Keep Yourself Pure
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Just because a post does not specifically reference the term "born again" does not mean that that aspect is missing.
What do you think this implies...
You are nitpicking Sarah.
The fundamental disagreement that people have with the material I post, the material the Tommy posts etc. is that it is very specific in stating that the rebellion to God must cease prior to forgiveness being granted.
The bottom line difference is that of being "saved IN a state of rebellion" and that of being "saved FROM a state of rebellion."
The modern false gospel separates that actual condition of the human heart from salvation and thus teaches that one remains defiled but positionally justified.
The true Gospel connects salvation to the actual condition of the heart and thus teaches that when one is saved they are inwardly pure. Inward purity manifests itself outwardly producing righteous conduct.
This is why there is no such thing as an individual who is saved and is still in bondage to the sins of the flesh. Those who are saved have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. They may not be perfect, in the sense of knowledge, and thus fall short due to ignorance and thus need to be taught but they are not in rebellion to God. The will of a saint is submitted to God.
Hence genuine faith is the substance and evidence of things not seen. Genuine faith always manifests conduct which flows from heart felt obedience to God.
What do you think this implies...
You are nitpicking Sarah.
The fundamental disagreement that people have with the material I post, the material the Tommy posts etc. is that it is very specific in stating that the rebellion to God must cease prior to forgiveness being granted.
The bottom line difference is that of being "saved IN a state of rebellion" and that of being "saved FROM a state of rebellion."
The modern false gospel separates that actual condition of the human heart from salvation and thus teaches that one remains defiled but positionally justified.
The true Gospel connects salvation to the actual condition of the heart and thus teaches that when one is saved they are inwardly pure. Inward purity manifests itself outwardly producing righteous conduct.
This is why there is no such thing as an individual who is saved and is still in bondage to the sins of the flesh. Those who are saved have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. They may not be perfect, in the sense of knowledge, and thus fall short due to ignorance and thus need to be taught but they are not in rebellion to God. The will of a saint is submitted to God.
Hence genuine faith is the substance and evidence of things not seen. Genuine faith always manifests conduct which flows from heart felt obedience to God.
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"The rebellion to God must cease BEFORE forgiveness can be granted" are you kidding me!!! Where is that in the Bible? You are preaching a false gospel, your preaching before you can get saved you have to stop your evil works!! What of Paul, he was on his way to kill Christians when Jesus revealed Himself, David was a murderer and an adulteries, yet God called him "a man after my own heart "Moses had anger issues and killed a man yet God showed him His glory, Abraham was an idol worshipper and lied about his wife, and God called him His friend, after salvation the Holy spirit convicts us of our sin, not before! Your message is false
Sinski,
So when and how is the heart purified? Is it that you purified your heart first? And if so how was a heart dead in trespasses able to produce to be pure if it is dead? How are we inwardly pure? How are we seen as righteous in God's sight? Does it come from us? Is it a matter of us cleaning ourselves up first? That is what it sounds like you are saying,that you did the work first while you were yet dead.
So when and how is the heart purified? Is it that you purified your heart first? And if so how was a heart dead in trespasses able to produce to be pure if it is dead? How are we inwardly pure? How are we seen as righteous in God's sight? Does it come from us? Is it a matter of us cleaning ourselves up first? That is what it sounds like you are saying,that you did the work first while you were yet dead.
adding to your post Mark
Skinski,
2 Corinthians 10:6and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
Skinski,
2 Corinthians 10:6and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
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telling us to purify ourselves is like telling a bucket of muddy water to purify itself and make itself clean.
the bucket can not do that, it needs outside help.. as do we. without the power of God purifying us,, we are no more able to purify ourselves than that bucket is.
one must be born again first.. and this can not happen until the penalty of sin is removed first.
the problem with skinski. is he thinks he can purify himself. then God will accept him.. good luck with that!
the bucket can not do that, it needs outside help.. as do we. without the power of God purifying us,, we are no more able to purify ourselves than that bucket is.
one must be born again first.. and this can not happen until the penalty of sin is removed first.
the problem with skinski. is he thinks he can purify himself. then God will accept him.. good luck with that!
