The problem of female pastors
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Stilly is a great guy. Some may not like his biblical views, but he tries his best to be diplomatic and not let personal views affect his authority as a mod.
He moderates the chat rooms often too. There is a bible study chat room that many from the bible forums frequent as well. I do there some. So does Stephen63, Abiding, and some others
He moderates the chat rooms often too. There is a bible study chat room that many from the bible forums frequent as well. I do there some. So does Stephen63, Abiding, and some others
You believe that literal woman should not teach/preach in church, correct?
If so then who is the head of your life?
I don't want to assume so please make it clear to me. But from where I stand, this can only bring confusion as you must also reconcile that God is not a respecter of persons. The bible also states that both sons and daughters shall prophesy.
If I am mistaken, please show me how this verses agree with your belief so that I may not misinterpret what you believe to be true.
My explanation is throughout the entire thread. You can look back. Afterall you did say this is a dead argument so I don't know why you feel the need to continue on with something that is so "dead".
I have plainly stated, which scripture that a woman should not show authority over a man. There is nothing wrong with her teaching in the correct setting, but in the presence of Christian men she cannot.
1 Cor 11:3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[SUP][a][/SUP] and the head of Christ is God.
Feel free to disagree. I am not going to argue with you. No desire. This is where I stand, and it will not change. No need in beating a dead horse, right?
I have plainly stated, which scripture that a woman should not show authority over a man. There is nothing wrong with her teaching in the correct setting, but in the presence of Christian men she cannot.
1 Cor 11:3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[SUP][a][/SUP] and the head of Christ is God.
Feel free to disagree. I am not going to argue with you. No desire. This is where I stand, and it will not change. No need in beating a dead horse, right?
G
Neither speaks of a woman who is a pastor, although a 'woman' could be considered a pastor, I guess.
One is a church setting , but with husband and wife specifically spoken of.
One is a verse of a church practice that is best, but, again, if one looks at verses 13,14, of 1 Tim. 2 , then Paul has made no ultimatum follow-up when saying he does not allow a woman to teach or have authority over a man but to be silent.
Paul never says a man has authority over a woman, but, it is ASSUMED, isn't it
Paul does speak of order in verse 13, 'Adam was formed first, then Eve."
Further, Paul speaks of justification for the order, and, why women are not to teach 'domination or domineering control' over a man. That 'd' word, or, two 'd's' words, rather, is from the original Greek, 'authentein,' which , in it's root-word sense , authente, means auto + thrust oneself. Very violent connotation of 'authority' English word, if I do say so myself. And, I do !
But to marry this idea of teaching authority NOT for women to do and having authority not for women to do OVER men, we are left with the context for what it is. It is scolding women in church, for they are doing this and Paul is trying to 'stop the bleeding' as I will put it. Paul's words are meant to inspire the men to ACT ! And, Paul's words are meant to help the women understand their role (again, NO woman pastor is mentioned, this passage speaks of women, in general) in the church, it is under the man's control, and, a man or elders, deacons, of a church COULD appoint a woman as shepherd of the flock, too. Don't think God can't use a woman to do things that are better 'order' with men doing.
iT SEEMS OBvious to me, sorry, caps and late at night, I'm not actually doing caps there , but, to me, it seems obvious that 1 Tim. 2:11-15 is speaking of instructions to lay-women and a not a woman who is already ordained a pastor. Plus, I think that Paul is speaking to women about what they are doing in their liberal way of living, their treating men so badly they are NOT lifting holy hands and praying as they should, and, in general being the MAN OF THE HOUSE. (yep, those are caps there )
One is a church setting , but with husband and wife specifically spoken of.
One is a verse of a church practice that is best, but, again, if one looks at verses 13,14, of 1 Tim. 2 , then Paul has made no ultimatum follow-up when saying he does not allow a woman to teach or have authority over a man but to be silent.
Paul never says a man has authority over a woman, but, it is ASSUMED, isn't it
Paul does speak of order in verse 13, 'Adam was formed first, then Eve."
Further, Paul speaks of justification for the order, and, why women are not to teach 'domination or domineering control' over a man. That 'd' word, or, two 'd's' words, rather, is from the original Greek, 'authentein,' which , in it's root-word sense , authente, means auto + thrust oneself. Very violent connotation of 'authority' English word, if I do say so myself. And, I do !
