Exactly when and what triggered the ceasing of the gifts of the Spirit?

GreenNnice · Apr 15, 2013

There cam be Godly laughter, and, to umclefes, read what annointedshep says about who the speaking in tongues is for, its unbelievers, so, no, you should not even want a sign of belief that God's done a moracle. By faith, we should already believe, but we ARE to.desire spiritual gifts as Paul says in 1 Cor. 14 .

onlinebuddy · Apr 15, 2013

No No Jack. I was addressing a post from Homewardbound

onlinebuddy · Apr 15, 2013

OK, You are entitled to your opinion!

The phrase, "being baptized by the Holy Ghost" is nowhere mentioned in John 3.

Worshiping in Spirit and Truth is something different, and "being baptized in the Holy Spirit" is something altogether different.

The above verse/ prophecy is directly and specifically addressed to those gathered in Jerusalem at that time. If you read the entire CONTEXT, Jesus told them NOT TO LEAVE JERUSALEM. So this verse is for those apostles/disciples that were gathered at Jerusalem and were witnesses to Christ's resurrection. This prophecy was fulfilled in Acts 2.

We must be able to distinguish between HISTORY and the COMMANDS of Christ.

As you said, if I am missing something, please pray for me that God would reveal it to me.

onlinebuddy · Apr 15, 2013

Originally Posted by wdeaton65

I want you to do me a favor. Tell you pastor about this site and have him come on here and help you out with a little more detail on these spirit filled services. I dont want to hurt you but you are young. Let me give you this if someone tells you it cant be taught it has got to be caught. I want you to please ask them where the Bible teaches that. Things like this laughter and drunk in the spirit you know the real spiritual stuff. I will be waiting thanks.

Laughter in the spirit and being drunk in the spirit are demonic manifestations of false gifts. Stay away from that sort of garbage.

MASS HYPNOTISM!!!
This has nothing to do with Christ. In India, this happens with other pagan religions ALL THE TIME!

onlinebuddy · Apr 15, 2013

Originally Posted by onlinebuddy

Homewardbound,
One cannot just pick up any verse in order to prove one's point.

SCRIPTURE MUST BE EXAMINED CAREFULLY IN THE LIGHT OF ITS CONTEXT!!!

If we use scripture out of context, we miss the REASON (PURPOSE) why God has put a particular verse in the Bible, (and why he has excluded millions of other verses).

Too many Christians pick and choose any verse that has their desired KEYWORD and begin to prove their point.

This is the reason we have LONG THREADS.

This is also the exact reason we have so many different DOCTRINES and DENOMINATIONS.

Sorry brother, we are getting nowhere with this discussion. However, I'm glad that Christ binds us together. I'll try to stay on this thread as much as possible

sorry you donot see the truth
John 3 rerad it one cannot see the kingdom without being born again and being born again is being baptized by the holy Ghost
Acts 1:5

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
They and us today cannot do anything without abiding in Chriat and abiding is being born again by the life of christ at the resurrectionof Christ via the cross where we now serve God in Spirit and truth all in context Brother hope you see this onlky god can reveal this to you not me or anyone else

John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father inspirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

John 4:24God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit andtruth.”
John 4:23-25 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

John 14:17the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

sorry you donot see the truth

OK, You are entitled to your opinion!

John 3 rerad it one cannot see the kingdom without being born again and being born again is being baptized by the holy Ghost

The phrase, "being baptized by the Holy Ghost" is nowhere mentioned in John 3.

Worshiping in Spirit and Truth is something different, and "being baptized in the Holy Spirit" is something altogether different.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
They and us today cannot do anything without abiding in Chriat and abiding is being born again by the life of christ at the resurrectionof Christ via the cross where we now serve God in Spirit and truth all in context Brother hope you see this onlky god can reveal this to you not me or anyone else

The above verse/ prophecy is directly and specifically addressed to those gathered in Jerusalem at that time. If you read the entire CONTEXT, Jesus told them NOT TO LEAVE JERUSALEM. So this verse is for those apostles/disciples that were gathered at Jerusalem and were witnesses to Christ's resurrection. This prophecy was fulfilled in Acts 2.

