Who do you think Killed Jesus?
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I actually believe we should not be ignorant of how the Messiah's death came to pass, though he lay His life down which is not a new revelation.. there were people who were willing to play out this part.
Some may answer Judas betrayed Him and that lead to His death but we know all things come to pass for good even if it seems difficult to understand.
This comes to mind:
Matthew 26
Some may answer Judas betrayed Him and that lead to His death but we know all things come to pass for good even if it seems difficult to understand.
This comes to mind:
Matthew 26
My understanding has been that Jesus was killed at the hands of sinners, however I also have learned that He was betrayed by His own people, His own tribe, being Judah, and even His betrayer is named for that tribe, Judah. He was sentenced by Pontius Pilate at the insistence of Jews who, when Pilate asked if they would have their King released, cried all the more, crucify Him, we have no king but Caesar. My bottom line belief on this is that Jesus, Yeshua, was killed by mankind at the demand of some Jews and at the hands of Romans. I do know that all who sin have a hand in our Beloved Savior's suffering and death, yet He forgives us all, and we should be as much as He as is possible.
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Sorry guys...I think I did not position the question right on a stright course. let me try again. True Jesus gave his life...but it was only for threeday. Could he have just have said, "I'll save you."
What I'm after is; "There had to more to his death, than just being beaten to a pulp, and being nailed to a stake, and dead for three days. remember the part about the seed in Genesis 3:15...THE BIG HINT? Think...what was lost forever?
What I'm after is; "There had to more to his death, than just being beaten to a pulp, and being nailed to a stake, and dead for three days. remember the part about the seed in Genesis 3:15...THE BIG HINT? Think...what was lost forever?
I know that Jesus died in our place - each and every one of us. He died in place of me. There is no way i could keep the law, the commandments. Jesus knew this.
Beyond that it all gets rather puzzling. I do not understand the story of the serpent. I dont really understand the need for the dying of "three days", honestly, when i really think about it. I understand we needed to be saved (atleast i partially understand - i dont know how that came to be) but i do not know why Jesus or the Cross were chosen.
Beyond that it all gets rather puzzling. I do not understand the story of the serpent. I dont really understand the need for the dying of "three days", honestly, when i really think about it. I understand we needed to be saved (atleast i partially understand - i dont know how that came to be) but i do not know why Jesus or the Cross were chosen.
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Ok you've shown over and over you want scripture.
Here ya go...
1 Thes 2
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is why we constantly thank God, because when you received the message about God that you heard from us, you welcomed it not as a human message, but as it truly is, the message of God, which also works effectively in you believers. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For you, brothers, became imitators of God’s churches in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, since you have also suffered the same things from people of your own country, just as they did from the Jews [SUP]15 [/SUP]who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets and persecuted us;
Acts 5
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Someone came and reported to them, “Look! The men you put in jail are standing in the temple complex and teaching the people.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then the commander went with the temple police and brought them in without force, because they were afraid the people might stone them. [SUP]27 [/SUP]After they brought them in, they had them stand before the Sanhedrin, and the high priest asked, [SUP]28 [/SUP]“Didn’t we strictly order you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to bring this man’s blood on us!”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But Peter and the apostles replied, “We must obey God rather than men. [SUP]30 [/SUP]The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had murdered by hanging Him on a tree. [SUP]31 [/SUP]God exalted this man to His right hand as ruler and Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. [SUP]32 [/SUP]We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”
Here ya go...
