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One of the major reasons that the Jews reject Jesus Christ is because they do not see nor discerned the two comings that have been prophesied in scripture. Their mindset is to look forward and to see him coming to set up a kingdom here on earth rejecting all the nations that have come against them and they are waiting for this. Therefore they have rejected and did not receive him at his first coming accusing him of blasphemy and making himself equal with God. They have rejected so many of the prophesies of his first coming and that has attributed to their blindness and hardness of heart that has kept them in unbelief. However, when he comes for the second time they will see him as he is and will see the nail scars of the one they have pierced. They will turn to the Lord in mourning and God will deliver them and turn again unto them and they will know that the one they rejected all this time has come to restore them as his people. They will not be part of the church and body of Christ. They will be God's chosen people, elect and precious but will not be the bride of Christ. Only those Jews and Gentiles who believed in his first coming will make up the church and body of Christ and will be the bride of Christ because they believed in his shed blood of the cross by faith for the remission of their sins.
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yes, this is why they rejected him the first time, and why they are still looking for him, they have not figured out yet that they need a savior. they still think they can make themselves right with God on their own.
then aggain, I know many churches who call themselves of Christ who do the same thing.. they are more dangerous than the jews and their talmud, because they come in the name of christ!
then aggain, I know many churches who call themselves of Christ who do the same thing.. they are more dangerous than the jews and their talmud, because they come in the name of christ!
So one will not be helping them by standing shoulder to shoulder in their disobedient quest ....
According to some: we fight the muslim's to bring them 'peace' and 'safety' and then they will accept the Messiah?
No, it will be the result of their quest that some may come to accept that Yahshua is the Messiah... but only after much comes to pass!
Those who assist them will have to Repent from this error because they are playing with fire and are passively denying the Truth.
i tell you this much you can stand shoulder to shoulder with them in their quest but they despise you as much as they despise the muslim's.
You will be considered pawns to them that they use in their quest... take heed.
we are One in Yahshua the Messiah in Spirit and Truth we worship Heavenly Father.
EG it was something you wrote i quoted you for not that you will assist them.
According to some: we fight the muslim's to bring them 'peace' and 'safety' and then they will accept the Messiah?
No, it will be the result of their quest that some may come to accept that Yahshua is the Messiah... but only after much comes to pass!
Those who assist them will have to Repent from this error because they are playing with fire and are passively denying the Truth.
i tell you this much you can stand shoulder to shoulder with them in their quest but they despise you as much as they despise the muslim's.
You will be considered pawns to them that they use in their quest... take heed.
we are One in Yahshua the Messiah in Spirit and Truth we worship Heavenly Father.
EG it was something you wrote i quoted you for not that you will assist them.
why did you insert this: (whoever disagrees with her)
when what it should say is : She herself says that we who agree with and support false teachers like Therapon, who deny the very Lord who bought salvation, and never blinded anyone for their good, and never inserted a 2000 gap in Daniel 9.....and any who hold to any form of Dual Covenant heresy are not my brothers and sisters.
if they repent and their beliefs and professions align with the simple Gospel, i would consider them brothers.
thanks for the opportunity to straighten this out.
you who get your pride hurt because you don't know the basics of the christian faith commisserate with one another, just because it was zone who hurt your little feelings with scripture that debunks your unorthodox imaginings. even to the point of defending a mentally unstable (or worse) poster who was claiming to be God. no ethical or biblical moorings at all...just looking for petty alliances.
that's childish, and pathetic and shows the sand your house is built on.
thanks again for allowing me to take this out of your sandbox defense since it doesn't belong there:
(whoever disagrees with her)
start agreeing with the Lord in His Word for a change.
when what it should say is : She herself says that we who agree with and support false teachers like Therapon, who deny the very Lord who bought salvation, and never blinded anyone for their good, and never inserted a 2000 gap in Daniel 9.....and any who hold to any form of Dual Covenant heresy are not my brothers and sisters.
if they repent and their beliefs and professions align with the simple Gospel, i would consider them brothers.
thanks for the opportunity to straighten this out.
you who get your pride hurt because you don't know the basics of the christian faith commisserate with one another, just because it was zone who hurt your little feelings with scripture that debunks your unorthodox imaginings. even to the point of defending a mentally unstable (or worse) poster who was claiming to be God. no ethical or biblical moorings at all...just looking for petty alliances.