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Hi Skinski,
I think that all of us would agree that once we are saved we are called to holy living. Scripture clearly teaches that. I think few of us believe that the blood of Jesus gives us license to sin. The question is whether we need to be perfect, as you claim to be, to be saved. On another thread you told me that I will sin less and less as I become more "hard-wired" to God. I responded to you, and I'm not sure that you answered me. When you were first saved, before you were completely "hard-wired" to God, did you still sin too? Or were you instantly made perfect? If you say you did sin (albeit less and less), I have this question for you: if God would have taken your life then, would you have still been saved, because of God's profound love for you, and what Jesus did on the cross, or would you not have been saved, because you were not then perfect?
I think that all of us would agree that once we are saved we are called to holy living. Scripture clearly teaches that. I think few of us believe that the blood of Jesus gives us license to sin. The question is whether we need to be perfect, as you claim to be, to be saved. On another thread you told me that I will sin less and less as I become more "hard-wired" to God. I responded to you, and I'm not sure that you answered me. When you were first saved, before you were completely "hard-wired" to God, did you still sin too? Or were you instantly made perfect? If you say you did sin (albeit less and less), I have this question for you: if God would have taken your life then, would you have still been saved, because of God's profound love for you, and what Jesus did on the cross, or would you not have been saved, because you were not then perfect?
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[video=youtube;CHeApg9Uskk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHeApg9Uskk[/video]...........................[h=3]Galatians 4[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, [SUP]2 [/SUP]but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[SUP][a][/SUP] of a woman, born under the law, [SUP]5 [/SUP]to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” [SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of[SUP][b][/SUP] God through Christ.
4 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, [SUP]2 [/SUP]but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[SUP][a][/SUP] of a woman, born under the law, [SUP]5 [/SUP]to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” [SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of[SUP][b][/SUP] God through Christ.
I think it's speculation at best. You can have children that do not follow in their fathers footsteps. I think if they meant to say that Abraham was an idol worshipper they would have said it in that way and not this way. I myself without actually knowing would not want to say he did if he in fact did not,because if he in fact did not that could be seen as slander.
Skinski it is written all over that righteousness comes by and through Faith in God.
2 Corinthians 1:24Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm.
2 Corinthians 5:7For we live by faith, not by sight.
Galatians 2:16know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
And this genuine Faith I had from day one at 12 years of age, and was deceived into Sin trying to work my way out of doing it and was miserable of all men to the point that when i Fianlly waived my white flag I give up trying to obey the laws set forth I can't that is when I saw and understood what God did for me at the cross first he took away the disease at the cross for me and all who would come to belief in him as doing this. That is when born again happened for me and I received God's righteousness to partake in by the resurrectionof Christ, I received the free gift brother,I quit my works and received his works and now rest in him, this is my story and I am sticking to it.
Philippians 2:13for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
Born again and it is as the above verse
Philippians 2:13for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
Born again and it is as the above verse
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Hi Skinski,
I was thinking about this parable, found in Luke 13:6-9. It doesn't perhaps speak directly to this post, but I think it provides tremendous insight. This is the story of the fig tree that bears no fruit after I believe 3 years. The man tells the gardener to cut it down. The gardener, showing loving care and profound patience, says to give the tree another year. He will nourish it with manure, and see what happens. God is incredibly loving and patient with us.
I was thinking about this parable, found in Luke 13:6-9. It doesn't perhaps speak directly to this post, but I think it provides tremendous insight. This is the story of the fig tree that bears no fruit after I believe 3 years. The man tells the gardener to cut it down. The gardener, showing loving care and profound patience, says to give the tree another year. He will nourish it with manure, and see what happens. God is incredibly loving and patient with us.