correctly studying the book of revelation

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gotime

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What do you mean by 'sanctuary teachings' and Revelation taking place 'in the sanctuary'?
look at the imagery in Revelation here is just a few examples.

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

This was in the Holy place.

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

The ark was in the most holy place.

that is two of the more obvious examples. there are many. in fact the picture is moving through the sanctuary from the holy to the most holy. and there are feast imagery used also in relation to the day of atonement etc.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Thank you all for your wonderful insight

Can we please get over the - I'm right your wrong - you offended me - boo hoo crap- seriously, get over it, so someone hurt your feelings, so someone's opinion is different than your's, oh well,

@eternally grateful
thank you for all you said, I hold you in high respect, I have actually learned alot from things you have said, so thank you, one question though, I think you said I should read the ot to gain understanding of revelations symbols, where should I start, I love the ot, especially Isaiah so this study should be a joy for me, after all God said we are to understand His word and that's all I want
to be honest study all the prophets then study them together with revelation and the gospels, you will see alot of parallel.

but also remember alot of the prophets spoke of things which did take place already, Not just with Jesus and the NT, but thing Like jeremiah spoke of the babylonian captivity.. You are talking about LONG study,, maybe a year or more. not just an overnight study, it will take this long to distinguish things at least. of course if you ever have questions you can always ask
 

jb

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Revelation isn't for everyone anyway...
Don't talk nonsense ofcourse it is! It is VITAL Christian truth for the whole church (which is the body of Christ) for the last days to get His people ready for the dark evil days of the Great Tribulation. So, DON'T be lazy and study it so as to get yourself ready for the dark evil days that lie ahead in the near future, when God will let His time bomb (the mystery of iniquity) work fully. Dan 12v1, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 1v3, 7v14, 12v7-12, 22v18,19.
 
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Tintin

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Thank you. So the sanctuary is the Holy of Hollies in the Holy Tabernacle?

look at the imagery in Revelation here is just a few examples.

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

This was in the Holy place.

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

The ark was in the most holy place.

that is two of the more obvious examples. there are many. in fact the picture is moving through the sanctuary from the holy to the most holy. and there are feast imagery used also in relation to the day of atonement etc.
 
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I have not studied this book yet, because of all the symbolism, it has been very hard for me to understand. So, what is the correct way to study this book so that I can understand all of it's meanings?
I don’t know about the correctly way to studying the book of revelation, but I’ll tell you this if you stay on this website for a year and more you will learn all about it, a crash course of every doctrine known to man about revelation.

I don’t know about the correctly way but I have learned more here in 2 years than 37 years being a Christian
 
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1Covenant

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Carey

I am not sure if this has been mentioned but I have found the view of Progressive Parallelism to be helpful in understanding Revelation. It is an amillennial view of Revelation and it is helpful in understanding how Revelation is relevant to you today.

I have heard that WILLIAM HENDRIKSEN has written a book on it called "More Than Conquerors".

But here is a link that I think will prove helpful.
Geneva Orthodox Presbyterian Church - Revelation Lecture Series
There are 21 lectures at this link and there is this study handbook to accompany these lectures found at this link.
http://www.genevaopc.org/media/pubs/RevelationStudyHandbook.pdf

I pray the Lord will bless your endeavor.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Well put. However, care to expound on what you see as errors with preterism? And what sort of same in particular, if any.
well being a historicist i view the entire preterist notion that there was any kind of 'coming' of jesus in AD 70 as erroneous... :)
 
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Tintin

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I believe much of Revelation had already happened by 70AD but that Jesus definitely hasn't returned yet.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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so God made prophesies. then changed his mind? this is the worst advise you could give someone. God does not make prophesies, then change his mind, he makes them for reasons, if he would ever do this, he has NO reason whatsoever to give prophesy.

Also. Going back to what I said earlier. Many claim some things are fulfilled. ,many claim that have not been. The girl should go in with an open mind, then study for herself..
jeremiah 18:7-10..."At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down, or to destroy it; if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it. Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it."
 
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GRA

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I have not studied this book yet, because of all the symbolism, it has been very hard for me to understand. So, what is the correct way to study this book so that I can understand all of it's meanings?
The short answer -- with and by the guidance of the Holy Spirit - and no one else.