that's childish, and pathetic and shows the sand your house is built on.
thanks again for allowing me to take this out of your sandbox defense since it doesn't belong there:
(whoever disagrees with her)
start agreeing with the Lord in His Word for a change.
prove that number 4.
show me who you think i "ALLOW" (so petty) to "call me" brother or sister.
this is about knowing the faith delivered once for all and standing on and with it, no matter who is inloved - for or against.
if people depart from Biblical Christianity - i can not walk in agreement with them.
if they then later do align with it, i can and will.
i consider far more than 4 here my brethren.
so show me what you meant. or correct it. thanks.
you're just ticked at me personally....doesn't matter how many times you're shown your errors or correct scriptures. you just ignore them.
this is not anything at Christians do.
show me who you think i "ALLOW" (so petty) to "call me" brother or sister.
this is about knowing the faith delivered once for all and standing on and with it, no matter who is inloved - for or against.
if people depart from Biblical Christianity - i can not walk in agreement with them.
if they then later do align with it, i can and will.
i consider far more than 4 here my brethren.
so show me what you meant. or correct it. thanks.
you're just ticked at me personally....doesn't matter how many times you're shown your errors or correct scriptures. you just ignore them.
this is not anything at Christians do.
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1. They are in error
2. They think to much of themselves (they think God needs their help)
3. Most are dual covenant (believe Jews ARE saved by the old covenant (mosaic) thus are dangerous!
4. Do not know God, and are trying to force is prophesies to come true, instead of trusting God that he knows they already will come true in his timing and his way.
well I believe scripture says at one point in history (future history) they all will. But ONLY after certain things happen. and ONLY in Gods timing and his way.
I agree, we can't force things, And these same people who do this are just as bad as the muslims over their trying to kill women and children and anyone they can just because they are jew.
I wish we would stop the fighting, and just teach BOTH sides the gospel, which is ALL we are supposed to do.
Yeah I can hear God now.. Didn't you trust me? Why do you think I needed YOU? oh ye of little faith!
No sis, Stop listening to a certain lady in this chat room who is out to cause division by her slanderous ways. I DO NOT STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THEM. That is HER FALSE ACCUSATION. I am against them as much as I am the Muslims as much as I am the false churches who are doing what you so rightly just claimed they did. and against the jews who are looking for a future messiah, yet reject the one who came 2000 years ago!!!
That is a false statement, I will not be a pawn, because I am against them, have been even in this chatroom. But no one seems to want to see when i fight them right beside you.
I have never denied this. nor would I ever..
lol, if I misunderstood ya, forgive me
2. They think to much of themselves (they think God needs their help)
3. Most are dual covenant (believe Jews ARE saved by the old covenant (mosaic) thus are dangerous!
4. Do not know God, and are trying to force is prophesies to come true, instead of trusting God that he knows they already will come true in his timing and his way.
well I believe scripture says at one point in history (future history) they all will. But ONLY after certain things happen. and ONLY in Gods timing and his way.
I agree, we can't force things, And these same people who do this are just as bad as the muslims over their trying to kill women and children and anyone they can just because they are jew.
I wish we would stop the fighting, and just teach BOTH sides the gospel, which is ALL we are supposed to do.
Yeah I can hear God now.. Didn't you trust me? Why do you think I needed YOU? oh ye of little faith!
No sis, Stop listening to a certain lady in this chat room who is out to cause division by her slanderous ways. I DO NOT STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THEM. That is HER FALSE ACCUSATION. I am against them as much as I am the Muslims as much as I am the false churches who are doing what you so rightly just claimed they did. and against the jews who are looking for a future messiah, yet reject the one who came 2000 years ago!!!
That is a false statement, I will not be a pawn, because I am against them, have been even in this chatroom. But no one seems to want to see when i fight them right beside you.
I have never denied this. nor would I ever..
lol, if I misunderstood ya, forgive me
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Depends on how you look at it.
Them living in it is conditional (lev 26)/ it being theirs was an eternal promise, and not conditional.
What we have now is strangers living in their house. Because they are in sin.. and the strangers will continue to be masters of their house, until the repent.
