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Godly sorrow working repentance unto salvation does not produce drunks on Friday night. Those people were deluding themselves.
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Godly sorrow produces carefulness, a fear of God, a clearing of wrongdoing, indignation over one's sin, a vehement desire and zeal to do what is right, and vindication against all wrong doing.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
Thus the result of a genuine repentance experience is a genuine conversion which is the turning from sin.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted (turning), that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Godly sorrow produces carefulness, a fear of God, a clearing of wrongdoing, indignation over one's sin, a vehement desire and zeal to do what is right, and vindication against all wrong doing.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
Thus the result of a genuine repentance experience is a genuine conversion which is the turning from sin.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted (turning), that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Not really sure how I don't know the Bible, Skinski. Let's see, I've read it from cover to cover over 35 times. Yet you don't truly believe it. I've read the New Testament in Greek. I'm reading the Old Testament in Hebrew. Many who defend sin are scholars in the Greek and Hebrew. What languages you can read is not the issue, it is whether one is Abiding in Christ and thus walking in the Spirit or walking according to the flesh.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
If you want, I could post long passages in context, I do understand the meaning of good hermeneutics. I've been studying the Bible in depth in Seminary for 7 years You have been brainwashed in Seminary, under godly men and women under wolves who appear as sheep who have been international missionaries and brought many to Christ who brought many to a false notion of salvation but yet the following didn't happen...
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
If any of that had of happened then you would not be denying heart purity and defending a life on ongoing wickedness. Nor would you be assuring people salvation no matter what they choose to do. You are a deceiver who is very deceived.
You don't even know what salvation is. To you it is some forensic identity in your imagination which you appear to believe is real, and thus because a "deed" cannot affect your imagination your imaginary concept of salvation cannot be lost.
Thus you IGNORE all the warnings which are found throughout the Bible as not being applicable to you.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
But it seems to me, no matter how much I posted, even the whole Bible, some people have an agenda, and they are not going to listen to the truth. Yes some people actually BELIEVE the WHOLE counsel of God and do not treat the Bible like a menu. Some actually believe this...
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Instead you adhere to an ear tickling message of "don't worry, be happy," "you can sin and not surely die."
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
You told Shy that she shall not surely die.
That is not God speaking, that is Satan.
Paul never mouthed that lie to people, instead he warned them...
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man [or woman] deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
I guess I should not bother with refuting personal attacks from people who use the Bible as club. Contending earnestly for the faith is not using the Bible as a club. You have selectively used the Bible as a deadly poison by assuring they can sin and not surely die.
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Yet you condemn the teaching and preaching of such perfection.
I will pray about forgiving those who do not know what they do. Not speaking about attacks on me, I can take it. Just a bit horrified anyone would do this to a young Christian. That they would try and discourage them from serving God and confusing them about God's love. Preaching heartfelt obedience to God is discouraging someone from serving God? You discourage people from serving God by telling them that they can be in rebellion and be saved at the same time. What do you think is the fruit of that message?
And very sorry my Bible verses somehow did get literally twisted in my first post. Not sure how it happen, but I will promise to re-read before my edit time expires, from now on.
"By grace you are saved through faith, not of works that anyone should boast." Eph. 2:8
Grace, grace, grace. Trying to make it simpler, rather than more complex! You believe in a licentiuous grace.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
You deny also deny the teachings of God and Jesus Christ.
Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
The fruit of your doctrine is ongoing sinfulness as opposed to heart purity. Thus those who fall for the lure of your doctrine continue to WORK INIQUITY as opposed to being a slave of righteousness via abiding in Jesus Christ.
MANY are deceived by your doctrine.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Not all of us are deceived however. Some of us...
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
and thus...
2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
If you want, I could post long passages in context, I do understand the meaning of good hermeneutics. I've been studying the Bible in depth in Seminary for 7 years You have been brainwashed in Seminary, under godly men and women under wolves who appear as sheep who have been international missionaries and brought many to Christ who brought many to a false notion of salvation but yet the following didn't happen...
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
If any of that had of happened then you would not be denying heart purity and defending a life on ongoing wickedness. Nor would you be assuring people salvation no matter what they choose to do. You are a deceiver who is very deceived.
You don't even know what salvation is. To you it is some forensic identity in your imagination which you appear to believe is real, and thus because a "deed" cannot affect your imagination your imaginary concept of salvation cannot be lost.
