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nonplasticcholyman

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After many years of being in different denominations - church of the Nazarene,Scientology,the Anglican church,church of Christ NZ,dabbling in the 7th day Adventist because I really like a girl, and Bible Prophecy | Online Bible Studies | Videos | WorldsLastChance.com and a couple of others,I accidently stumbled across the Aramaic scriptures as translated by Lamsa,Younaan,until I found Victor Alexander,
and have really found it awesome!

And extraordinarily different to the doctrines I had been taught in the organized religions.

Supposedly in the language originally spoken and written by Eoshoa (Jesus) the disciples,and apostles and given to the original first church of the east,over 2000 years ago. It was hidden for 2000 years by the priests, as they were invaded attacked and killed by the Roman Catholic church.So the original Aramaic scriptures were kept safe and uncorrupted, unedited,unchanged for over 2000 years! This must have been God's plan to keep one version uncorrupted,unchanged as he knew only too well men would mess with it!

This was supposedly,given to the original Apostolic Orthodox Catholic church in/of the east.Vastly superior to the Roman Catholic church, as was created by St.Thomas and ST. Jude after the resurrection and the ascension of Mar'Yah mesheeka (Our Lord). see it at Ancient Aramaic Bible Translation Project.! See the church and its origins and history atWorship in the Eastern Catholic Church

I'm here, to teach that truth to any one who is thirsty for that truth! And I'm not just another person promising the real truth who isn't delivering it! Especially in the Auckland central area of New Zealand!
 
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nonplasticcholyman said:
After many years of being in different denominations - church of the Nazarene,Scientology,the Anglican church,church of Christ NZ,dabbling in the 7th day Adventist because I really like a girl, and Bible Prophecy | Online Bible Studies | Videos | WorldsLastChance.com and a couple of others,I accidently stumbled across the Aramaic scriptures as translated by Lamsa,Younaan,until I found Victor Alexander,
and have really found it awesome!

And extraordinarily different to the doctrines I had been taught in the organized religions.

Supposedly in the language originally spoken and written by Eoshoa (Jesus) the disciples,and apostles and given to the original first church of the east,over 2000 years ago. It was hidden for 2000 years by the priests, as they were invaded attacked and killed by the Roman Catholic church.So the original Aramaic scriptures were kept safe and uncorrupted, unedited,unchanged for over 2000 years! This must have been God's plan to keep one version uncorrupted,unchanged as he knew only too well men would mess with it!

This was supposedly,given to the original Apostolic Orthodox Catholic church in/of the east.Vastly superior to the Roman Catholic church, as was created by St.Thomas and ST. Jude after the resurrection and the ascension of Mar'Yah mesheeka (Our Lord). see it at Ancient Aramaic Bible Translation Project.! See the church and its origins and history atWorship in the Eastern Catholic Church

I'm here, to teach that truth to any one who is thirsty for that truth! And I'm not just another person promising the real truth who isn't delivering it! Especially in the Auckland central area of New Zealand!
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I see your trek through the cults still has not ended.
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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It's not a cult guy. Go check out the site for yourself. Ancient Aramaic Bible Translation Project..
And the link of the apostolic orthodox catholic church of the east. :)

Here's an excerpt - When the Roman Church established its authority in the West, it abandoned the Eastern Scriptures that were recorded by the Apostles in the Ancient Aramaic language. From the start, when the Roman Emperor Constantine ordered the expulsion of the Ancient Church of the East from Asia Minor, the Western Scriptures were wrongfully drawn from the Greek Septuagint Old Testament and the Greek Original translations of the New Testament. This is how the Western churches abandoned the Apostolic Faith. Only the Eastern Churches and the Orthodox Churches retained some of the original Apostolic doctrines.
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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Guy; Why would I escape the cults,by joining another one - that controls by force trickery etc?? Take a minute to think about it...are you free truly free? How can you be truly free if your in an organized religion that dictates you believe what they push even if it's proven contradictory,or admitted to be by their top evangelists? go check out Bertman.
"Know the (REAL) truth and (that REAL) will set you free!" Does God not say, pray like this fall on your face prostrate yourself to me submit your all to me etc...? I found the modern bibles suggest you do all this, but don't go deep and tell you "How". The closest to telling you how,showing you how,is Islam but I'm not a Muslim,I am into the Aramaic.The Assyrian Church of the East not the Syriac.
 
