Is there a change in the direction of Christianity today?

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So have you decided "to go back and obey the law of the Torah" is not the law of Jesus Christ? Jesus kept the Torah perfectly....not so that we don't have to....but as our perfect example. He railed against the "man-made traditions" that was making the law of no effect. The laws and ordinances of Temple sacrifice ended with His death and resurrection, but did God change? Did Christ change? And why does the Millenium Temple (Ezekiel 40-48) have sacrifices?

What is the law of Jesus Christ? To abolish or fulfill? That He showed us the intent of our hearts is evil? That our sins are forgiven and then what....keep on in "LAWLESSNESS"? God forbid! We obey because we want to live RIGHTEOUSLY. This is the fruit we shall be known by.

There is nothing greater than our Lord and Savior. We cannot do the work He did on the cross which was to abolish the curse of the law, not to abolish the law (Torah). We have the Holy Spirit living and guiding us. This is why I asked the question "Is there a change in Christianity today?" Is God bringing the lawlessness to our attention/awareness and bringing us to His Roots in these Last Days? Is the time that judgment begin with the house of God now?

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Torah means 1)Direction, 2)Instruction and 3)Law. Without DIRECTION, I am lost. Without INSTRUCTION, I am uneducated. Without LAW, I am Lawless.

When I was in mainstream traditional christianity church, and taught that all of the law of Torah is nailed to the cross, I lived a life of Lawlessness. After all, wasn't obedience the same as LEGALISM? As a child of God through the grace of Jesus Christ, I am no longer living a life of illegitimacy. Do I believe that the Sabbath should be a day of rest? I do and I also practice this eternal commandment. God said He does not change. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. All of the Bible is His Truths. To pick and choose was just chaos before. Does this make sense? I am on a path in this life. God tells us that His Word (not just NT) is a lamp for my foot and light on my path. Need I emphasize the importance of ALL of the Word anymore? I think a child "gets it". It really doesn't have to be so hard...except that the Word does say that Satan deceives the whole world...and that means me too. I have not arrived to perfection in my understanding....but I keep the Word before me....testing everything to see if it lines us with all of the Bible. I am open to His Truths but no longer open to half truths, which are just lies anyway.

Jer 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Gal 6:1 Brothers, suppose someone is caught doing something wrong. You who have the Spirit should set him right, but in a spirit of humility, keeping an eye on yourselves so that you won't be tempted too.
Gal 6:2 Bear one another's burdens — in this way you will be fulfilling the Torah's true meaning, which the Messiah upholds.
Gal 6:3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is really nothing, he is fooling himself.
Gal 6:4 So let each of you scrutinize his own actions. Then if you do find something to boast about, at least the boasting will be based on what you have actually done and not merely on a judgment that you are better than someone else;
Gal 6:5 for each person will carry his own load.
Gal 6:6 But whoever is being instructed in the Word should share all the good things he has with his instructor.
Gal 6:7 Don't delude yourselves: no one makes a fool of God! A person reaps what he sows.
Gal 6:8 Those who keep sowing in the field of their old nature, in order to meet its demands, will eventually reap ruin; but those who keep sowing in the field of the Spirit will reap from the Spirit everlasting life.
Gal 6:9 So let us not grow weary of doing what is good; for if we don't give up, we will in due time reap the harvest.
Gal 6:10 Therefore, as the opportunity arises, let us do what is good to everyone, and especially to the family of those who are trustingly faithful.
Gal 6:11 Look at the large letters I use as I close in my own handwriting.
Gal 6:12 It is those who want to look good outwardly who are trying to get you to be circumcised. The only reason they are doing it is to escape persecution for preaching about the Messiah's execution-stake.
Gal 6:13 For even those who are getting circumcised don't observe the Torah. On the contrary, they want you to get circumcised so that they can boast of having gained your adherence.
Gal 6:14 But as for me, Heaven forbid that I should boast about anything except the execution-stake of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah! Through him, as far as I am concerned, the world has been put to death on the stake; and through him, as far as the world is concerned, I have been put to death on the stake.
Gal 6:15 For neither being circumcised nor being uncircumcised matters; what matters is being a new creation.
Gal 6:16 And as many as order their lives by this rule, shalom upon them and mercy, and upon the Isra'el of God!
Gal 6:17 From now on, I don't want anyone to give me any more tsuris, because I have scars on my body to prove that I belong to Yeshua!
Gal 6:18 The grace of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah be with your spirit, brothers. Amen.
In earnestness you are preaching a subtle deception, having yourself not understood.


