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I am NOT dual covenant. I do not believe Any one is or has ever been saved by the law..yet I have said this many times,, you still do not believe me.
none of the rest matters because it is not salvic.
You make it salvic by demanding I am dual covenant, You are wrong.
so are you going to apologize. or claim I still believe jews are saved by a different covenant? Your the only person I know in this chat room that think I am..
none of the rest matters because it is not salvic.
You make it salvic by demanding I am dual covenant, You are wrong.
so are you going to apologize. or claim I still believe jews are saved by a different covenant? Your the only person I know in this chat room that think I am..
but:
Commission of the Holy See for Religious Relations with the Jews
The Holy See - The Roman Curia - Pontifical Councils - Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity < click
and :
The most recent document published by the Pontifical Biblical Commission on The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible (2001), after recognizing the "surprising strength of the spiritual bonds that united the Church of Christ to the Jewish people" (n. 85), concludes by noting that "in the past, the break between the Jewish people and the Church of Christ Jesus might at times have seemed complete in certain periods and in certain places. In the light of the Scriptures, this should never have happened, because a complete break between the Church and the Synagogue is in contradiction to Sacred Scripture" (ibid.).
Thus, in the contemporary context, which cannot ignore the appalling slaughter of the Shoah in the 20th century, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, introducing this document, asks the question: "Did not the presentation of the Jews and of the Jewish people, in the New Testament itself, contribute to creating a hostility to this people which the ideology of those who wanted to suppress it has encouraged?". The document honestly admits that many passages in the New Testament that are critical of the Jews "served as a pretext for anti-Jewish sentiment and, effectively, have been used for this purpose" (n. 87). A few years earlier, Pope John Paul II himself had said that "in the Christian world - I do not say on the part of the Church as such - erroneous and unjust interpretations of the New Testament regarding the Jewish people and their alleged culpability have circulated for too long, engendering feelings of hostility towards this people" (Address to Participants in a Symposium on "The Roots of Anti-Judaism in the Christian Milieu", n. 1, 31 October 1997; ORE, 5 November 1997, p. 1).
"there is need for acknowledgment of the common roots linking Christianity and the Jewish people, who are called by God to a covenant which remains irrevocable (cf. Rom 11: 29) and has attained definitive fullness in Christ. Consequently, it is necessary to encourage dialogue with Judaism, knowing that it is fundamentally important for the self-knowledge of Christians and for the transcending of divisions between the Churches" (ibid.). Dialogue and collaboration between Christians and Jews "also implies that "acknowledgment be given to any part which the children of the Church have had in the growth and spread of anti-Semitism in history; forgiveness must be sought for this from God, and every effort must be made to favour encounters of reconciliation and of friendship with the sons of Israel'" (ibid.).
In this spirit of rediscovered brotherhood a new springtime for the Church and for the world can bloom once more, with the heart turned from Rome to Jerusalem and to the land of the Fathers, so that there too a just and lasting peace may quickly germinate for all and mature like a banner flying in the midst of the peoples.
Anti-semitism: A wound to be healed < click
Commission of the Holy See for Religious Relations with the Jews
The Holy See - The Roman Curia - Pontifical Councils - Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity < click
and :
The most recent document published by the Pontifical Biblical Commission on The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible (2001), after recognizing the "surprising strength of the spiritual bonds that united the Church of Christ to the Jewish people" (n. 85), concludes by noting that "in the past, the break between the Jewish people and the Church of Christ Jesus might at times have seemed complete in certain periods and in certain places. In the light of the Scriptures, this should never have happened, because a complete break between the Church and the Synagogue is in contradiction to Sacred Scripture" (ibid.).
Thus, in the contemporary context, which cannot ignore the appalling slaughter of the Shoah in the 20th century, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, introducing this document, asks the question: "Did not the presentation of the Jews and of the Jewish people, in the New Testament itself, contribute to creating a hostility to this people which the ideology of those who wanted to suppress it has encouraged?". The document honestly admits that many passages in the New Testament that are critical of the Jews "served as a pretext for anti-Jewish sentiment and, effectively, have been used for this purpose" (n. 87). A few years earlier, Pope John Paul II himself had said that "in the Christian world - I do not say on the part of the Church as such - erroneous and unjust interpretations of the New Testament regarding the Jewish people and their alleged culpability have circulated for too long, engendering feelings of hostility towards this people" (Address to Participants in a Symposium on "The Roots of Anti-Judaism in the Christian Milieu", n. 1, 31 October 1997; ORE, 5 November 1997, p. 1).