A study of the book of Revelation can be a very rewarding experience. Only, be aware of the following:

~ It is not a short study, by any means. Do not think that you will arrive at "a full and complete conclusion" (or understanding) without much time and effort and prayer and...

Plan on having a very long, very detailed, study.

It depends mostly on how much you already know and understand about a lot of things written in the Bible as well as a few things that are not written in the Bible. (more on this follows)

~ A good study of Revelation will take you to many other books in the Bible - old and new testaments - and back again - over and over again.

~ Some of it is 'literal'. Some of it is 'symbolic'. Some of it has come to pass. Some of it has not. The 'key' to understanding "what is which" - I believe - rests in the very 'manner' and 'approach' you take when you read and study it. (more on this follows)

~ There are many 'pitfalls' that can easily steer you away from the truth - if you do not sufficiently understand the "full" context, including the "time perspective" of John's day and the historical events and "significant players" (on the world stage) from the time it was written until now.

As for 'manner' and 'approach' - I suggest the following... (as a start, anyway)

In terms of how literal or symbolic the book of Revelation is - I believe that it must be viewed in "levels" (of sorts). And, naturally, one must begin at the 'surface' level - and then, from there - into the "depth" of it.

The 'surface' level is 100% literal - in the sense that, what John is "seeing" (and hearing), is literal. Whether it is a these-are-the-facts description of an actual future event that God is showing him, or symbolic imagery that represents or identifies something over-the-course-of-time (more abstract) - it is literal in the sense that what God showed to John, He did so in the form of "visual imagery" - and then, John wrote down exactly what he saw (and heard).

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. ~ Revelation 13:1

This is a description of EXACTLY what John saw. There is NO "pre-interpretation" involved whatsoever. The interpretation of the "symbols" is for us to make - after we have re-created, in our minds, the visual image that John saw. This is very important!

I believe that God used the visual imagery this way for this reason - so that the reader of Revelation could reconstruct, without error, what John saw and recorded (without "pre-interpretation") - and then, proceed to interpret properly based on the context of scripture, etc.

It is very important that we "see" what John saw FIRST - without "pre-interpretation" - or we risk error.

THEN - we seek to determine what is literal and what is symbolic.

The point is, that we MUST begin with the visual image that John saw and recorded - anything else will lead to error.

An example of a very common error that is made by not following this simple ordered-thought process is the meaning of the word 'candlesticks':

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. ~ Revelation 1:20

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. ~ Revelation 11:4

In terms of the visual imagery, what is a candlestick? It is a 'light' - something that serves to "illuminate" or to be a "beacon" (depending on the point of reference).

In Revelation 1:20, the candlesticks represent churches. It tells us that plainly. However, in terms of the visual imagery - what a candlestick is and what it represents are two different things.

In Revelation 1:20 - a candlestick is "a source of illumination" - and represents a church.
In Revelation 11:4 - a candlestick is "a source of illumination" - and represents a witness.

Both are "a source of illumination" (of the gospel, to the world). But, to assume from Revelation 1:20 that a 'candlestick' is (always, by definition) a church - is not any different than to assume from Revelation 11:4 that a 'candlestick' is (always, by definition) a witness.

(Please understand the proper definition of the words 'church' and 'witness' as they are used in the context of these verses.)

What a candlestick is - is the same in both verses. What a candlestick represents is different in the two verses.

By "skipping over" this all-important "first step" - effectively ignoring the importance of the visual imagery - and, "pre-interpreting" the word 'candlesticks' instead of interpreting the visual image - people can improperly assign the meaning of candlesticks to 'churches'. Then, when they get to Revelation 11:4, they erroneously determine that the two candlesticks mentioned in this verse MUST be churches.