It is clear heresy to support a translation which bastardizes Galatians 6:2 to make it out as though it says, “Bear one another's burdens — in this way you will be fulfilling the Torah's true meaning, which the Messiah upholds.”


Galatians 6:2 “Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”


What you do not get is that what Paul is there telling you and us is that Christ is the law. When Paul says, “fulfil the law of Christ”, he is telling you that the law we are to look at are the foot-steps of Christ. Christ is the living law and we by walking as he walk also produce a living law which works “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ”. (2 Corinthians 10:5)



Do you get that? Obedience, not to the Torah, but to Christ, because if we walk as Christ we will fulfill all the law of God for Christ is the living expression of what we are to all aim for after Christ's example, that being as follows:
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves..”


I know that escapes your understanding at the moment as it is clear that you still think God's desire is to have people he can order to be obedient by written law. Yet you yourself know that if your own children mature to be able to act in a way that honors you without their ever having to be told it is a far greater thing than your having to detail a list of rules to them.
When will you understand:


1 Timothy 1:9 “.. that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”



What you are doing is failing to appreciate the law of your husband because you keep running backward to an old lover. You are reversing the following and running back to your old lover: Romans 7:2-3 “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.”

Christ is your law now and you keep calling him inadequate, making it out that he exists only to point your way back to your old lover, when the fact is that that law only existed to point to him.

Romans 10:4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”

You are preaching the very heresy Paul fought so hard against. And Paul knew far more about that Old Law than you, he being a former Pharisee trained at the feet of Gamaliel. (Acts 22:3) (2 Cor. 11:1-4)

That Torah, while not bad or against God's righteousness, was and is incomplete. It was not nearly the complete law of God as is Christ: Galatians 3:21 "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law."

Galatians 3:19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."

Christ, your husband is here. Obey the law of your husband. Listen to him instead of running back to your old lover to listen to that old lover while failing to hear your new husband.
 
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In order to accept the ways that you are changing scripture you would have to believe that Christ spoke against the Torah, Christ did not obey or teach Torah, Christ said to never do what He did as a man on earth about obeying Torah, and because the law points out the sin that leads to death we are not to listen to that because we are too righteous. The whole interpretation that you are accusing others of being stupid not to see sounds stupid to me.
 
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In order to accept the ways that you are changing scripture you would have to believe that Christ spoke against the Torah, Christ did not obey or teach Torah, Christ said to never do what He did as a man on earth about obeying Torah, and because the law points out the sin that leads to death we are not to listen to that because we are too righteous. The whole interpretation that you are accusing others of being stupid not to see sounds stupid to me.
No, not accusing them of being stupid. Just because someone tells me that I fail to see something does not equate to my feeling they are telling me that I am stupid. It did when I was a child. But since then I matured to see that it is really quite normal to our learning that we do not see things until someone else points them out to us. So, let's lay the defensiveness aside. There is nothing to defend. We are both interested in knowing the truth of the matter.

"you would have to believe that Christ spoke against the Torah": No, not at all. But I recognize that the Torah is but a handwritten covenant. It is the covenant, whereas the law of God is eternal. At Genesis 26:5, when we are told, "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws", that is not saying that Abraham had the Torah and observed the Torah. No, but the Torah was given as an added feature to the commandments of God to Abraham's descendants, and for a specific purpose.

The Torah is not eternal lest you wish to make it a sort of idol in that you feel that you can only please God with the Torah positioned in between you and he. Then you have at the very least made it into perpetual crutch. As to how it was commanded in the Torah, the Jews were doing that with the weekly Sabbath Law. Thus Jesus told them that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

So then, where did Abraham find the commandments, and statutes, and God's laws which he kept charge of? He found them in the same place which condemned others even before the Torah for not having know them: Romans 1:18-20 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.."

Thus it is that Paul said, and this is like Abraham, Romans 2:14a "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law ...."

This is the same as with Noah, who by his discerning by nature the commandments, and statutes, and laws of God condemned the world of his day by his obedience to those laws which are written in nature all around us. Yes, they are incorporated into God's design of all things before the pattern of ignoring their presence allows corruption to enter.

Hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."

