END TIMES PART 1

[Earlmayknowornot]

THE END TIMES PART 1


The Rapture​

INTRODUCTION:
Several members ask, if I would do study on the end times. I wish, I could have done it sooner, but be that as it may, this is the first part. I know this topic has been discussed many times, but I feel we must talk about again. I believe that is the next greatest event that will take place. With that said, I am presenting this from a pre trib perspective. I know many of you believe differently and I am not here to persuade to my belief. So let’s discuss this quickly and move on to the next part which will be posted in a few days.

Okay, here we go. Let’s start with 1 Thessalonians 4 since it normally pointed to as the rapture.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord,( present that the doctrine of the Rapture of the Church as the “Word of the Lord”) that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord( all Believers who are alive at the Rapture) shall not prevent them which are asleep.( refers to that fact that living Saints will precede the dead Saints)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up( Raptured) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:(This word “air” in the Greek is “aer”, and refers to the lower part of the atmosphere about 6,000 feet. So He at this time is not returning to Earth only the atmosphere and in this time the Jews referred to it as heaven.) and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Now let’s take a look at 2 Thessalonians 2.

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,( refers to the Second Coming and the Rapture.) and by our gathering together unto him,( this refers to the Rapture only)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us,( here many scholars believe that someone had written a forged letter to them stating the Rapture had already taken place and were in the tribulation now and signed it in Paul’s name. Needless to say they were in a panic.) as that the day of Christ is at hand.( Should have been translated “Day of the Lord” and it refers to all events after the Rapture)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,( Better translated “ for that day shall not come, except there come a departure first.” This is the Rapture.) and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;( after the Rapture)

I have much, much more but, this getting to long already. So what do y’all think.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Should have said that living Saint's "will not precede" and I missed one that should be in red. I typed this in word and pated it to the editor and some things got changed for some reason. Next time I will check more closely. Sorry. However most came through correct.

 

[Abiding]

you messed up 2 Thes 2:3

a falling away is not a rapture. its a mass apostasy from the truth.
if you want to say departing from the truth that will work.

 

[Abiding]

I wont argue with the rest of your dispie/pretrib insertions ill
just leave the one correction read the rest of the text. slow!

 

[Abiding]

2 thess 2 is the best text showing no rapture
the rapture is the second coming 1 cor 15

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Revelation 16:15[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked,and they see his shame.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This one example of what I'm talking about and will get more into. How can He come as thief since once the peace agreement signed between the anti christ and Israel. We know how long it will be till His return. One could simply start counting down.[/FONT]

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Also, where will the Christians come from, that live in the Millennial Reign if the are raptured at the second coming. So we are going leave and immediately return. That Leaves no time for the Marriage supper of the Lamb. Anyway the next part is what I really wanted to get to. But I had to do thi from my Pre trib view. Because that is what I believe.

 

[crossnote]

you messed up 2 Thes 2:3

a falling away is not a rapture. its a mass apostasy from the truth.
if you want to say departing from the truth that will work.

Come on Abiding, let's be honest, it can swing either way...

Scott
G646
ἀποστασία
ἀπο-στᾰσία, ἡ, late form for ἀπόστασις, defection, revolt, v.l. in D.H. 7.1, J. Vit. 10, Plu. Galb. 1; esp. in religious sense, rebellion against God, apostasy, LXX Jo. 22.22, 2 Ep.Th. 2.3 .
2. departure, disappearance, Olymp. in Mete. 320.2 .
3. distinguishing, c. gen., Elias in Cat. 119.7 .
4. distance, Archim. Aren. 1.5 .


Thayers

G646
ἀποστασία
apostasia
Thayer Definition:
1) a falling away, defection, apostasy
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: feminine of the same as G647
Citing in TDNT: 1:513, 88

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Sorry y'all I have got to checkout now. Where I am it's 1:00 am and I got to go to work at 8:00 am. But keep it going. I am eager to see your responses if any. I think my next part will raise a lot more discussion. Thats what sharpen us isn't, believers discussing the Word andmay Godhave His willin this Thread. Amen and Good Night.

 

[Abiding]

Come on Abiding, let's be honest, it can swing either way...

Scott
G646
ἀποστασία
ἀπο-στᾰσία, ἡ, late form for ἀπόστασις, defection, revolt, v.l. in D.H. 7.1, J. Vit. 10, Plu. Galb. 1; esp. in religious sense, rebellion against God, apostasy, LXX Jo. 22.22, 2 Ep.Th. 2.3 .
2. departure, disappearance, Olymp. in Mete. 320.2 .
3. distinguishing, c. gen., Elias in Cat. 119.7 .
4. distance, Archim. Aren. 1.5 .