( "I'm sure there is more I could write, if I could think of it right now..." )

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eternally-gratefull

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jeremiah 18:7-10..."At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down, or to destroy it; if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it. Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it."

notice the word "prophesy" this is not prophesy, this is God saying he may or may not do something.

prophesy is saying. At this time, in the place. THIS WILL HAPPEN.

a HUGE difference between this, and if you will heed my voice, I will do this, if you do not I will do that. which is called conditional promises..
 

tribesman

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well being a historicist i view the entire preterist notion that there was any kind of 'coming' of jesus in AD 70 as erroneous... :)
That is the "full" preterist view, us "partial" preterists do not see that event as taken place yet. We eagerly await the Lord's return!
 

homwardbound

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I think, and I don't know if I'm right, but I think that the second most important thing is to find our what each thing refers to.

What 'temples' symbolize. What 'candles' symbolize, etc.

And the first is to read it with the view that God has compassion for all people, the kind you'd have for a newborn son or daughter. Boundless.
Matthew 10:16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Good to study and be aware and see people of other Bibles have been led to know Christ one being the Muslim word for God is infinite and has all tools at God's disposal, even though there be many flocks there is only one Shephard. Therefore God will bring in his sheep but not yo a denomination a sect or any cult here on earth, Rather home to Heaven in the Spirit of him
Hebrews 8:2A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
 

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well being a historicist i view the entire preterist notion that there was any kind of 'coming' of jesus in AD 70 as erroneous... :)
Is this "kind" of coming erroneous too?
Psalm 65:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]You visit the earth and water it,
You greatly enrich it;
The river of God is full of water;
You provide their grain,
For so You have prepared it.
 

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That is the "full" preterist view, us "partial" preterists do not see that event as taken place yet. We eagerly await the Lord's return!
Rachel said "any kind" of coming, I believe she's including Christ coming in judgment as well.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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notice the word "prophesy" this is not prophesy, this is God saying he may or may not do something.

prophesy is saying. At this time, in the place. THIS WILL HAPPEN.

a HUGE difference between this, and if you will heed my voice, I will do this, if you do not I will do that. which is called conditional promises..
prophesying is when you tell people that God said something to you...

if God changes what he said he would do...then whatever you prophesied has been revoked...

a good example is hezekiah's illness and isaiah's prophecies about it...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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That is the "full" preterist view, us "partial" preterists do not see that event as taken place yet. We eagerly await the Lord's return!
partial preterists believe AD 70 was a predicted 'coming' in judgment...

i don't believe jesus or the apostles ever meant AD 70 when they referred to jesus' coming...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Is this "kind" of coming erroneous too?
Psalm 65:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]You visit the earth and water it,
You greatly enrich it;
The river of God is full of water;
You provide their grain,
For so You have prepared it.
this is the kind of coming jesus and the apostles never talked about...same as a 'coming' in judgement...

whenever jesus and the apostles spoke of christ's coming...they were talking about his literal return...
 
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Become very familiar with the OT.
Studying Revelation without knowing your OT well is like trying to use a mirror without your face.
Still-waters is correct. Here is an example of what he means.
Everybody say, “The serpent in the Garden is Satan.” How do they know that? Somebody told them. They never checked it out. The only place in the Bible the serpent in the Garden is identified, is in Revelation 12: 9.
Unless you read, and study the complete Bible, the scriptures in Revelation will be like looking into an exploding bomb.
 

homwardbound

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Still-waters is correct. Here is an example of what he means.
Everybody say, “The serpent in the Garden is Satan.” How do they know that? Somebody told them. They never checked it out. The only place in the Bible the serpent in the Garden is identified, is in Revelation 12: 9.
Unless you read, and study the complete Bible, the scriptures in Revelation will be like looking into an exploding bomb.
It really does not matter who the serpent was used by or did of itself, The serpents purpose was to decieve Eve and Adamto eat from the tree that God told them to not eat of, That if they did they would die. well they both got decieved into eating from the tree of evil that to this day masquerades as good. They dies Spiritually that day and became alive to flesh. Man was cursed from that day forward yet God ahd Mercy on Adam and Eve and clothed them. Then after a long time Christ our redeemer came on earth and redeemed mankind forgave them all thier tresspasses and by this is able to present each one that comes to belief as holy to his Father and then that person recieves new life her and now in the Spirit of God being dead to sinful flesh (carnal mindedness) now alive to Christ in the Holy Ghost Saved by the resurrection after the death
Romans 5:10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
2 Corinthians 5:20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.