Now, you might be tempted to think that is not a valid comparison as God spoke to Noah, even as he did Abraham. However, you must ask yourself why God spoke to them. What was it that Noah was first doing so that he was finally able to find grace in God's eyes? (Genesis 6:8) His heart was not revealed by adherence to some written law but by his obedience to the spirit of God within him which could see God speaking to us in things that he made. And the same was true for Abraham. God's recognition of them came clearly by means of their faith. And if they could do so as mere humans not having a Torah, thing all others are inexcusable for not also being able to do so.

That is where we need to be deeply appreciative of the undeserved mercy of God in that he has made us the way to learn to do and to see as Noah and Abraham and even in greater ways by the power of an enlightened faith in Jesus Christ our lord.
 
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"you would have to believe that Christ spoke against the Torah": No, not at all. But I recognize that the Torah is but a handwritten covenant. It is the covenant, whereas the law of God is eternal. At Genesis 26:5, when we are told, "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws", that is not saying that Abraham had the Torah and observed the Torah. No, but the Torah was given as an added feature to the commandments of God to Abraham's descendants, and for a specific purpose.

The Torah is not eternal lest you wish to make it a sort of idol in that you feel that you can only please God with the Torah positioned in between you and he. Then you have at the very least made it into perpetual crutch. As to how it was commanded in the Torah, the Jews were doing that with the weekly Sabbath Law. Thus Jesus told them that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
The Torah is the first five books of scripture. Are you saying that scripture is not scripture? How could Abraham obey God if he wasn't told anything about God? Do you think Christ was explaining the eternal Sabbath or making up a new kind of Sabbath? Christ told us that he spoke for the Father. The law was established at the same time as creation was established and is eternal, it is part of the I Am. It consists of love. Scripture tells us more about it from time to time, more about how we are to use it, does more explaining of it. I don't follow that you are breaking it out to listen to this, don't listen to that, this part if of God and that part isn't. How do you decide and do you think you have a right to decide?
 
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I also wonder about saying that to obey is to deny grace. To obey is using law as a crutch!! If we obey do you think that is deciding to create ourselves as God to use obedience for our eternal life? Do we have to go steal something from someone in order to let Christ know we trust Him? It is scripture that we are to obey. It is scripture that it is through grace we are saved. Both are truth, neither to be denied.
 
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The Torah is the first five books of scripture. Are you saying that scripture is not scripture? How could Abraham obey God if he wasn't told anything about God? Do you think Christ was explaining the eternal Sabbath or making up a new kind of Sabbath? Christ told us that he spoke for the Father. The law was established at the same time as creation was established and is eternal, it is part of the I Am. It consists of love. Scripture tells us more about it from time to time, more about how we are to use it, does more explaining of it. I don't follow that you are breaking it out to listen to this, don't listen to that, this part if of God and that part isn't. How do you decide and do you think you have a right to decide?
"The Torah is the first five books of scripture."

Yes, it is true that the Torah is the first five books of Hebrew Scripture. Yet, the Covenant Law which is contained in them in written form was not given in that form until Moses.


"Are you saying that scripture is not scripture?"

Now that would be foolish even to think. But what makes you believe the scriptures in the form we have them of writing are eternal? Can you not see that the handwritten scriptures were not even needed before sin and that they are just a reference to God's way and God's law which was needed on a temporary basis due to sin by a generation who had lost their ability to hear God?

"How could Abraham obey God if he wasn't told anything about God?"

You did not listen to Paul when he told you that even before that law was given to Moses who then mediated it into written form: Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.."

Why else do you think that: Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law"?

That is how the world of Noah's day was judged without law. Not that they did not have God's law, for it was evident to them just as Paul described at Romans 1:18-20. But they ignored it so that they were without law. The presence of men of faith such as Noah and Abraham therefore served as evidence that they were without excuse and that God was righteous to destroy them. God cares that this is well established because all of the angels are watching.

"Do you think Christ was explaining the eternal Sabbath or making up a new kind of Sabbath?"

You know not what the Sabbath pictures. I know you think you do but you don't.

The essence is in the fact that God rested at the beginning of the seventh day to begin enjoying his new children and teaching them. The children had not yet been given to eat of the tree of life as we know by Gen 3:22. That day was put off by the sin of Adam. The Sabbaths under the Old Law Covenant (all of them) pictured that God would again establish that day of bringing his children to the completeness of holiness required for them to be granted to take eat of the tree of life and thus have God's seal of living forever. And that day is the millennial reign of Christ's kingdom which will shortly begin, for that reason, also known as the regeneration.

