolution to occur, that is not my belief.
If anyone is commenting, I expect them to be totally educated on this topic before taking a stance.
I for one, am not going into extreme detail on this matter because I really do not care to at the moment.
Maybe later...
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He taught us in Scripture through parables, stories and actual events. It's not a case of either 'He tricked us' or 'He meant it literally', it could quite possibly be that you misunderstood what He taught you. Do you understand every single teaching put together from one book to another in the Bible? Without studying Scripture FULLY in Greek and Aramaic and understanding the context in which things in it were said and the audience it was written to in those days, then its impossible to get the complete knowledge intended for us. I'm not saying that its useless to read it. On the contrary, it's absolutely vital that we do. But I don't agree that it should be read literally as an only alternative to Him tricking us. EllieArrow makes a good point.
If you disagree, then explain how it could work that we all came from Adam and Eve as the sole parents in the very beginning without some form of deformity. I know with God anything is possible, but if He were to create Adam and Eve, and His creation was perfect, and incest obviously results in deformity, then this means that after His creation, He had to alter His creation (which was perfect) in order to make His master plan work! I don't think God made any mistakes in creation. If He were to make things so as to be read literally from the Holy Bible, then He would've done so in a way for us to understand and maybe put Adam and Eve, and George and Martha or something. Two couples instead of just one. Do you think that there's any possibility that Adam and Eve were the beginning of His chosen people, but there were others aswell which weren't spoken of in Scripture because He only intended for us to know of His chosen people to learn from? Food for thought, brother. Peace, and God bless!
If you disagree, then explain how it could work that we all came from Adam and Eve as the sole parents in the very beginning without some form of deformity. I know with God anything is possible, but if He were to create Adam and Eve, and His creation was perfect, and incest obviously results in deformity, then this means that after His creation, He had to alter His creation (which was perfect) in order to make His master plan work! I don't think God made any mistakes in creation. If He were to make things so as to be read literally from the Holy Bible, then He would've done so in a way for us to understand and maybe put Adam and Eve, and George and Martha or something. Two couples instead of just one. Do you think that there's any possibility that Adam and Eve were the beginning of His chosen people, but there were others aswell which weren't spoken of in Scripture because He only intended for us to know of His chosen people to learn from? Food for thought, brother. Peace, and God bless!
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Evolution cannot take place on its own like scientists believe. It is another example of the infinite wisdom of God. It's really quite simple. It happened lol. That's the way God built the world. And FYI, the chances of amino acids coming together to form a human are 10 to the power of 40, 000. That's just a fact I thought I might throw in that you can use against Athiests when they try and tell you that God's not real and science is right. So they rather believe in 10>40,000 (which is practically impossible) over God lol. May He bless them.
J
I think you are much inconsistent as well 7seven7. Don't get your panties in a bunch about me not embracing scientific naturalism, when you believe in rather unscientific things as well. Virgins giving birth? Dead men rising? Donkeys talking? Maybe you don't believe in resurrections and virgin births.
M
Some goods points although there's a few things we must look at and take into consideration:
We weren't the only ones created perfect .....AT FIRST
Ezekiel 28
14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
True God may have made us perfect, at first, but also perfectly capable of iniquity
Same as Lucifer himself
Until his fall as well
And you're correct in saying
then this means that after His creation, He had to alter His creation
HE did alter it...he cursed it
Gen 3:17
"Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
18It will produce thorns and thistles for you
“The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
Just pointing out another alteration after men used to live to be 900 yrs old
Gen 6
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
The Lord may not have intended things to be this way, since these transgressions against him grieved his heart but much like a parent having kids, the kids bring the discipline upon themselves when they don't listen and adjustments must be made accordingly.
We weren't the only ones created perfect .....AT FIRST
Ezekiel 28
14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
True God may have made us perfect, at first, but also perfectly capable of iniquity
Same as Lucifer himself
Until his fall as well
And you're correct in saying
then this means that after His creation, He had to alter His creation
HE did alter it...he cursed it
Gen 3:17
"Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
18It will produce thorns and thistles for you
“The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
Just pointing out another alteration after men used to live to be 900 yrs old
Gen 6
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
The Lord may not have intended things to be this way, since these transgressions against him grieved his heart but much like a parent having kids, the kids bring the discipline upon themselves when they don't listen and adjustments must be made accordingly.
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hahahaha Why do you always turn a discussion into a personal thing, Jimmy? It takes a lot more than this to get my panties in a bunch these days pal lol. Mate, I wasn't having a go at you for not embracing scientific naturalism. I don't agree with most of science either. But there's some that I do agree with. It's not about "me v. them". Just adding to the conversation. Don't be upset. It's ok. Peace!
Donkeys talking? rofl please explain that to me, man.
Donkeys talking? rofl please explain that to me, man.
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Hey, that's a really good point. Thanks for pointing that out because I really didn't see it from that perspective. Did He alter things though? Or was it more punishment for our "misbehaviour?". See, I was talking about altering the way the world works, in relation to physics and geaneolgy and so on (which was perfect at creation and hasn't been altered, not according to the Bible anyway), which is why it would've been impossible for us all to have come from Adam and Eve. I believe in Adam and Eve. I'm just not sure that they were the ONLY people God created back then. I think He chose them for the beginning of His chosen people, but it's purely an uneducated opinion. I will be looking more into it now. I'm just sharing my thoughts brother.