Thus you IGNORE all the warnings which are found throughout the Bible as not being applicable to you.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
But it seems to me, no matter how much I posted, even the whole Bible, some people have an agenda, and they are not going to listen to the truth. Yes some people actually BELIEVE the WHOLE counsel of God and do not treat the Bible like a menu. Some actually believe this...
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Instead you adhere to an ear tickling message of "don't worry, be happy," "you can sin and not surely die."
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
You told Shy that she shall not surely die.
That is not God speaking, that is Satan.
Paul never mouthed that lie to people, instead he warned them...
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man [or woman] deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
I guess I should not bother with refuting personal attacks from people who use the Bible as club. Contending earnestly for the faith is not using the Bible as a club. You have selectively used the Bible as a deadly poison by assuring they can sin and not surely die.
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Yet you condemn the teaching and preaching of such perfection.
I will pray about forgiving those who do not know what they do. Not speaking about attacks on me, I can take it. Just a bit horrified anyone would do this to a young Christian. That they would try and discourage them from serving God and confusing them about God's love. Preaching heartfelt obedience to God is discouraging someone from serving God? You discourage people from serving God by telling them that they can be in rebellion and be saved at the same time. What do you think is the fruit of that message?
And very sorry my Bible verses somehow did get literally twisted in my first post. Not sure how it happen, but I will promise to re-read before my edit time expires, from now on.
"By grace you are saved through faith, not of works that anyone should boast." Eph. 2:8
Grace, grace, grace. Trying to make it simpler, rather than more complex! You believe in a licentiuous grace.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
You deny also deny the teachings of God and Jesus Christ.
Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
The fruit of your doctrine is ongoing sinfulness as opposed to heart purity. Thus those who fall for the lure of your doctrine continue to WORK INIQUITY as opposed to being a slave of righteousness via abiding in Jesus Christ.
MANY are deceived by your doctrine.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Not all of us are deceived however. Some of us...
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
and thus...
2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
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Sins are forgiven at the refreshing.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Sins are forgiven at the quickening...
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Sins are forgiven AFTER repentance.
Luk 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
God did not forgive you before you were born, that is deception. God reconciled the world to Himself through the death of Christ but WE still have to be reconciled to God through repentance and faith.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
It is not automatic like many of the false teachers will tell you.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Sins are forgiven at the quickening...
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Sins are forgiven AFTER repentance.
Luk 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
God did not forgive you before you were born, that is deception. God reconciled the world to Himself through the death of Christ but WE still have to be reconciled to God through repentance and faith.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
It is not automatic like many of the false teachers will tell you.
You can indeed be lost from a state of salvation.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
The sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent cycle is evidence of never being truly saved in the first place for such a thing is impossible. Godly sorrow is not something one can find over and over and over and over again. If a person willfully rebels from a position of having been cleansed and is thus abiding in the light it is extremely dangerous due to the inward defilement it produces is far worse than that of a sinner who has never repented in the first place.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
The sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent cycle is evidence of never being truly saved in the first place for such a thing is impossible. Godly sorrow is not something one can find over and over and over and over again. If a person willfully rebels from a position of having been cleansed and is thus abiding in the light it is extremely dangerous due to the inward defilement it produces is far worse than that of a sinner who has never repented in the first place.
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Ummm No.
If one wants forgiveness they must ask for it.
If one wants salvation they must accept it as offered under God's guidelines ...not expect these things as if we're entitled no matter what like a spoiled child who wants their candy even when they misbehave.
God doesn't bless for transgression or mockery against him.
We are not first born unto the Heavenly father with divine knowledge as Christ was, we are Born AGAIN unto the heavenly father THROUGH Christ and therefore are not saved and forgiven upon birth nor forgiven of sins we haven't even committed yet until we choose to believe in and follow Christ as our Lord
We must make the CONSCIOUS choice to choose Christ and turn from our old ways.
Jesus said if they turned I would heal them
Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
2 Chron 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land
Notice these are conditions to be met.
Conditions Christ placed
I've notice people spout this unconditional love thing as if that means they're saved, but that's the fluffy bunny Jesus they cling to in order to escape anyyyyy sort of responsibility or humble moves to admit or confess anything.
Someday the fluffy bunny will come, and all will be well....
All I cant be reminded of is "errrr tell me about the rabbits again George" right before his demise
In other words, tell me everything is gonna be ok, tell me all is well, tell me I have nothing to fear.
No, that isn't truth.