But to marry this idea of teaching authority NOT for women to do and having authority not for women to do OVER men, we are left with the context for what it is. It is scolding women in church, for they are doing this and Paul is trying to 'stop the bleeding' as I will put it. Paul's words are meant to inspire the men to ACT ! And, Paul's words are meant to help the women understand their role (again, NO woman pastor is mentioned, this passage speaks of women, in general) in the church, it is under the man's control, and, a man or elders, deacons, of a church COULD appoint a woman as shepherd of the flock, too. Don't think God can't use a woman to do things that are better 'order' with men doing.
iT SEEMS OBvious to me, sorry, caps and late at night, I'm not actually doing caps there
, but, to me, it seems obvious that 1 Tim. 2:11-15 is speaking of instructions to lay-women and a not a woman who is already ordained a pastor. Plus, I think that Paul is speaking to women about what they are doing in their liberal way of living, their treating men so badly they are NOT lifting holy hands and praying as they should, and, in general being the MAN OF THE HOUSE. (yep, those are caps there )Yes it was law. You must understand that at that time women were not allow to be educated and most men could not read. What was happening is that during service the women were asking the men questions about what was being said and Paul was simply stating wait till you get home and not disturb the service.
You made it quite clear that you think others cherry-pick scripture yet when I mention other edicts of Paul you will not say whether you stick to them all. You accuse others of not listening. Yet you will not listen to opinions contrary to yours (as is made clear by rarely responding to another's points but by repeating your own).
You are guilty of all these things you accuse others of. Which is hypocritical - which you also accuse others of.
And using straw man arguments is just too silly.
What you've said here gives a pretty clear indication as to your heart.
You are guilty of all these things you accuse others of. Which is hypocritical - which you also accuse others of.
And using straw man arguments is just too silly.
What you've said here gives a pretty clear indication as to your heart.
Whenever you find "discussions" like these, you will always find the same common denominator in them. What you will find is Scriptures on both sides of the coin. There will always seem to be Scriptures that contradict each other. While that looks to be the case, it's not true. One set of scriptures of the coin have been misinterpreted. This is due to a number of things:
1. Incorrect translation of the King James version. Many "favorite" doctrines of denominations can be thrown out altogether simply by checking two or three reputable translations with one another to prove it.
A. The King James version has been known to a point to play "favorites" with some doctrines by the way of translation.
Research it for yourself.
B. Part of the mistranslation is not intentional. It becomes mistranslation as a result of the changing of meanings of words in the English language.
2. Multiple meanings of Greek words. Some Greek words have multiple meanings that have no similarities with one another. It has been discovered that some Greek words have been misinterpreted due to multiple meanings. It is also been discovered that in certain Bible versions, the multiple meaning has been taking advantage of for the sake of private interpretation, such as writing female characters out of Scripture. Some have even intentionally gave women bad reputations (Mary Magdalene). Those of you accusing others of "changing" the Scriptures may discover that those Scriptures have been "changed" before you were born.
So whenever you see Scriptures clashing with themselves, it's usually because of these two reasons. There are others, but it would take up too much space to talk about. These are the main two. I would suggest that instead of arguing and disputing over what you believe, that folks would study the Greek and Hebrew, as well as other trusted translations of the Bible. It would also help you tremendously if you would study biblical history of the cities and countries where some of the Scriptures were written to find out whether what was written was for a particular problem of that church or a general one for everybody. A Bible student on here already stated the situation with the church of Ephesus. She was correct. There were also similar problems in Corinth. Many believers fail to comprehend that most of the new converts in these churches were Gentiles delivered from idolatry. They did just like the Israelites did when leaving Egypt...... they brought their idols and lifestyles with them.
1. Incorrect translation of the King James version. Many "favorite" doctrines of denominations can be thrown out altogether simply by checking two or three reputable translations with one another to prove it.
A. The King James version has been known to a point to play "favorites" with some doctrines by the way of translation.
Research it for yourself.
B. Part of the mistranslation is not intentional. It becomes mistranslation as a result of the changing of meanings of words in the English language.
2. Multiple meanings of Greek words. Some Greek words have multiple meanings that have no similarities with one another. It has been discovered that some Greek words have been misinterpreted due to multiple meanings. It is also been discovered that in certain Bible versions, the multiple meaning has been taking advantage of for the sake of private interpretation, such as writing female characters out of Scripture. Some have even intentionally gave women bad reputations (Mary Magdalene). Those of you accusing others of "changing" the Scriptures may discover that those Scriptures have been "changed" before you were born.