I agree with those not wanting to go back though, who would want to go back when you KNOW there will be no peace there?? I would not leave my home (if I am living in peace with no fear) to move to a land where I may be killed just because of who I am.. That would be foolish.
Them living in it is conditional (lev 26)/ it being theirs was an eternal promise, and not conditional.
What we have now is strangers living in their house. Because they are in sin.. and the strangers will continue to be masters of their house, until the repent.
I agree with those not wanting to go back though, who would want to go back when you KNOW there will be no peace there?? I would not leave my home (if I am living in peace with no fear) to move to a land where I may be killed just because of who I am.. That would be foolish.
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Well so many say 1948 was an act of God. But we have scripture to deal with
And the land WAS conditional, always.
Deut 6:10,15,18-19 Then it shall come about when the LORD your God brings you into the land which He swore to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you, great and splendid cities which you did not build...You shall not follow other gods, He will wipe you off the face of the earth... do what is right that you may go in and possess the good land which the LORD swore to {give} your fathers...by driving out all your enemies from before you, as the LORD has spoken.
Deut 8:19-20 And it shall come about if you ever forget the LORD your God, and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you shall surely perish. Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.
Deut 9:5 It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Deut 30:17-18 But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You shall not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it.
Josh 23:15 And it shall come about that just as all the good words which the LORD your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the LORD will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you.
Josh 23:12-16 For if you ever go back and cling to the rest of these nations, these which remain among you, and intermarry with them, so that you associate with them and they with you, know with certainty that the LORD your God will not continue to drive these nations out from before you; but they shall be a snare and a trap to you, and a whip on your sides and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you. Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the LORD your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have been fulfilled for you, not one of them has failed. And it shall come about that just as all the good words which the LORD your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the LORD will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you. When you transgress the covenant of the LORD your God, which He commanded you, and go and serve other gods, and bow down to them, then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you.
Jer 18:1-10 ...the vessel that he was making of clay was spoiled in the hand of the potter; so he remade it into another vessel, as it pleased the potter to make... Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does? declares the LORD. Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel...Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it.
Jer 19:10-11 Then you are to break the jar in the sight of the men who accompany you and say to them, `Thus says the LORD of hosts, Just so shall I break this people and this city, even as one breaks a potter's vessel, which cannot again be repaired...
I wont bother posting scripture that the land promise is fulfilled in Christ since so many hate to hear it
Maybe ill start a thread someday and post it, maybe not.
And the land WAS conditional, always.
Deut 6:10,15,18-19 Then it shall come about when the LORD your God brings you into the land which He swore to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you, great and splendid cities which you did not build...You shall not follow other gods, He will wipe you off the face of the earth... do what is right that you may go in and possess the good land which the LORD swore to {give} your fathers...by driving out all your enemies from before you, as the LORD has spoken.
Deut 8:19-20 And it shall come about if you ever forget the LORD your God, and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you shall surely perish. Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.
Deut 9:5 It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Deut 30:17-18 But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You shall not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it.
Josh 23:15 And it shall come about that just as all the good words which the LORD your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the LORD will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you.
Josh 23:12-16 For if you ever go back and cling to the rest of these nations, these which remain among you, and intermarry with them, so that you associate with them and they with you, know with certainty that the LORD your God will not continue to drive these nations out from before you; but they shall be a snare and a trap to you, and a whip on your sides and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you. Now behold, today I am going the way of all the earth, and you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the LORD your God spoke concerning you has failed; all have been fulfilled for you, not one of them has failed. And it shall come about that just as all the good words which the LORD your God spoke to you have come upon you, so the LORD will bring upon you all the threats, until He has destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God has given you. When you transgress the covenant of the LORD your God, which He commanded you, and go and serve other gods, and bow down to them, then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you.
Jer 18:1-10 ...the vessel that he was making of clay was spoiled in the hand of the potter; so he remade it into another vessel, as it pleased the potter to make... Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does? declares the LORD. Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel...Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it.
Jer 19:10-11 Then you are to break the jar in the sight of the men who accompany you and say to them, `Thus says the LORD of hosts, Just so shall I break this people and this city, even as one breaks a potter's vessel, which cannot again be repaired...
I wont bother posting scripture that the land promise is fulfilled in Christ since so many hate to hear it
Maybe ill start a thread someday and post it, maybe not.