We are to fear the Lord, fear the one who has the power to judge and cast our soul into hell
But if one is in Christ, walks in his ways, is in the spirit then yes, there is not fear in Christ.
Im not pickin at you my friend, but many need to be able to realize that while God may love us unconditionally, he also lets the sun rise and set upon the wicked, he also watches over them.
They may not be saved yet but he still has love even for the LOST souls.
There are conditions Christ placed upon us as his followers.
Yes he did say that once we honestly have accepted and belief in him then nothing can pluck one from his hand.
But that doesnt mean one can't make the choice to jump out of his hand on their own neither.
Some don't see that aspect not realizing that there are those whose names will also be removed from the book of life.
Notice how he many times said..IF you do this
THEN I will...(xyz in return)
These are conscious choices and decisions Christ places upon us because he wants us to choose him over ourselves or the world at any given time.
These are choices which make us more humble, less self-seeking and more able to love our neighbor.
Actually thinking one is saved and forgiven without asking for it or doing anything to me is somewhat selfish also.
Christ said
IF...you love me
YOU WILL...obey my commands.
Kind of shows us right there Faith without works is dead
God bless ...the more his word is read, the more one may know him
Its like....you cant get to be friends and get to know a person by simply hearing about him through others
You actually have to spend time with him one on one, do things together, spend time, talk, know what I mean.
I have never claimed that.
Salvation is the state of abiding in Christ, walking in the Spirit, having escaped the corruption in the world through lust via a genuine repentance experience where the old man was crucified with the associated passions and desires, and then having been raised up by the power of God (whereby we then abide in Christ). Thus when we are truly saved we are not in rebellion to God but are yielded to God from the heart.
If one chooses to rebel they are simply no longer in this state of abiding in Christ. They have defiled their conscience once again and it is a very dangerous thing to do because the act of rebellion occurred from a position of full knowledge.
I am not saying there is no hope for such a person. I am saying that finding the godly sorrow that works a genuine repentance unto salvation is not guaranteed thus sin is not to be taken lightly. It is a serious thing to treat the blood with contempt.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hebrews 10:26-31 is no idle warning. The willful sin it is speaking of there is in the context of having been cleansed...
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Due to the false message being preached today many pass over these warnings for they do not fit into the modern message, hence they are explained away with unsound and contradictory reasoning.
Salvation is the state of abiding in Christ, walking in the Spirit, having escaped the corruption in the world through lust via a genuine repentance experience where the old man was crucified with the associated passions and desires, and then having been raised up by the power of God (whereby we then abide in Christ). Thus when we are truly saved we are not in rebellion to God but are yielded to God from the heart.
If one chooses to rebel they are simply no longer in this state of abiding in Christ. They have defiled their conscience once again and it is a very dangerous thing to do because the act of rebellion occurred from a position of full knowledge.
I am not saying there is no hope for such a person. I am saying that finding the godly sorrow that works a genuine repentance unto salvation is not guaranteed thus sin is not to be taken lightly. It is a serious thing to treat the blood with contempt.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hebrews 10:26-31 is no idle warning. The willful sin it is speaking of there is in the context of having been cleansed...
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Due to the false message being preached today many pass over these warnings for they do not fit into the modern message, hence they are explained away with unsound and contradictory reasoning.
Now if this is not a load of blabber...
How can a person that is sealed IN GOD and IN HIM IS NO SIN, still sin? That means God is a liar, there are still sin in Him. Nope this is the Bible verse that sets sinners and God's sealed ones APART!....
Please note that the ones BORN OF GOD are UNTOUCHABLE BY EVIL, ANY EVIL... even sin....
1 JOHN 5:18 and 19.... Please see how WELL GOD SEAL AND SANCTIFY AND GLORIFY...We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
It does not matter what we THINK we are, what God says we are we are. If we are sinners, we need to go to God for salvation, but only is we want? Or is it a demand, and we HAVE TO obey? Now if we do go to God to be saved, does he save completely or only partially. If it is completely, it is unto holiness and sinlessness... If it is partly, what is the use? Adam only sinned ONCE and he was kicked out. JEsus NEVER sinned, and if that is the LIKENESS we should be, it is sinless!
Did God not say the NEW creature is EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW? The OLD has passed... but what if there is still OLD present.. AM I NEW THEN? NO! I am decieved and still in need of God!...