So whenever you see Scriptures clashing with themselves, it's usually because of these two reasons. There are others, but it would take up too much space to talk about. These are the main two. I would suggest that instead of arguing and disputing over what you believe, that folks would study the Greek and Hebrew, as well as other trusted translations of the Bible. It would also help you tremendously if you would study biblical history of the cities and countries where some of the Scriptures were written to find out whether what was written was for a particular problem of that church or a general one for everybody. A Bible student on here already stated the situation with the church of Ephesus. She was correct. There were also similar problems in Corinth. Many believers fail to comprehend that most of the new converts in these churches were Gentiles delivered from idolatry. They did just like the Israelites did when leaving Egypt...... they brought their idols and lifestyles with them.
Ok now I have read every response here. It took me some time as you might imagine. I have a lot to say. I think first I would like to discuss faith.
I practice thanking God for all things because I trust God implicitly. So I thank God for every post and every word in each post. I thank God for each poster and even for the sins which have been committed here. IT is not important to me that any of you believe what I believe. IT is written the only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love. EAch of us should live our lives according to what we believe and God will lift up the humble and bring down the proud. Considering these things, I am going to share with all of you what I believe and why. IF any here find my beliefs to be more wise than their own feel free to adopt them. IF you consider me to be misled, feel free to leave my opinions as they are and do not adopt them. I am your servant in Christ. Not your master or lord, and though I consider I am called by God to lead, My leadership can not be like those who had power over the gentiles and lorded it over them. As it is written, the one who would lead must make himself a servant to all. I am your servant. Not your boss. God is our God. I worship Him only. HE alone is worthy of all glory and honor and praise. All authority and power come from HIm.
My beliefs:
Scripture records sin. From the sins of Adam and Eve to the sins of David to the sins of the apostles. I think we would all be in agreement about this no?
How are we saved? Are we saved by the law? NO. OUr salvation is by grace through faith. This is not from ourselves but from God. So do we live as servants to the law or do we live(and have salvation) by grace? Are we not free from the law of sin and death? Lets examine some other parts of scripture which I believe shed light on the passages which have been quoted by others promoting this line of thinking that women should not be pastors or leaders.
Acts 13:39
Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Galatians 3:10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Lets look at other things Paul preached that seem contrary to what he said in this passage:
1cor14:34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
Dont we remember Paul opposed Cephas? What was this rebuke about?
Galations chp 2aul Opposes Cephas
11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
This passage among others(like romans chp 7 and many other similar passages) Speak clearly that we live by grace not by the law. The verse where paul and then timothy say they do not permit women to speak(paul admits freely "as the law says") and timothy does not say This is God's word but says "I do not permit." Paul rebuked Cephas for doing elsewhere what HE himself is doing here. This is the same rebuke that Jesus gave the pharisees and saducees "you heap burdens on others while you yourselves are not willing to lift a finger" He was of course speaking of the burdens of the law because the pharisees even though they were all law breakers were insistant that the flock obey the entire law.
Along the same point. Do any of you remember the guy who was chosen to replace Judas? Remember the apostles cast lots? LEts look at the verses. The story goes from acts chp 1 vs 12 to acts chp one:26 "Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles."
You know people still today cast lots believing God's will can be decided this way? Why dont we know Matthias? Can anyone give me an account of his apostleship? I think this is the one and only time his name is mentioned. Why? Because the man God had chosen to replace Judas wasnt there. It seems fairly obvious to me God chose Saul from tarsus(who became Paul) to fill Judas position as an apostle. So how does this fit in?
The apostles casting lots was sinful. It is easy for those with open eyes to see. Matthias was not chosen by God to replace Judas, Paul was. IN the same line, Paul writing that women should remain silent in church was equally sinful. HE even stated it..."as the law says." YEt Paul understood and wrote that we are no longer under the law but under grace.
You know there are people who teach that men should have many wives because David was called a man after God's heart and David had hundreds of wives. David was called a man after God's heart in spite of his many wives not because of them. IN spite of his adultry and murder of Uriah not because of them.