Thayers

G646
ἀποστασία
apostasia
Thayer Definition:
1) a falling away, defection, apostasy
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: feminine of the same as G647
Citing in TDNT: 1:513, 88

it doesnt make sense to write to them telling them to
not be worried about the second coming the day of the Lord
has come, because first their will be a rapture. Apostasy fits
the context and goes with other scripture. And the rest of the text.

If it was talking about a rapture how would forgetting a rapture
deceive them? Lets say i dont believe in a rapture but think its
the second coming....what day would i be deceived? What year
and what would i be deceived from? would i possibly budget wrong?

The man of sin will be revealed once the church loses its foundation
of truth. And why does he for at least the second time go into the
facts supposedly dealing with details supposedly happening after a rapture?
especially v 13 where he comforts them knowing they have the truth and wont be given
strong delusion. I dont think its either way.

 

[crossnote]

it doesnt make sense to write to them telling them to
not be worried about the second coming the day of the Lord
has come, because first their will be a rapture. Apostasy fits
the context and goes with other scripture. And the rest of the text.

If it was talking about a rapture how would forgetting a rapture
deceive them? Lets say i dont believe in a rapture but think its
the second coming....what day would i be deceived? What year
and what would i be deceived from? would i possibly budget wrong?

The man of sin will be revealed once the church loses its foundation
of truth. And why does he for at least the second time go into the
facts supposedly dealing with details supposedly happening after a rapture?
especially v 13 where he comforts them knowing they have the truth and wont be given
strong delusion. I dont think its either way.

I'm not arguing which one makes sense but only that the Greek allows for either meaning.
What makes cents is the govt. (before inflation it was dollar bills).

 

[wdeaton65]

Can we find the word rapture in the O/T anywhere?

 

[Abiding]

Can we find the word rapture in the O/T anywhere?

Yes 2 lindsey 3

 

[wdeaton65]

I thought so maybe in proverbs 32 no 2nd hezakiah Genesis 51 It has been my understanding if you cant find something perhaps it isnt there just a thought. I do find feast of trumpets like the sound they heard at the mountain Exd 20 HMMMM

 

[Abiding]

I spose your one of these guys

New International Version (©2011)
Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.New Living Translation (©2007)
Indeed, the Sovereign LORD never does anything until he reveals his plans to his servants the prophets.English Standard Version (©2001)
“For the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Surely the Lord GOD does nothing Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Indeed, the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing His counsel to His servants the prophets.International Standard Version (©2012)
"Truly the Lord GOD will do nothing he has mentioned without revealing his purposes to his servants the prophets.NET Bible (©2006)
Certainly the sovereign LORD does nothing without first revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Certainly, the Almighty LORD doesn't do anything unless he [first] reveals his secret to his servants the prophets.King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, unless he reveals his secret unto his servants the prophets.American King James Version
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he reveals his secret to his servants the prophets.


Ha build an entire happening on a word that can go 2 ways

 

[TheStraightener]

It's statements like this, calling the end of the world 'The Next Greatest Thing', that really disturb me

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Wow its amazing how many different views there are. I only have a few minutes. But will take questions as they come. and Straightener You have a special place in my heart. I love you, I love you with all my heart and I'm so sorry of our earlier conflict. I have been scolded by the Holy Spirit for that and will not do it again.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Can we find the word rapture in the O/T anywhere?

No you cannot. It does not mean however, that is not a fact of what will happen. Can you find the specific words of Jesus Christ crucified in the OT. There are many references to it, but not in those words.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Straightener, it is not the end of the world. The bible never talks of the end of the world only ages. We are now in the times of the gentiles which will end at the Rapture or that is to say the church age. more in the next part

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

​Wait,wait for the next part and then, well we will be crying foul or truth. Most of you will call me crazy, Just as they did Noah and Jeremiah and would not believe either one. I pray that God opens the Word to all of you. But, I know that it is not the case, however some will and its that some that I'm talking to. Most of us have been taught from childhood to believe what we do. But, some are like me and saw the error of what was being taught and searched it out for themselves. It is very difficult to persuade someone from what they have been taught from youth. It takes The Holy Spirit to do that. Do not trust in a preacher, do not trust in a denomination Yet trust in the word you know and the truth shall set you free. Not the truth but the truth that you know.