What we have been seeing is more about establishing who rules with Christ as associate king/priests during that greater Sabbath day. This is why once Christ arrived they ceased observing the feasts which only pictured the coming Sabbath or regeneration period of this earth (which the seven year land rest under the law also typified). For now the Lord of that greater Sabbath (which those Old Covenant Sabbaths only pictured) as here and it was time to enter into preparation just for the greater Sabbath, just as was done before the Old Law Sabbaths took place. That preparation was also a foreshadow of this greater preparation now taking place in Christ.


I am going to pause there as this is enough meat to chew in one post.
 
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Sorry, clicked a wrong button! LOL.

Please see the previous post.
 
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I feel very sorry that such thinking is getting in today's church. Paul's truths are stretched and pulled until Paul himself would not be able to recognize them.
 
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yes i have observed that there seems to be a trend towards ignorance and misinformation in christianity today...the first post in this thread is an example of some of what has come of that trend...though i am seeing a few promising signs of a backlash against people not doing their homework before they presume to teach...
 
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What happened to "the just shall live by faith" and " I will write my law in their hearts" and " I shall be their God and they shall be my people". Did Abraham obey law and receive righteousness or was it by faith. Yes the trend of the church is in the wrong direction. Because, most teach self righteousness, by placing faith in psychology and handing out water bottles and what not. The just shall live by faith. Faith in what, The cross and nothing else. Keeping a law and glorying in it is self righteousness ask Paul.

I am not against law, but, law is against you. By no means can you keep it at all whatsoever. If you could then Christ wasted his effort. If our faith is firmly placed in the cross. Then, The Holy Spirit will produce in good works or that is to say the divine nature. But, it is only by faith.
 
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I called it divine nature, Paul called it the law of the Spirit or the law of Christ. They are one and the same, you can't have one without the other.
 
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I feel very sorry that such thinking is getting in today's church. Paul's truths are stretched and pulled until Paul himself would not be able to recognize them.
Once you and I have humbly completed our surrender to Christ and have been transformed faith to faith, spirit to spirit, into the full grown image of Christ, and are thus given to eat of the tree of life, we will rejoice that we no longer need the training wheels and crutches to hold us up before we know from within us how to live each one of us in our own unique yet harmonious way, like the stars, each one shining God's glory in their own unique way while in perfect harmony with all others who do the same.

Sin brought the need for the crutches and right now we fear that we might not be able to walk without those crutches. No man can truly be the glory of God when God must tell that man what step he must take before that man takes his steps.

When we are able to walk by the direction of God's spiritual law written within our hearts and not need to be told how to do right, then we will truly be God's glory and not before.

Lest you convince the world that they are right to claim God creates because he needs creatures to lead as slaves. The atheists clamor that all day long.

And you say I do not listen to Paul or to Jesus?

John 15:15 "Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you."

And he yet speaks whether you hear him or not.
 
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What happened to "the just shall live by faith" and " I will write my law in their hearts" and " I shall be their God and they shall be my people". Did Abraham obey law and receive righteousness or was it by faith. Yes the trend of the church is in the wrong direction. Because, most teach self righteousness, by placing faith in psychology and handing out water bottles and what not. The just shall live by faith. Faith in what, The cross and nothing else. Keeping a law and glorying in it is self righteousness ask Paul.

I am not against law, but, law is against you. By no means can you keep it at all whatsoever. If you could then Christ wasted his effort. If our faith is firmly placed in the cross. Then, The Holy Spirit will produce in good works or that is to say the divine nature. But, it is only by faith.
Because everyone wants to leave out a part of God's message. "Just live by Faith" forgets that faith means faith in all of God. If they know that they can't be saved by works, then they discount works. if they know that faith without works is nothing, then they discount faith. If they know of the Holy Spirit putting the law in their hearts they discount that law is written for us. When law is Christ and law is love, then that is all they know. When there is a new covenant in Christ, then of course that is all there is, everything else is out of here. If they know the OT then the NT is nothing, and if they know the NT then the OT is nothing. That kind of thinking is wrong.
 