"there is need for acknowledgment of the common roots linking Christianity and the Jewish people, who are called by God to a covenant which remains irrevocable (cf. Rom 11: 29) and has attained definitive fullness in Christ. Consequently, it is necessary to encourage dialogue with Judaism, knowing that it is fundamentally important for the self-knowledge of Christians and for the transcending of divisions between the Churches" (ibid.). Dialogue and collaboration between Christians and Jews "also implies that "acknowledgment be given to any part which the children of the Church have had in the growth and spread of anti-Semitism in history; forgiveness must be sought for this from God, and every effort must be made to favour encounters of reconciliation and of friendship with the sons of Israel'" (ibid.).
In this spirit of rediscovered brotherhood a new springtime for the Church and for the world can bloom once more, with the heart turned from Rome to Jerusalem and to the land of the Fathers, so that there too a just and lasting peace may quickly germinate for all and mature like a banner flying in the midst of the peoples.
Anti-semitism: A wound to be healed < click
will you please draft a letter informing the khazarian jews of your findings please.
you are an authority based on a few early (debunked themselves) attempts to attribute these people and their real history to antisemitic nazis.
please be sure to inform them their history needs to go into the trash where it belongs.
"The history of Khazaria presents us with a fascinating example of how Jewish life flourished in the Middle Ages. In a time when Jews were persecuted thruout Christian Europe, the kingdom of Khazaria was a beacon of hope. Jews were able to flourish in Khazaria because of the tolerance of the Khazar rulers, who invited Byzantine and Persian Jewish refugees to settle in their country. Due to the influence of these refugees, the Khazars found the Jewish religion to be appealing and adopted Judaism in large numbers.
Most of the available information about the Khazars comes from Arabic, Hebrew, Armenian, Byzantine, and Slavic sources, most of which are reliable. There is also a large quantity of archaeological evidence concerning the Khazars that illuminates multiple aspects of the Khazarian economy (arts and crafts, trade, agriculture, fishing, etc.) as well as burial practices.
Origins. The Khazars were a Turkic1 people who originated in Central Asia. The early Turkic tribes were quite diverse, although it is believed that reddish hair was predominant among them prior to the Mongol conquests. In the beginning, the Khazars believed in Tengri shamanism, spoke a Turkic language, and were nomadic. Later, the Khazars adopted Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, learned Hebrew and Slavic, and became settled in cities and towns thruout the north Caucasus and Ukraine. The Khazars had a great history of ethnic independence extending approximately 800 years from the 5th to the 13th century.
The earliest history of the Khazars in southern Russia, prior to the middle of the 6th century, is hidden in obscurity. From about 550 to 630, the Khazars were part of the Western Turkish Empire, ruled by the Celestial Blue Turks (Kök Turks). When the Western Turkish Empire was broken up as a result of civil wars in the middle of the 7th century, the Khazars successfully asserted their independence. Yet, the Kök kaganate under which they had lived provided the Khazars with their system of government. For example, the Khazars followed the same guidelines as the Kök Turks regarding the succession of kings.
An Introduction to the History of Khazaria < click
"Most of the available information about the Khazars comes from Arabic, Hebrew, Armenian, Byzantine, and Slavic sources, most of which are reliable."
while you are informing everyone of your findings (racist nazi ideological trash), please contact the custodians and scholars responsible for the above sources.
please, as well, revise the history books which record scores of travelers and regional contemporaries who testified and record their own histories and observations that the Khazars were - first - pagan shamanistic gentiles, who under the influence of immigrant Rabbinic families (who married into the Khazarian Royalty and found favor in the courts) - virtually the entire nation converted to Talmudic Judaism, and over a few short generations (after destroying most remnants of their pagan past, phallic idols etc, due to their new beliefs)...ALL BEGAN TO BELIEVE THEY WERE ANCIENT ISRAELITES.
did you see where they migrated to after their final conquest and the dissolution of their Kingdom?
so, do the KHAZARS themselves CLAIM to be ancient israelites or don't they? no they DON'T.
they had some intermarriage (see site), and they migrated to various places (see site).
so, though DNA is a bogus way to determine anything to any definitive degree and there really ought to be no reason for it (unless racists need to prove racial purity or heritage for some 'important' reason), of course you are going to find SOME connection - they considered themsleves jews and married jews!
that doesn't ake them israelites and they never claimed to be.
they converted to Judaism 700 years AFTER CHRIST.
you'll find these artifacts at Khazaria.com - they are not ashamed of their heritage, but perhaps they'll believe you that their history belongs in the garbage can.