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nonplasticcholyman said:
Guy; Why would I escape the cults,by joining another one - that controls by force trickery etc?? Take a minute to think about it...are you free truly free? How can you be truly free if your in an organized religion that dictates you believe what they push even if it's proven contradictory,or admitted to be by their top evangelists? go check out Bertman.
"Know the (REAL) truth and (that REAL) will set you free!" Does God not say, pray like this fall on your face prostrate yourself to me submit your all to me etc...? I found the modern bibles suggest you do all this, but don't go deep and tell you "How". The closest to telling you how,showing you how,is Islam but I'm not a Muslim,I am into the Aramaic.The Assyrian Church of the East not the Syriac.
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Nestorianism? <><
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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(Gal 2:19-20) from the original Aramaic scriptures: "I, however,allowed the Law to expire according to the Law,* so that I may live according to God.
*2:19 Lit. Ar. idiomatic construction: "For I by the Law to the Law deadened." Here Paul explains another transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. The original,unedited,unchanged,uncorrupted scripture as written in Aramaic by ST Paul..Not from the greek Septuagint or Masoretic.The near exact to the Ancient Aramaic was the Koine Greek.

20. "And I was crucified with Christ, and henceforth it is not I who lives, except it is Christ who lives through me. And this [life] that I now live in the flesh, I live it through the faith in that Son of God, He who loved me and gave himself on my behalf.
21. "I cannot spurn the grace of God. For if sanctification is through the Law, Christ died in vain."
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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go check out the site guy @ http://v-a.com,
 email Victor from there and ask him. As far as I read,it was wrongly called the Nestorian because one priest went to the RCC side or helped translate or something I can't remember,so they said all wrongly the Aramaic was Nestorian.
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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I found,through prayer for revealings via the Holy spirit,about spiritual cleansing via 24 hour water only fasting and prayer,with charity.It's useless to GOD without charity.But helps me get back into that spiritual focus,and zone,mindset.Maybe the verse is in ecclesiastes,or proverbs,can't remember, but it's there. Fasting is not all about losing weight for me now,it's about spiritual cleansing and right mindset stuff for me.:D
 
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nonplasticcholyman said:
go check out the site guy @ http://v-a.com,
 email Victor from there and ask him. As far as I read,it was wrongly called the Nestorian because one priest went to the RCC side or helped translate or something I can't remember,so they said all wrongly the Aramaic was Nestorian.
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Theologically, the church is associated with the doctrine ofNestorianism, leading to the church also being known as the "Nestorian Church", though church leadership has at times rejected the Nestorian label. The church employs the Syriac dialect of the Aramaic language in its liturgy, the East Syrian Rite, which includes three anaphoras, attributed to Saints Addai and Mari,Theodore of Mopsuestia and Nestorius.[SUP][6]

Thank you...but I'll pass....I believe in what I believe. I have had a quick look around the internet...and it's not for me :) I think I have all I need in the Holy Bible and the sure knowledge all is accomplished by Christ on the cross. I do not need to read aramaic...My God is available to all, those who cannot read, write or even hear...He is available and accessible. I do not think it's hard to 'find' Him, or that His truth has just been discovered. Its been available to us, as he taught, simply to all who repent & accept His Son. I think its always wise to keep it simple. Just as God did. God Bless you. <><[/SUP]
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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okay That's your feeling. but read the real truth art Ancient Aramaic Bible Translation Project., research study it find if it's error, as I did, then you'll see.your modern versions , from the Septuagint etc are not the real words that Yeshua or Jesus said,etc etc. And it's been translated into English so you don't need to know Aramaic!

When the Roman Church established its authority in the West, it abandoned the Eastern Scriptures that were recorded by the Apostles in the Ancient Aramaic language. From the start, when the Roman Emperor Constantine ordered the expulsion of the Ancient Church of the East from Asia Minor, the Western Scriptures were wrongfully drawn from the Greek Septuagint Old Testament and the Greek Original translations of the New Testament. This is how the Western churches abandoned the Apostolic Faith. Only the Eastern Churches and the Orthodox Churches retained some of the original Apostolic doctrines.