I see the ones of BORN OF GOD ... needs/wants and desire NOTHING.. they are Truly mature and filled... Many places in the Bible teaches of this PERFECT CHURCH God maintains HIMSELF. That is the BRIDE God is returning for... AN HOLY PERFECT AND SINLESS BRIDE... Prepared for HIMSELF, by HIMSELF.
LITTLE CHILDREN LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU... HE THAT DOTH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS AS GOD IS RIGHTEOUSS...
How can a person that is sealed IN GOD and IN HIM IS NO SIN, still sin? That means God is a liar, there are still sin in Him. Nope this is the Bible verse that sets sinners and God's sealed ones APART!....
Please note that the ones BORN OF GOD are UNTOUCHABLE BY EVIL, ANY EVIL... even sin....
1 JOHN 5:18 and 19.... Please see how WELL GOD SEAL AND SANCTIFY AND GLORIFY...We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
It does not matter what we THINK we are, what God says we are we are. If we are sinners, we need to go to God for salvation, but only is we want? Or is it a demand, and we HAVE TO obey? Now if we do go to God to be saved, does he save completely or only partially. If it is completely, it is unto holiness and sinlessness... If it is partly, what is the use? Adam only sinned ONCE and he was kicked out. JEsus NEVER sinned, and if that is the LIKENESS we should be, it is sinless!
Did God not say the NEW creature is EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW? The OLD has passed... but what if there is still OLD present.. AM I NEW THEN? NO! I am decieved and still in need of God!...
I see the ones of BORN OF GOD ... needs/wants and desire NOTHING.. they are Truly mature and filled... Many places in the Bible teaches of this PERFECT CHURCH God maintains HIMSELF. That is the BRIDE God is returning for... AN HOLY PERFECT AND SINLESS BRIDE... Prepared for HIMSELF, by HIMSELF.
LITTLE CHILDREN LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU... HE THAT DOTH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS AS GOD IS RIGHTEOUSS...
Romans 6:1-14
6*What should we say then? Should we continue in sin so that grace may multiply? 2*Absolutely not! How can we who died to sin still live in it? [/B]3*Or are you unaware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4*Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too may walk in a new way[a] of life. 5*For if we have been joined with Him in the likeness of His death (WHO HERE WILL LIVE FOREVER), we will certainly also be in the likeness of His resurrection. 6*For we know (WE KNOW OUR TIME IS SHORT) that our old self[c] was crucified with Him in order that sin’s dominion over the body[d] may be abolished, so that we may no longer be enslaved to sin, 7*since a person who has died is freed[e] from sin’s claims.[f] 8*Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him, 9*because we know that Christ, having been raised from the dead, will not die again. Death no longer rules over Him. 10*For in light of the fact that He died, He died to sin once for all; but in light of the fact that He lives, He lives to God. 11*So, you too consider yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.[g]
12*Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, so that you obey[h] its desires. 13*And do not offer any parts of it to sin as weapons for unrighteousness. But as those who are alive from the dead, offer yourselves to God, and all the parts[j] of yourselves to God as weapons for righteousness. 14*For sin will not rule over you, because you are not under law but under grace.
Despite being in grace, we as a whole have continued in sin. 6 homes for every homeless person TO CHOOSE FROM! We live in an age where despite our trespasses, divisions, wars and lack of love for one another, God's grace IS CLEARLY VISIBLE IN THE THINGS WE SEE.
Well I see that mankind can COMFORTABLY house clothe and feed every person on the planet! We talk about Christ all day long. Let is love one another in making ALL THINGS COMMON!
Remember no matter what you believe, WE ALL LOOK THE SAME DEAD!
Please wake up Israel!
M
The only way they are taken away is if we make ourselves a slave to him as opposed to a slave to the flesh.
Thats how he takes away our sin, for if we know him, then we know his will at all times
that is how one no longer sins
But when he said, I came not to abolish the law but to fulfill the law.
Jesus fulfills the law if ever we fall short of doing so, but we still are expected to follow it
Thats how he takes away our sin, for if we know him, then we know his will at all times
that is how one no longer sins
But when he said, I came not to abolish the law but to fulfill the law.
Jesus fulfills the law if ever we fall short of doing so, but we still are expected to follow it
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[h=3]Romans 7:14-25[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)
[h=3]Struggling with Sin[/h][SUP]14 [/SUP]So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. [SUP]17 [/SUP]So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[SUP][a][/SUP] I want to do what is right, but I can’t. [SUP]19 [/SUP]I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. [SUP]22 [/SUP]I love God’s law with all my heart. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But there is another power[SUP][b][/SUP] within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.