Ukrainian Prince Sviatoslav's defeat of the Khazar army c. 968 A.D.
Hexagram on Khazar shield.
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The Star of David, known in Hebrew as the Shield of David or Magen David (Hebrew מָגֵן דָּוִד; Biblical Hebrew Māḡēn Dāwīḏ [maːˈɣeːn daːˈwiːð], Tiberian [mɔˈɣen dɔˈvið], Modern Hebrew [maˈɡen daˈvid], Ashkenazi Hebrew and Yiddish Mogein Dovid [ˈmɔɡeɪn ˈdɔvid] or Mogen Dovid) is a generally recognized symbol of Jewish identity and Judaism.[1] Its shape is that of a hexagram, the compound of two equilateral triangles. The hexagram has been in use as a symbol of Judaism since the 17th century, with precedents in the 14th to 16th centuries in Central Europe, where the Shield of David was partly used in conjunction with the Seal of Solomon (the hexagram) on Jewish flags. Its use probably derives from medieval (11th to 13th century) Jewish protective amulets (segulot).
Star of David - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
you are an authority based on a few early (debunked themselves) attempts to attribute these people and their real history to antisemitic nazis.
please be sure to inform them their history needs to go into the trash where it belongs.
"The history of Khazaria presents us with a fascinating example of how Jewish life flourished in the Middle Ages. In a time when Jews were persecuted thruout Christian Europe, the kingdom of Khazaria was a beacon of hope. Jews were able to flourish in Khazaria because of the tolerance of the Khazar rulers, who invited Byzantine and Persian Jewish refugees to settle in their country. Due to the influence of these refugees, the Khazars found the Jewish religion to be appealing and adopted Judaism in large numbers.
Most of the available information about the Khazars comes from Arabic, Hebrew, Armenian, Byzantine, and Slavic sources, most of which are reliable. There is also a large quantity of archaeological evidence concerning the Khazars that illuminates multiple aspects of the Khazarian economy (arts and crafts, trade, agriculture, fishing, etc.) as well as burial practices.
Origins. The Khazars were a Turkic1 people who originated in Central Asia. The early Turkic tribes were quite diverse, although it is believed that reddish hair was predominant among them prior to the Mongol conquests. In the beginning, the Khazars believed in Tengri shamanism, spoke a Turkic language, and were nomadic. Later, the Khazars adopted Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, learned Hebrew and Slavic, and became settled in cities and towns thruout the north Caucasus and Ukraine. The Khazars had a great history of ethnic independence extending approximately 800 years from the 5th to the 13th century.
The earliest history of the Khazars in southern Russia, prior to the middle of the 6th century, is hidden in obscurity. From about 550 to 630, the Khazars were part of the Western Turkish Empire, ruled by the Celestial Blue Turks (Kök Turks). When the Western Turkish Empire was broken up as a result of civil wars in the middle of the 7th century, the Khazars successfully asserted their independence. Yet, the Kök kaganate under which they had lived provided the Khazars with their system of government. For example, the Khazars followed the same guidelines as the Kök Turks regarding the succession of kings.
An Introduction to the History of Khazaria < click
"Most of the available information about the Khazars comes from Arabic, Hebrew, Armenian, Byzantine, and Slavic sources, most of which are reliable."
while you are informing everyone of your findings (racist nazi ideological trash), please contact the custodians and scholars responsible for the above sources.
please, as well, revise the history books which record scores of travelers and regional contemporaries who testified and record their own histories and observations that the Khazars were - first - pagan shamanistic gentiles, who under the influence of immigrant Rabbinic families (who married into the Khazarian Royalty and found favor in the courts) - virtually the entire nation converted to Talmudic Judaism, and over a few short generations (after destroying most remnants of their pagan past, phallic idols etc, due to their new beliefs)...ALL BEGAN TO BELIEVE THEY WERE ANCIENT ISRAELITES.
did you see where they migrated to after their final conquest and the dissolution of their Kingdom?
so, do the KHAZARS themselves CLAIM to be ancient israelites or don't they? no they DON'T.
they had some intermarriage (see site), and they migrated to various places (see site).
so, though DNA is a bogus way to determine anything to any definitive degree and there really ought to be no reason for it (unless racists need to prove racial purity or heritage for some 'important' reason), of course you are going to find SOME connection - they considered themsleves jews and married jews!
that doesn't ake them israelites and they never claimed to be.
they converted to Judaism 700 years AFTER CHRIST.
you'll find these artifacts at Khazaria.com - they are not ashamed of their heritage, but perhaps they'll believe you that their history belongs in the garbage can.