It is necessary to call it Ancient, otherwise everyone can deny that the Scriptures were originated in this language, the language that the Creator of the Universe and His Son spoke. This is the language of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and David. It has gone through thousands of years of evolution. The Ancient Aramaic language of the Scriptures is no longer a spoken language, and the last time it was used as a literary language was in 1300 AD.

Today, the Ancient Aramaic remains only as a Liturgical Language. There are a number of Eastern Churches that still use this language in their liturgy. In order for the people of the world to start learning about the Scriptures' truth, everyone must come to understand that the Bibles being disseminated today are mostly translated from the English language versions or they are conformed to the Protestant and Catholic Bibles from various languages.

I can't convince you or anyone of the real even if people like err... Joseph Prince come out and yell "hey that is wrong it should be in Aramaic or Hebrew as...."in truth, yourself and many others have been "brainwashed" with the bogus versions,by the prosperity churches,after your hard earned dollars. Plus men never want to change,they can't even if Jesus himself came down and said here is the truth,in the Aramaic scriptures".

"The WHOLE world has been deceived".Biblically,spiritually,by these free-masonic affiliates,posing as evangelists,men of God.

I know because I once was where you are now until after years of praying for the truth via the Holy spirit, I received it.

Alaha bless and keep you. Shalom. "You'll know them by their fruits." "And by what comes out of their mouths."
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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I've been up against 7th Dayers,Korean cult churches,protestants,Catholics,you name it,and always wondered,why they were so false,"plastic".

And through the spirit I woke up and realized why.I was plastic too, but am damn sure I'm going to,well have found that truth which is more than 3000 years older than anything today.And has proven itself as it fills in many of the gaps - like did Cain marry and have sex with his sister? No!
The other people in the land of NOD? who were they? the Nephillim or Satan and the fallen angels? No. Or aliens? NO!

According to scientific discoveries,proofs,facts ADAM and eve were NOT the first created! *Genesis 1:28 Lit. Ar. id.: God created the aboriginal man first.Not the Australian abbo, but the neanderthal man.The Aramaic speaking translator discovered this went he translated it! It was/is there!

The Christ saw Satan fall from the heavens to earth,and they were chained in the pit!" Hades - he went there and took the righteous stuck there, he freed them and took them into Paradise with him! Check Howard Pittman's N.D.E. experience which details this,by what he claimed to have seen! Or got to project Guternberg and read the forbidden book of Nicodemus,Pilate etc to details of this.
I put my trust in this Aramaic speaker,I pray reverently,often that he is indeed telling the truth, via the Holy spirit's revealing it me.If I find he tells me 1 lie, he's history!

"Unlike evolution, science and religion ( the Aramaic scriptures) don't contradict each other!"
 
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Before I read all this did you become islam or muslim nonplasticcholyman just asking you would save me a whole lot of research thanks
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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you'd need to go email the translator at his site from his site as I can't find the statement of what he said exactly about the error of thinking that the original Aramaic Church of the East was or became Nestorian. email him @ the v-a.com page and ask him yourself.
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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No I am not Muslim nor ever been.Even though I have had friends who are,and often thought, well it's pretty close to what's been said to do in my bible,worship wise,prostrating wise,character wise..But was put off by Islam due to a BBC Doco I saw and the English converts attitude when the real Iraqi ones came over... "Islam, we will take over the world,and force all to Islam by force if we need to,and we'll use guns in order to do it!" because I felt there's no Holy spirit or lack of it's presence or real love there. As I have felt, over time from Yah,Alaha through the Holy spirit. I am into the apostolic orthodox church of the east but I don't have that church near me here.Was thinking of checking out a local orthodox church,outside of Russia! Do I get a mushroom hat??? hah aha ah!
I admire egyptian muslims, saudis for their dedication,total focus on ALLAH where as the iraqi iran ones I had at my house as Home stays were the opposite and sneaky!
 
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nonplasticcholyman said:
I've been up against 7th Dayers,Korean cult churches,protestants,Catholics,you name it,and always wondered,why they were so false,"plastic".

And through the spirit I woke up and realized why.I was plastic too, but am damn sure I'm going to,well have found that truth which is more than 3000 years older than anything today.And has proven itself as it fills in many of the gaps - like did Cain marry and have sex with his sister? No!
The other people in the land of NOD? who were they? the Nephillim or Satan and the fallen angels? No. Or aliens? NO!