We must be able to distinguish between HISTORY and the COMMANDS of Christ.

As you said, if I am missing something, please pray for me that God would reveal it to me.

The above verse that I am referring to is in Acts 1:4-5 (NIV)
4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5For John baptized with[SUP]a[/SUP] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[SUP]b[/SUP] the Holy Spirit.”

coconut · Apr 15, 2013

unclefester said:

Why be so occupied with Pentecostals or Charismatics and what they believe and practice. Thank God for them and what God has called them to do. If we think others who profess Christ are practicing these things outside the will of God, why let it take us away from what the Spirits leads us to do in the will of God which would include being exercised in the many gifts that are distributed by the Spirit in the local church for the work of the ministry? There is a balanced in these things and when we are walking in the Spirit there is no particular emphasis being made or put on a pedestal to stand out but just a body of believers working together in the unity of the Spirit and in the will of God for that local church revealing their head, Christ.

coconut · Apr 15, 2013

Unclefester, Zone and others,

Would you agree that if a local church was called to make disciples of men and woman and train them up to send them into various parts of the world to preach and impart the gospel as they are called by God to go, wouldn't that take special gifts of teaching, exhorting, helps and governments and others things to bring that to past in the will of God? It would also take much discipline in the word and a daily cross in the lives of all those involved in that endeavor. Certain ones in that local body would be given by God as gifts to that local church and there would be those who have been given certain gifts, talents and skills for the purpose of building and edifying that local church in the undertaking call and work of that ministry. That's how I see a local church being edified in the unity of the Spirit for the work of the ministry and how they progressively grow up in the unity of the faith unto mature believers, vessels of honor set apart as meet for the master's use and prepared unto every good work. Having gifts given by the Spirit and being exercised in those gifts is just a part of what it takes to make it happen by grace through faith and in the love of God, who sent his Son and now wants to send us as his ambassadors with a word and ministry of reconciliation to a lost world.

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

Understood Zone maturity verses inamturity as hebrews 5:11 -6:6 reveals, as Paul revaeled to the Corinthians how they were taking advantage of grace and were not mature, and this they needed and came to as 2 Cor 7 reveals they did.
So why not say you all; asking are you taking advantage of this amazing salvation provided to us all through the cross are you being a do-gooder, masquerading as being someone you are not. interested more in praises from people than God?
Each one reading this knows exactly if this is true or not and do not need to post here if they are or not just be honest with themselves and search each ourselves and study to be approved of God and not man
Well everyone lets be honest to God and each other therefore let's help one another. Every man/woman knows their motive(s) and let each of us check our motive(s) to God and be healed not caring anymore for this worlds traps of look at me and what I am doing, acting like that person
Luke 18:11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector
Luke 18:12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
I will add I pray in tongues, I do this I do that, and I am not like that other person over there
Luke 18:13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
Now Iam sure a many of us have done the above, but have forgotten this as we grow in grace and our flesh takes the credit for it misleading each of us and only each of us can decide this in ourselves if this be true or not about ourselves and thus we change to trust God and not be caught up in hoop-lah as many are and do not see this
Hope we all to be aware of this and get back to the personal relationship we each are to have with our heavenly Father through Christ our mediator unto Father sealed by the Holy Ghost of promise that teaches each of us truth that sets each of us free in the Spirit of God loving one another and praying for one another

JaumeJ · Apr 15, 2013

There is no teaching from our Master declaring the gifts of the Holy Spirit as not enduring until the end of this age. From the Word there is no such teaching. Where did the idea come from in the first place? Right, the wisdom of man.

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

Matthew18:20
For wheretwo or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Mark 13:2
And Jesusanswering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not beleft one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Acts 7:48-
48 However,the Most High doesn’t live in temples made by human hands. As the prophet says,

49 ‘Heavenis my throne,
and theearth is my footstool.
Could youbuild me a temple as good as that?’
asks theLord.
‘Could youbuild me such a resting place?
50 Didn’t myhands make both heaven and earth?’
51 “Youstubborn people! You are heathen at heart and deaf to the truth. Must youforever resist the Holy Spirit? That’s what your ancestors did, and so do you!52 Name one prophet your ancestors didn’t persecute! They even killed the oneswho predicted the coming of the Righteous One—the Messiah whom you betrayed andmurdered. 53 You deliberately disobeyed God’s law, even though you received itfrom the hands of angels.”