Ukrainian Prince Sviatoslav's defeat of the Khazar army c. 968 A.D.
Hexagram on Khazar shield.
.........................
The Star of David, known in Hebrew as the Shield of David or Magen David (Hebrew מָגֵן דָּוִד; Biblical Hebrew Māḡēn Dāwīḏ [maːˈɣeːn daːˈwiːð], Tiberian [mɔˈɣen dɔˈvið], Modern Hebrew [maˈɡen daˈvid], Ashkenazi Hebrew and Yiddish Mogein Dovid [ˈmɔɡeɪn ˈdɔvid] or Mogen Dovid) is a generally recognized symbol of Jewish identity and Judaism.[1] Its shape is that of a hexagram, the compound of two equilateral triangles. The hexagram has been in use as a symbol of Judaism since the 17th century, with precedents in the 14th to 16th centuries in Central Europe, where the Shield of David was partly used in conjunction with the Seal of Solomon (the hexagram) on Jewish flags. Its use probably derives from medieval (11th to 13th century) Jewish protective amulets (segulot).
Star of David - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
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My only question here is if the antichrist is not an individual...
and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
(Rev 20:10)
how do you throw the "the spirit of antichrist" into the lake of fire?
and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
(Rev 20:10)
how do you throw the "the spirit of antichrist" into the lake of fire?
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In this spirit of rediscovered brotherhood a new springtime for the Church and for the world can bloom once more, with the heart turned from Rome to Jerusalem and to the land of the Fathers, so that there too a just and lasting peace may quickly germinate for all and mature like a banner flying in the midst of the peoples.
there ya have it.
In this spirit of rediscovered brotherhood a new springtime for the Church and for the world can bloom once more, with the heart turned from Rome to Jerusalem and to the land of the Fathers, so that there too a just and lasting peace may quickly germinate for all and mature like a banner flying in the midst of the peoples.
there ya have it.
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So the truth comes out. You are unwilling to admit anything.
As I told Abiding and bookends.. Our views only differ because you see daniel 9 as salvic I do not. Since this is the case. we can not agree on things of prophey concerning Israel. You see them all (salvic) fulfilled in Christ on the cross. I see them all (non salvic) only to be fulfilled when Israel repents and turns from their sin and recieves Christ.
since you see Dan 9 as salvic YOU MUST proclaim (falsely I might add) that I am Dual covenant (jews saved under mosaic covenant gentiles saved under new covenant) or some assemblance of it which is false. Since I do not believe it is salvic. It does not matter what answer I give,, We will not agree. and you will condemn me, which you have.
finally I might add.. Do I believe jews are blinded until all gentiles are saved? If you would ever read what I post. you would have seen I FOUGHT THIS LIE TOOTH AND NAIL.. with a few people in the last two weeks in other threads which you were very active in, and you would not have asked such a question, because you would have known it is not true.
As I told Abiding and bookends.. Our views only differ because you see daniel 9 as salvic I do not. Since this is the case. we can not agree on things of prophey concerning Israel. You see them all (salvic) fulfilled in Christ on the cross. I see them all (non salvic) only to be fulfilled when Israel repents and turns from their sin and recieves Christ.
since you see Dan 9 as salvic YOU MUST proclaim (falsely I might add) that I am Dual covenant (jews saved under mosaic covenant gentiles saved under new covenant) or some assemblance of it which is false. Since I do not believe it is salvic. It does not matter what answer I give,, We will not agree. and you will condemn me, which you have.
finally I might add.. Do I believe jews are blinded until all gentiles are saved? If you would ever read what I post. you would have seen I FOUGHT THIS LIE TOOTH AND NAIL.. with a few people in the last two weeks in other threads which you were very active in, and you would not have asked such a question, because you would have known it is not true.
See my sig...
Zech 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
fulfilled bud