1. They are in error
2. They think to much of themselves (they think God needs their help)
3. Most are dual covenant (believe Jews ARE saved by the old covenant (mosaic) thus are dangerous!
4. Do not know God, and are trying to force is prophesies to come true, instead of trusting God that he knows they already will come true in his timing and his way.
well I believe scripture says at one point in history (future history) they all will. But ONLY after certain things happen. and ONLY in Gods timing and his way.
I agree, we can't force things, And these same people who do this are just as bad as the muslims over their trying to kill women and children and anyone they can just because they are jew.
I wish we would stop the fighting, and just teach BOTH sides the gospel, which is ALL we are supposed to do.
Yeah I can hear God now.. Didn't you trust me? Why do you think I needed YOU? oh ye of little faith!
No sis, Stop listening to a certain lady in this chat room who is out to cause division by her slanderous ways. I DO NOT STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THEM. That is HER FALSE ACCUSATION. I am against them as much as I am the Muslims as much as I am the false churches who are doing what you so rightly just claimed they did. and against the jews who are looking for a future messiah, yet reject the one who came 2000 years ago!!!
That is a false statement, I will not be a pawn, because I am against them, have been even in this chatroom. But no one seems to want to see when i fight them right beside you.
I have never denied this. nor would I ever..
lol, if I misunderstood ya, forgive me
2. They think to much of themselves (they think God needs their help)
3. Most are dual covenant (believe Jews ARE saved by the old covenant (mosaic) thus are dangerous!
4. Do not know God, and are trying to force is prophesies to come true, instead of trusting God that he knows they already will come true in his timing and his way.
well I believe scripture says at one point in history (future history) they all will. But ONLY after certain things happen. and ONLY in Gods timing and his way.
I agree, we can't force things, And these same people who do this are just as bad as the muslims over their trying to kill women and children and anyone they can just because they are jew.
I wish we would stop the fighting, and just teach BOTH sides the gospel, which is ALL we are supposed to do.
Yeah I can hear God now.. Didn't you trust me? Why do you think I needed YOU? oh ye of little faith!
No sis, Stop listening to a certain lady in this chat room who is out to cause division by her slanderous ways. I DO NOT STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THEM. That is HER FALSE ACCUSATION. I am against them as much as I am the Muslims as much as I am the false churches who are doing what you so rightly just claimed they did. and against the jews who are looking for a future messiah, yet reject the one who came 2000 years ago!!!
That is a false statement, I will not be a pawn, because I am against them, have been even in this chatroom. But no one seems to want to see when i fight them right beside you.
I have never denied this. nor would I ever..
lol, if I misunderstood ya, forgive me
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Again, LIVING in th eland was conditional. Not owning it../ And you proved that quite well.
And I would say 1948 was not from God according to lev 26..
I wont bother posting scripture that the land promise is fulfilled in Christ since so many hate to hear it
Maybe ill start a thread someday and post it, maybe not.
lol.. It is not that.
some just believe that when God says he gives someone something, and it will be forever, he means it.. Thus they would never fall for the belief an eternal covenant was already fulfilled when;
1. Eternity has not happened yet
2. The thing given still exists (of course if it no longer existed, the covenant would no longer stand because their is nothing to give.) However, if the covenant was taken back by the one who gave it BEFORE the thing ceased to exist, then the covenant was not eternal. and the one who gave it is said to be a liar!
And I would say 1948 was not from God according to lev 26..
I wont bother posting scripture that the land promise is fulfilled in Christ since so many hate to hear it
Maybe ill start a thread someday and post it, maybe not.
some just believe that when God says he gives someone something, and it will be forever, he means it.. Thus they would never fall for the belief an eternal covenant was already fulfilled when;
1. Eternity has not happened yet
2. The thing given still exists (of course if it no longer existed, the covenant would no longer stand because their is nothing to give.) However, if the covenant was taken back by the one who gave it BEFORE the thing ceased to exist, then the covenant was not eternal. and the one who gave it is said to be a liar!
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If you consider how many people have been born and passed away up until this point in time, then consider what all of Israel saved means
it has to do with a point of time
1. They are blinded in part until the fulfillment comes
2. THEN all Israel will be saved. (at that time)
that is a point of time in history (past or future)