1 Thes 2
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is why we constantly thank God, because when you received the message about God that you heard from us, you welcomed it not as a human message, but as it truly is, the message of God, which also works effectively in you believers. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For you, brothers, became imitators of God’s churches in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, since you have also suffered the same things from people of your own country, just as they did from the Jews [SUP]15 [/SUP]who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets and persecuted us;
Acts 5
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Someone came and reported to them, “Look! The men you put in jail are standing in the temple complex and teaching the people.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then the commander went with the temple police and brought them in without force, because they were afraid the people might stone them. [SUP]27 [/SUP]After they brought them in, they had them stand before the Sanhedrin, and the high priest asked, [SUP]28 [/SUP]“Didn’t we strictly order you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to bring this man’s blood on us!”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But Peter and the apostles replied, “We must obey God rather than men. [SUP]30 [/SUP]The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had murdered by hanging Him on a tree. [SUP]31 [/SUP]God exalted this man to His right hand as ruler and Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. [SUP]32 [/SUP]We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”
Sorry, when it comes to interpretation of plain words in the Word, I leave that to the Holy Spirit and common sense when available. As for guessing games about something so serious as what Jesus, Yeshua, did for me and all mankind, and following the teaching of the Word, I remain sober minded and out of this mind seek.
no...i dont get it. back to square one.
Gen 3:15 reads:
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel."
so, enmity between adam and eve, enmity between the serpent and Christ.
But i'm still not making the connection to loss of human life.
Gen 3:15 reads:
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel."
so, enmity between adam and eve, enmity between the serpent and Christ.
But i'm still not making the connection to loss of human life.
The results of what the bible describes as eating the apple, of knowing both good and evil, is that Adam and Eve became mortal. They took on a human body that was of the earth, and that died. We are shown that as God explains how they must live after the fall. They knew they were naked, they didn't before.
We must be alive in the spirit, we must be born again, to live, or our human death means we go back to the dust of the earth we came from. Sin represents this death, it is through sin we die. It is through the spirit we live. The spirit is of God, the flesh is of sin. Through Christ we are given a way to overcome sin.
Until the year about 30, but in eternal time for always, Christ died to take on our sin. Blood has always represented this. Before it was represented by animal sacrifice, now by communion service and asking for forgiveness. We have to do our part in receiving this.
That is why Christ gave His life for us.
We must be alive in the spirit, we must be born again, to live, or our human death means we go back to the dust of the earth we came from. Sin represents this death, it is through sin we die. It is through the spirit we live. The spirit is of God, the flesh is of sin. Through Christ we are given a way to overcome sin.
Until the year about 30, but in eternal time for always, Christ died to take on our sin. Blood has always represented this. Before it was represented by animal sacrifice, now by communion service and asking for forgiveness. We have to do our part in receiving this.
That is why Christ gave His life for us.
My hope was others would use their own minds to figure this out. Genesis 3:15 is what the whole Bible is about. Satan was an angel. Angels have no seed. Only human men have seed. When the angels were commanded to serve man, 1/3rd rebelled
God cast them down as angel animal like creatures, almost human...they had seed. Man was commanded not to eat the Fruit from the animal tree...sex. because animals always died, and the childern of Adam and Eve would die. Look at the list of Adams childern...Cain and Able are not in that list. The bruse in the heel on Jesus, means it is not a lasting death wound. The bruse on the heat od Satan, is a lasting death.
Jesus came here as a perfect human with out animal seed. If he had childern, they would have never died. Jesus had within him a perfect human race. when Jesus died, that perfect unborn human race died for this one.
I cry every time I think about that. I wonder what they would have been like...even looked like. After three day, that seed in a dead body, would have all been dead.
The death of a whole perfect unborn race for the like of us. It's not fair. They should be alive, and we should be dead.
God cast them down as angel animal like creatures, almost human...they had seed. Man was commanded not to eat the Fruit from the animal tree...sex. because animals always died, and the childern of Adam and Eve would die. Look at the list of Adams childern...Cain and Able are not in that list. The bruse in the heel on Jesus, means it is not a lasting death wound. The bruse on the heat od Satan, is a lasting death.
Jesus came here as a perfect human with out animal seed. If he had childern, they would have never died. Jesus had within him a perfect human race. when Jesus died, that perfect unborn human race died for this one.
I cry every time I think about that. I wonder what they would have been like...even looked like. After three day, that seed in a dead body, would have all been dead.
The death of a whole perfect unborn race for the like of us. It's not fair. They should be alive, and we should be dead.