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J
Amen. Jesus is our righteousness, he is our sacrificial lamb. We can't make ourselves righteous.
Guilty, vile, and helpless we;
Spotless Lamb of God was He
“Full atonement!” can it be?
Hallelujah! What a Savior!
You walk into the temple a lepor, proclaiming yourself textbook healthy.
You cannot offer yourself as a sacrifice for your own sins.
You just don't understand how bad we humans are. You have a high view of man, and a low view of God. You need to be no higher than beneath the ground, kill that pride and arrogance.
Guilty, vile, and helpless we;
Spotless Lamb of God was He
“Full atonement!” can it be?
Hallelujah! What a Savior!
You walk into the temple a lepor, proclaiming yourself textbook healthy.
You cannot offer yourself as a sacrifice for your own sins.
You just don't understand how bad we humans are. You have a high view of man, and a low view of God. You need to be no higher than beneath the ground, kill that pride and arrogance.
J
Humans are monsters of iniquity through all their days. Knowing not limits to our sin and wickedness. WE love that which is evil, and seek not to obey the only Holy and Righteous God who will stand over you in judgement, and you will bow that knee. Continue in your disobedience to the Gospel by offering yourself, but just as with Cain you will be banished. There is only one sacrificial lamb, and it ain't you.
J
Our true nature is that of a parasite, sucking the life of others out of them only to fulfill our own sinful desires. WE destroy others through our fornication, we steal the innocence of others through lust, and claim for ourselves that which is not ours. WE are theives, murders, and generally trash. We deserve not an iota of mercy, and deserve all of us to be cast into the deepest darkest pits of hell, and you esteem yourself as being as clean as Christ.
It may appear that humans by their own nature are clean on the outside, but on the inside were are demonstrous. Even the demons obey God, and run into a herd of swine.
It may appear that humans by their own nature are clean on the outside, but on the inside were are demonstrous. Even the demons obey God, and run into a herd of swine.
Actually our righteousness is through abiding in the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Why create fictional strawmen? You know you are lying when you do that for you are misrepresenting the truth.
Rhetoric and monster pictures, that is a unique strategy. I prefer scripture.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Why create fictional strawmen? You know you are lying when you do that for you are misrepresenting the truth.
Rhetoric and monster pictures, that is a unique strategy. I prefer scripture.
Let's look at what Paul wrote...
1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
The same Paul who wrote this...
Act_24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
When Paul said "of whom I am chief" the context is of his FORMER life. Yet you rip a little phrase out of context to argue in favour of ongoing sin.
Peter warned of people like you who try and lead people away with the error of the wicked.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
You expose yourself by claiming that you are wicked which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of a genuine Christian.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
2Co_7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Rom_6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
The same Paul who wrote this...
Act_24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
When Paul said "of whom I am chief" the context is of his FORMER life. Yet you rip a little phrase out of context to argue in favour of ongoing sin.
Peter warned of people like you who try and lead people away with the error of the wicked.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
You expose yourself by claiming that you are wicked which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of a genuine Christian.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
2Co_7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Rom_6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Shy, you cannot lose your salvation, ever. Do not listen to those who think they are maintaining their salvation by works.
'For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,[SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,[SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,[SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Eph. 2:8-9
I was taught this lie for many years in churches where Arminian theology was taught. When I prayed God showed me so many scriptures, which tell us that GOD saves, and we are born again of the Spirit.
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead," 1 Peter 1:3
To be born of God, means you are his child. God does not cast out his children. There is a small point in which we are walking with God and we obey him and try to please him. But not because we FEAR losing our salvation, but because we love Jesus so much. And we are not perfect, so when we do sin, it will cut off our fellowship with God if we do not repent.
"But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13.
God bless you, "He will never leave or forsake you." Hebrews 13:5, Deut. 31:6
'For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,[SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,[SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,[SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Eph. 2:8-9
I was taught this lie for many years in churches where Arminian theology was taught. When I prayed God showed me so many scriptures, which tell us that GOD saves, and we are born again of the Spirit.
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead," 1 Peter 1:3
To be born of God, means you are his child. God does not cast out his children. There is a small point in which we are walking with God and we obey him and try to please him. But not because we FEAR losing our salvation, but because we love Jesus so much. And we are not perfect, so when we do sin, it will cut off our fellowship with God if we do not repent.
"But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13.
God bless you, "He will never leave or forsake you." Hebrews 13:5, Deut. 31:6
J
As has been clearly demonstrated, not everyone in this thread wants to make note of that.
No argueing involved just some who don't want to recognize the truth.
Our nature hasn't. When God saves a man, he changes his heart. The fact that sin exists in a man, does not negate the work of God.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Tract
No argueing involved just some who don't want to recognize the truth.
Our nature hasn't. When God saves a man, he changes his heart. The fact that sin exists in a man, does not negate the work of God.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Tract
J
Nope, not arguing for ongoing sin.
Accuse away at the brethren. I know your kind too well.
This is what it comes down to you. You deny that Christ has done any work whatsoever. The death of Christ on a cross was a pretty little symbol to you. He wrought no effective atonement. Just as with the Muslim, you seek to hide your sin under a rug rather than have it dealt with by a just God.
Yes, we are made righteous by Christ. It is God who brings transformation that frees us from sin. It is because of him, that we obey.
Accuse away at the brethren. I know your kind too well.
This is what it comes down to you. You deny that Christ has done any work whatsoever. The death of Christ on a cross was a pretty little symbol to you. He wrought no effective atonement. Just as with the Muslim, you seek to hide your sin under a rug rather than have it dealt with by a just God.
Yes, we are made righteous by Christ. It is God who brings transformation that frees us from sin. It is because of him, that we obey.
J
This little piggie is signing out, and reading for class.
Having a house of brick, not of straw or stubble makes it impenetrable to your huffing and puffing.
To God and to The Lamb I will sing!
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Having a house of brick, not of straw or stubble makes it impenetrable to your huffing and puffing.
To God and to The Lamb I will sing!
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