LEt me show each of you the absolute absurdity I see in this entire subject. Which of us would dream of telling God what to do??? Is it appropiate to say to God, you serve me do as I say? HOw then could we consider it even remotly Godly to tell anyone else what they should or shouldnt do? Isnt it written, whatsoever you do to the least of these you do unto me??? IF you wouldnt dream of telling God what to do then neither should any of us think it is our job to tell any other person what to do. I do not think these things belong within the body of Christ. The one who leads must make himself servant to all. A servant does not command his master but serves in obedience. I am your servant in Christ. Joseph
I practice thanking God for all things because I trust God implicitly. So I thank God for every post and every word in each post. I thank God for each poster and even for the sins which have been committed here. IT is not important to me that any of you believe what I believe. IT is written the only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love. EAch of us should live our lives according to what we believe and God will lift up the humble and bring down the proud. Considering these things, I am going to share with all of you what I believe and why. IF any here find my beliefs to be more wise than their own feel free to adopt them. IF you consider me to be misled, feel free to leave my opinions as they are and do not adopt them. I am your servant in Christ. Not your master or lord, and though I consider I am called by God to lead, My leadership can not be like those who had power over the gentiles and lorded it over them. As it is written, the one who would lead must make himself a servant to all. I am your servant. Not your boss. God is our God. I worship Him only. HE alone is worthy of all glory and honor and praise. All authority and power come from HIm.
My beliefs:
Scripture records sin. From the sins of Adam and Eve to the sins of David to the sins of the apostles. I think we would all be in agreement about this no?
How are we saved? Are we saved by the law? NO. OUr salvation is by grace through faith. This is not from ourselves but from God. So do we live as servants to the law or do we live(and have salvation) by grace? Are we not free from the law of sin and death? Lets examine some other parts of scripture which I believe shed light on the passages which have been quoted by others promoting this line of thinking that women should not be pastors or leaders.
Acts 13:39
Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Galatians 3:10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Lets look at other things Paul preached that seem contrary to what he said in this passage:
1cor14:34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
Dont we remember Paul opposed Cephas? What was this rebuke about?
Galations chp 2
aul Opposes Cephas11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
This passage among others(like romans chp 7 and many other similar passages) Speak clearly that we live by grace not by the law. The verse where paul and then timothy say they do not permit women to speak(paul admits freely "as the law says") and timothy does not say This is God's word but says "I do not permit." Paul rebuked Cephas for doing elsewhere what HE himself is doing here. This is the same rebuke that Jesus gave the pharisees and saducees "you heap burdens on others while you yourselves are not willing to lift a finger" He was of course speaking of the burdens of the law because the pharisees even though they were all law breakers were insistant that the flock obey the entire law.
Along the same point. Do any of you remember the guy who was chosen to replace Judas? Remember the apostles cast lots? LEts look at the verses. The story goes from acts chp 1 vs 12 to acts chp one:26 "Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles."
You know people still today cast lots believing God's will can be decided this way? Why dont we know Matthias? Can anyone give me an account of his apostleship? I think this is the one and only time his name is mentioned. Why? Because the man God had chosen to replace Judas wasnt there. It seems fairly obvious to me God chose Saul from tarsus(who became Paul) to fill Judas position as an apostle. So how does this fit in?
The apostles casting lots was sinful. It is easy for those with open eyes to see. Matthias was not chosen by God to replace Judas, Paul was. IN the same line, Paul writing that women should remain silent in church was equally sinful. HE even stated it..."as the law says." YEt Paul understood and wrote that we are no longer under the law but under grace.
You know there are people who teach that men should have many wives because David was called a man after God's heart and David had hundreds of wives. David was called a man after God's heart in spite of his many wives not because of them. IN spite of his adultry and murder of Uriah not because of them.
LEt me show each of you the absolute absurdity I see in this entire subject. Which of us would dream of telling God what to do??? Is it appropiate to say to God, you serve me do as I say? HOw then could we consider it even remotly Godly to tell anyone else what they should or shouldnt do? Isnt it written, whatsoever you do to the least of these you do unto me??? IF you wouldnt dream of telling God what to do then neither should any of us think it is our job to tell any other person what to do. I do not think these things belong within the body of Christ. The one who leads must make himself servant to all. A servant does not command his master but serves in obedience. I am your servant in Christ. Joseph
Joey - you start of with "it's ok with you believing what you believe and not believing what I believe"
then you come out with
"LEt me show each of you the absolute absurdity I see in this entire subject."
it's fine to be liberal or decide both 'sides' are wrong.
But don't be a hypocrit and say all opinion is fine but attack people for having an opinion.
It's an issue and was bound to be because our faith is based upon one that is several thousands of years old.