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Because everyone wants to leave out a part of God's message. "Just live by Faith" forgets that faith means faith in all of God. If they know that they can't be saved by works, then they discount works. if they know that faith without works is nothing, then they discount faith. If they know of the Holy Spirit putting the law in their hearts they discount that law is written for us. When law is Christ and law is love, then that is all they know. When there is a new covenant in Christ, then of course that is all there is, everything else is out of here. If they know the OT then the NT is nothing, and if they know the NT then the OT is nothing. That kind of thinking is wrong.
It's wrong to place my faith in the cross and not my works?
 

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The Law is God's instructions on how to love God, how to love others, and how to not love yourself. Don't take my word as it being so, allow the Word of God/Holy Scriptures/OT & NT prove it. Allow Jesus' words to prove it. We Christians all live by faith in Jesus and His Works because the Law cannot saves us. AND THIS IS WHERE MANY JUMP THE BOAT....THE LAW CANNOT SAVE US SO IT MUST BE NO GOOD. However, once you realized you are a sinner (based on God's Word revelation), and accepted through FAITH that you can only be made "Justified" by the Works of Christ, HOW DO YOU THEN LIVE YOUR LIFE? WHAT IS WRITTEN IN YOUR HEART? TO OBEY GOD AND WHAT HE DESIRES OR TO BRUSH THAT OFF AND SAY IN YOUR HEART YOU HAVE A BETTER WAY THROUGH CHRIST? IS IT NOT THROUGH CHRIST EXAMPLE? WHAT DID JESUS SHOW US? TO DO AWAY WITH THE COMMANDMENTS? REALLY!!!

(Mat 19:17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

(Joh 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

(Joh 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


(1Jn 2:3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

(1Jn 3:22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

(1Jn 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

(1Jn 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

(Rev 12:17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

(Rev 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

SO WHAT COMMANDMENTS HAVE BEEN TWISTED? TO REST ON THE SABBATH? TO NOT EAT SWINE? TO OBSERVE HOLIDAYS THAT GOD SAID NOT ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM HIS HOLY DAYS?

THE BOTTOM QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU PLEASE THE ONE YOU LOVE MORE THAN ANYTHING? BY DOING WHAT THAT ONE LOVES? OR IS IT DOING WHAT YOU WANT AND POOPING OFF YOUR LOVE OF WHAT THEY DESIRE?

WHO IS JESUS TO YOU? THE ONE WHO STRENGTHENED THE LAWS AND WROTE THE LAWS ON YOUR HEART? JESUS SAID HE IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER. GOD SAID HE NEVER CHANGES. IF YOU HAVE TO PUT ONE SCRIPTURE ABOVE ANOTHER TO MAKE YOUR PARADIGM FIT, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG IN YOUR HEART. THE SEED HAS FALLEN ON GROUND WHERE THE WEEDS HAVE CHOKED OUT THE LOVE FOR CHRIST AND WHAT HE COMMANDED US TO DO. YOU KEEP SAYING THE LAW HAS CHANGED....IT DIDN'T...ONLY THE WOLVES CAME IN EARLY AFTER THE DISCIPLES TO PLANT THE SEEDS OF LIES...AND NOW MANY MAIN STREAM TRADITIONAL CHRISTIANS ARE FOLLOWING THIS DESTRUCTIVE PATH....THE WIDE PATH.

Where does the judgment begin? 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
 

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1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
 
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It's wrong to place my faith in the cross and not my works?
It is wrong to decide you will be saved by your works, it is through the cross. It is wrong to decide that you will not obey your God. It is wrong to ignore any teaching of God, all is scripture. It is wrong to decide that God speaks against God, to say one instruction destroys another. They work together.
 

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(Joh 17:17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (What is the Word? What is truth?)

(Joh 17:19) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. (Again, what is truth? What was the message of Jesus?)

(Eph 5:26) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, (What is the Word?)

(1Th 5:23) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.)

(Heb 13:12) Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

(1Pe 3:15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: (1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.)

Isa 5:16 But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

RIGHTEOUSNESS: Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
 
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It is wrong to decide you will be saved by your works, it is through the cross. It is wrong to decide that you will not obey your God. It is wrong to ignore any teaching of God, all is scripture. It is wrong to decide that God speaks against God, to say one instruction destroys another. They work together.
I cannot keep Gods word unless my faith is in the cross. Look Peter walked on the water, but when he took his eyes off Jesus he sank and cried Lord help me and Jesus lifted him up and walked back to the boat. Like the song say's "I can't even wal without you holding my hand" why boast in our deeds.