According to scientific discoveries,proofs,facts ADAM and eve were NOT the first created! *Genesis 1:28 Lit. Ar. id.: God created the aboriginal man first.Not the Australian abbo, but the neanderthal man.The Aramaic speaking translator discovered this went he translated it! It was/is there!

The Christ saw Satan fall from the heavens to earth,and they were chained in the pit!" Hades - he went there and took the righteous stuck there, he freed them and took them into Paradise with him! Check Howard Pittman's N.D.E. experience which details this,by what he claimed to have seen! Or got to project Guternberg and read the forbidden book of Nicodemus,Pilate etc to details of this.
I put my trust in this Aramaic speaker,I pray reverently,often that he is indeed telling the truth, via the Holy spirit's revealing it me.If I find he tells me 1 lie, he's history!

"Unlike evolution, science and religion ( the Aramaic scriptures) don't contradict each other!"
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wow!!!! cain did what? adam and eve were not first. Thanks you just saved me countless reading and listening to yet another false teacher.
 
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nonplasticcholyman said:
I put my trust in this Aramaic speaker,I pray reverently,often that he is indeed telling the truth, via the Holy spirit's revealing it me.If I find he tells me 1 lie, he's history!
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what happened to putting your faith in JESUS Christ?

why don't you learn all that he is teaching before spreading his "message"?

One lie?

that's easy, you just posted it:

According to scientific discoveries,proofs,facts ADAM and eve were NOT the first created! *Genesis 1:28 Lit. Ar. id.: God created the aboriginal man first.Not the Australian abbo, but the neanderthal man.The Aramaic speaking translator discovered this went he translated it! It was/is there!
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He's lying.

why do you quote Genesis 1:28?

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”


Just use basic logic... JESUS was descended from ADAM. Other scriptures tell us that ADAM is the First man.

If you want to jump feet first into another cult, its your choice but I do wonder the appeal they have for you.
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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well that's up to you to believe. But if you look real close at the verse,in the modern bibles,and in the aramaic as well, it says "If they (people in the other land) find me,they will kill me!"Cain went INTO the land of NOD, (then) found a wife,then he knew her,had intercourse with her. He first went into the Land of NOD, or "wandering", or "fugitive" in the Aramaic,then he found his wife!

16. And Cain left the presence of the Lord and settled in the land of the nomads, east of Eden.How could there be Nomads - wanderers - if there was only Adam,eve,Cain,Abel before Cain murdered him??
17. And Cain took a wife - he didn't take her from Eden! - and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch, and [Cain] started a village and called it after his son Enoch.Ask yourself,did Cain really have incest with his own sister??? Does the bible out rightly state that he did indeed??

And there are 2 DIFFERENT accounts of the creation of men - one in the image,the 2nd from the dust,clay,red clay - Islam -the blood clot.The friends of Jesus society claim in their "Q",there are letters in the margins of ancient scriptures found like D E P M Q etc.Proof that several scribes wrote different versions.Different accounts.

And hello, if science is to be believed when they say they found Neanderthal man's bones,odd elongated heads and visually produce ancient bones you can see are indeed real,feel real look real,smell real,etc etc all over the middle east and world,proof of a pre-man or neanderthals,not a Darwin tadpole or ape or anoemeba(?) Or they not then either; telling the truth until you or someone else proves they were fake plaster casts??

And the translator of the Aramaic stated, he was shocked to find Genesis a mish mash,and that it contained the hint of neanderthal man.Pre-man BEFORE adam ...

And ...Adam and eve had more sex and popped out more kids...Sons and daughters...SETH..? after...Cain killed Abel.
 
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nonplasticcholyman

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And Adam didn't live and die at 930 years of age...that was his lineage...how long it lasted...then goes on to talk about Seth's that it began and so on and so on.

4. And Adam's line,after the birth of Seth, lived eight hundred years and to him were born many sons and daughters.
5. And so Adam's entire line was nine hundred and thirty years altogether, and then it ended.*

*5:5 Lit. Ar. id.: "It died out."
 
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what proof do you have that Cain had sex with an Neanderthal or that he did NOT take his wife with him instead of finding one in Nod?

Of course he didn't take her from Eden, since Cain was never in Eden to begin with.

Genesis 4
[h=3][/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.
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don't trust your "aramaic" scholar. sounds like he is depending upon someone else to translate for him as well, if you actually read his website.
 
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