I guess then, according to this, Paul who God entrusted to teach, preach and write this passage and much of the New Testament shows here that he even had problems and issues with sinning after giving his life to Christ, yet he knew it was not within his own power to keep himself worthy, but only for Christ who could do so!
Paul goes on to say in Romans 8:1-2
New Living Translation (NLT)
[h=3]Life in the Spirit[/h]8 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And because you belong to him, the power[SUP][a][/SUP] of the life-giving Spirit has freed you[SUP][b][/SUP] from the power of sin that leads to death.
Then he reassures us all in Romans 8:38-39
[h=3]Romans 8:38-39[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[SUP][a][/SUP] neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. [SUP]39 [/SUP]No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I love this as it tell us how much God loves us! It proves to me that God will never leave me nor forsake me as he has stated and that i am secured in His Word!
I am so glad that we can look to our Father in heaven as a perfect Father more than our earthly fathers. For even our with our earthly fathers, when we do something wrong, we are not booted out of the family, or loose our birthright? We might get a punishment or chastised as rightly so, but when my child does something wrong, i don't send him a letter of divorce or say to him, you are not my child any more! Will God in heaven treat us less than our earthly fathers do? I think not?
For having our names written in the lambs book of heaven or having Salvation is a bit different from that of just sinning there after... When we give our lives to the Lord, its an acceptance into His Family and a becoming that New Creature that He make us to be..
The sin we might do after is not something we want to do, and in fact, we will not want to sin, but when we do, we need to repent and ask for forgiveness as soon as we can. God sees our hearts and our motives. The key is our faith and why we are there if we are sincere..
Trust in the Holy Spirit to guide you and He will take you where you should be...
The problem is, many people try to take over his job trying to be a small holy spirit using judgement and condemnation without walking in love letting pride get in the way...
I will pray for you who are new in the Lord, as well as those who are not... I think this all shows me that we are farther away from God than many of us think and that is why we are still here and not yet in heaven, as we have lots of growing up left to do... Blessings
[h=3]Struggling with Sin[/h][SUP]14 [/SUP]So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. [SUP]17 [/SUP]So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[SUP][a][/SUP] I want to do what is right, but I can’t. [SUP]19 [/SUP]I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. [SUP]22 [/SUP]I love God’s law with all my heart. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But there is another power[SUP][b][/SUP] within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.
I guess then, according to this, Paul who God entrusted to teach, preach and write this passage and much of the New Testament shows here that he even had problems and issues with sinning after giving his life to Christ, yet he knew it was not within his own power to keep himself worthy, but only for Christ who could do so!
Paul goes on to say in Romans 8:1-2
New Living Translation (NLT)
[h=3]Life in the Spirit[/h]8 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And because you belong to him, the power[SUP][a][/SUP] of the life-giving Spirit has freed you[SUP][b][/SUP] from the power of sin that leads to death.
Then he reassures us all in Romans 8:38-39
[h=3]Romans 8:38-39[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[SUP][a][/SUP] neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. [SUP]39 [/SUP]No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I love this as it tell us how much God loves us! It proves to me that God will never leave me nor forsake me as he has stated and that i am secured in His Word!
I am so glad that we can look to our Father in heaven as a perfect Father more than our earthly fathers. For even our with our earthly fathers, when we do something wrong, we are not booted out of the family, or loose our birthright? We might get a punishment or chastised as rightly so, but when my child does something wrong, i don't send him a letter of divorce or say to him, you are not my child any more! Will God in heaven treat us less than our earthly fathers do? I think not?
For having our names written in the lambs book of heaven or having Salvation is a bit different from that of just sinning there after... When we give our lives to the Lord, its an acceptance into His Family and a becoming that New Creature that He make us to be..
The sin we might do after is not something we want to do, and in fact, we will not want to sin, but when we do, we need to repent and ask for forgiveness as soon as we can. God sees our hearts and our motives. The key is our faith and why we are there if we are sincere..
Trust in the Holy Spirit to guide you and He will take you where you should be...
The problem is, many people try to take over his job trying to be a small holy spirit using judgement and condemnation without walking in love letting pride get in the way...
I will pray for you who are new in the Lord, as well as those who are not... I think this all shows me that we are farther away from God than many of us think and that is why we are still here and not yet in heaven, as we have lots of growing up left to do... Blessings