Btw, this might be a stupid question, given your nick, but are you a welder really? Or is there another meaning to the nick? The reason I ask is because I'm studying welding at the moment.
God bless!
Btw, this might be a stupid question, given your nick, but are you a welder really? Or is there another meaning to the nick? The reason I ask is because I'm studying welding at the moment.
God bless!
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My awareness that I love You is now firm, not wavering - your word struck a blow to my heart, and I love. The very sky and earth, after all, bid me love you, as do all the things (all around me) they contain. They bid every one of us to love, 'lest there be any excuse' for those not loving You (and even then, at a deeper level, 'You will have mercy where Your mercy wills, show pity where Your pity wills' - why else do heaven and earth reiterate their call to those not hearing them?). But what, in loving You, do I find lovable? Not, surely, physical splendor, nor time's orderliness - not light's clarity (how kindly its aptness to the eye), nor sweet linkages of variable melody; not soft fragrances of flower, oil, or spice; not honey or heaven-bread; not limbs that intermingle in embrace - these are not what, in loving You, I love. And yet I do - do love a kind of light, a kind of song or fragrance, food or embrace - in loving You, who are my light and voice and fragrance and food and embrace, all of them deep within me, where is my soul's light that fades not, it's song that ends not, a fragrance not dispersed in air, a taste never blunted with satiety, an embrace not ending in depletion. This is what, in loving my God, I love - yet what can I call this?
T
Hang on a second. Either this is a misquote or your contradicting yourself. You agreed with me and now you are taking it back? I said I believe in Theistic Evolution view.
Here, this is just for anyone; just to give a simply reason on why I believe in Theistic Evolution.
Why can't evolution not have happened by its own, having our existence to be know as pure accident? Look at this example:
"a house explodes because of a 'mishap'. Well the house should evolve back into a house. Why hasn't it yet? Simple, you can not form from nothing. The house is completly destoryed. In all reality, the house will be teared down and reconstructed into another building as see fit by the eye."
Example 2: " look at the human eye color change. The human structure; from minature people to giants. How can we explain these genetic changes in the human DNA? How about the 'natural' change in peoples hair color?"
Based of these 2 examples It shows that a 'theistic evolution' is possible. A big bang can't have just happened without its energy source and evolve into another building (ex 1). A Creator had to be behind it. I don't see how this contradicts the most read book, Geneisis? G-d created and rested on the 7th day. Ok cool, but can you create a whole earth, let alone a universe in only 7 days? Remember, one day is like a thousand years. Our understanding of time is different compared to G-d.
Who really knows how we were created? Sure great song lyrics (personally), but come on. Genesis 1:1- in the beginning G-d created the Heavens and the Earth. Ok he created everything, great! GOod to know! If he uses evolution, ok cool. If not,does it really matter? How do we know for sure? I will tell you that counting all the ages of everyone in the bible is not the way to go. A good reason why is because the bible is not an atlas, so dont read the bible like it is one. The only reason I have research and formed the belief that G-d could have used evolution is because 'Christians', ask like it is going to determine your salvation.
Here, this is just for anyone; just to give a simply reason on why I believe in Theistic Evolution.
Why can't evolution not have happened by its own, having our existence to be know as pure accident? Look at this example:
"a house explodes because of a 'mishap'. Well the house should evolve back into a house. Why hasn't it yet? Simple, you can not form from nothing. The house is completly destoryed. In all reality, the house will be teared down and reconstructed into another building as see fit by the eye."
Example 2: " look at the human eye color change. The human structure; from minature people to giants. How can we explain these genetic changes in the human DNA? How about the 'natural' change in peoples hair color?"
Based of these 2 examples It shows that a 'theistic evolution' is possible. A big bang can't have just happened without its energy source and evolve into another building (ex 1). A Creator had to be behind it. I don't see how this contradicts the most read book, Geneisis? G-d created and rested on the 7th day. Ok cool, but can you create a whole earth, let alone a universe in only 7 days? Remember, one day is like a thousand years. Our understanding of time is different compared to G-d.
Who really knows how we were created? Sure great song lyrics (personally), but come on. Genesis 1:1- in the beginning G-d created the Heavens and the Earth. Ok he created everything, great! GOod to know! If he uses evolution, ok cool. If not,does it really matter? How do we know for sure? I will tell you that counting all the ages of everyone in the bible is not the way to go. A good reason why is because the bible is not an atlas, so dont read the bible like it is one. The only reason I have research and formed the belief that G-d could have used evolution is because 'Christians', ask like it is going to determine your salvation.
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About me taking it back, if you're talking about when I said "Evolution cannot take place on its own like scientists believe,"
then little brother, I didn't take anything I said back. What I was saying is, that evolution can't happen on its own. It happened the way God intended for it to happen when He created the world. I never said otherwise, did I? I disagree with scientists when they say that it all came about from nothing, obviously, because it all came about by God. If you were referring to something else I said, then please tell me. God bless.
then little brother, I didn't take anything I said back. What I was saying is, that evolution can't happen on its own. It happened the way God intended for it to happen when He created the world. I never said otherwise, did I? I disagree with scientists when they say that it all came about from nothing, obviously, because it all came about by God. If you were referring to something else I said, then please tell me. God bless.