Don't come here with attitude to try and solve it - it won't work.
then you come out with
"LEt me show each of you the absolute absurdity I see in this entire subject."
it's fine to be liberal or decide both 'sides' are wrong.
But don't be a hypocrit and say all opinion is fine but attack people for having an opinion.
It's an issue and was bound to be because our faith is based upon one that is several thousands of years old.
Don't come here with attitude to try and solve it - it won't work.
G
Great post, joe, now, exactly are the way I would like my words to be said, humbly, thoughtfully, awesomely said, I think. Now, go get yourself a cup of java, be blessed, follow Him . John 21:22
"His thoughts are higher than our thoughts and His ways are not our ways" Good ole Isaiah, a major prophet of God, said that, hmm, check that, God spoke the words right through Isaiah
I just wonder if God has a problem with female pastors ? They are out there now. What does God do to them? Seems to me, they are producing 'fruit' and are leading others to Christ, that is my hope and prayer.
It just seems counterproductive to think a pastor, in general, has authority over anyone, and, certainly, a pastor should not teach authority, that is, that they are superior.
I believe female pastors are called to the ministry of the pulpit, it's a lot more rare for women pastors in the ministry but not unheard of and I don't see God smiting women pastors right now. Do you?
They , the ones I know, preach Christ and Christ crucified, being Joyce Meyers, Paula White. Just forget doctrine and think of what Paul says we are to do to be His: believe in Him, believe in Jesus having died on the cross and rose again. That's it. The rest is semantics
chapter 55:
9“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,"
"His thoughts are higher than our thoughts and His ways are not our ways" Good ole Isaiah, a major prophet of God, said that, hmm, check that, God spoke the words right through Isaiah
I just wonder if God has a problem with female pastors ? They are out there now. What does God do to them? Seems to me, they are producing 'fruit' and are leading others to Christ, that is my hope and prayer.
It just seems counterproductive to think a pastor, in general, has authority over anyone, and, certainly, a pastor should not teach authority, that is, that they are superior.
I believe female pastors are called to the ministry of the pulpit, it's a lot more rare for women pastors in the ministry but not unheard of and I don't see God smiting women pastors right now. Do you?
They , the ones I know, preach Christ and Christ crucified, being Joyce Meyers, Paula White. Just forget doctrine and think of what Paul says we are to do to be His: believe in Him, believe in Jesus having died on the cross and rose again. That's it. The rest is semantics
chapter 55:
9“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,"
Actually I think the Bible is clear.
I just don't believe Paul was expressing the word of 'God for eternity' every time he wrote. He stated he often wrote of HIS opinion and not of God's will.
Paul wrote to the churches.
Did Matthew, Mark or John - even Luke or James, or Jude or John or Peter write to a church they had created?
No.
Just Paul.
I just don't believe Paul was expressing the word of 'God for eternity' every time he wrote. He stated he often wrote of HIS opinion and not of God's will.
Paul wrote to the churches.
Did Matthew, Mark or John - even Luke or James, or Jude or John or Peter write to a church they had created?
No.
Just Paul.
G
There is context of Artemis, the female Goddess of power, teaching the women to dominate, think it was Artemis' teaching, of this time, keeping women thinking they were superior to men. And, Paul HAD to put an end to that, had to try, he did, by telling the men to get UP in churches and do something, raise your hands, pray everywhere (not just in church, but in your house, in your work-time, etc. Everywhere means everywhere ) Paul wanted the men to be in authority, as God made you, husbands, be someone your wife WANTS to submit to.
But, to say 'I don't believe Paul was expressing the wod of 'God for eternity' every time he wrote, to me, anyway, seems dicey to say. He did say 'I' a lot but ALL Scripture is God-breathed and I believe those 'I's' Paul said a lot were EXACTLY how God wanted Paul to say things, or else there would be too much confusion in Paul's epistles, not to mention a lot of others of Scripture's authors.
) Paul wanted the men to be in authority, as God made you, husbands, be someone your wife WANTS to submit to. But, to say 'I don't believe Paul was expressing the wod of 'God for eternity' every time he wrote, to me, anyway, seems dicey to say. He did say 'I' a lot but ALL Scripture is God-breathed and I believe those 'I's' Paul said a lot were EXACTLY how God wanted Paul to say things, or else there would be too much confusion in Paul's epistles, not to mention a lot of others of Scripture's authors.