And afterbeing infuriated as what is and has been happening here about being mature and immaturethey stoned Stephan to death
59 As theystoned him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 He fell to hisknees, shouting, “Lord, don’t charge them with this sin!” And with that, hedied.

Now that ismaturity Sisters and Brothers standing for God 100% and not fighting with theflesh rather the Spirit of God trusting God willing to leave this world and yetman has set up Churches all over the world and different denominations whichPaul was against and said so in 1Cor.
Yep I do notbelong to any worldly Church. This world and God have enmity between each otherif we belong to this world we are none of God's, for this world is enmitytowards God masquerading as if it is not just like the tree of good and evilthat truly is only evil masquerading as good which deceived Adam and Eve in thefirst place, but God through his son Christ has redeemed the whole world notcounting anyone’s sins against them, and this is great news but it does notbring life and all that is left is to ask God for life after the reception ofbeing 100% forgiven for all time then one recieves the new life of LOVE andworship in the Spirit of God which is the only way God can be worshippedwhether in tongues or not, you and or anyone else does not know another's heartwhether they do this or that right even Christ said to one of his disciples whyare you concerned about what John is doing or where he is going, you have yourown direction to go

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

God does not reside in buildings Sister he resides in the believer as I have posted you are rejecting truth in Him (Christ) he came to not bring peace but a sword dividing Soul and Spirit he came to give each of us life back in the Spirit just like Adam and Eve had before eating of that tree of death. Today by the finished work of Christ we get to eat from the tree of life that is in christ and given to us freely by Christ and have life everlasting, and this is not in man-made Church this is in Heaven itself which I am made a citizen of, put back here as an ambassador representing the love, Joy , peace and righteousness found in the Holy Ghost of promise, being a partaker in this amazing gift given freely by God through the cross of his Son

Elizabeth619 · Apr 15, 2013

homwardbound said:

Zone isn't saying the church is a building. She is saying the church is individuals who come together in Christ to make up the body. One individual believer doesn't make up the entire body of Christ, but part of the body. One Christian is not the Church, but part of the church, and when Christians assemble together...yes, God is there because he resides in us all.

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

Thank youand I am a Child of the living God of Christ who connected me to Father now Icry ABBA Father in thankfulness no matter where I go Father is with me in thepower of the Holy Ghost that christ sent to me after asking for new life once Iunderstood I am forgiven 100% forever and always my response has been thankinghim continuously ever since and Daddy has never forsaken me as well as Daddywill never forsake anyone that does believe in him.
We are likea mighty Oak tree a small nut that stood its ground, and am glad for you Zone,we are one by belief in the Spirit of God there are no denominations from God'sperspective and so are all the rest here that believe in God through Christ

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

And so was Jesus Lone Ranger and the religous leaders of his day put him to death and nothing is truly new under the sun. Waht goes around comes back around religousness is not a part of God religion any is a works program of look at me whether it be tongues or look at me i go to Church every Sunday, Saturday or what ever it is not about us Sister it is about God and serving God and God only in Love of god because God first loved us
I am elated truth is coming out. we are either of this world or of God
Thanks

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

Yuo are not receptive to others believes and are not encouraginf to others it is your way or the highway you are fighting in and of flesh whether you realise this or not you are Sister that is what this has to do with this.

JaumeJ · Apr 15, 2013

The Church is the Body of Christ in this age, all of its members. It is not theology nor is it popular thinking or what has been voted upon. The Church is Yeshua.

Here is the accurate rendition of the Temple of Yahweh, the church.

Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Our understanding is not from hypotheses, theories, theologies, etc, no our understanding is from the Father and of Christ.

Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Col 2:3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

well, we don't make a point of gathering with other denominations to share ideas.

we know what the other denominations believe.

we do missions and outreach with all kinds of people, and other denominations - provided it doesn't require us to do anything which goes against our convictions - for example....activism for ordination of gays in ministry. no...we don't come together over things like that.

as for community service, individuals do that as they are led.
avenues for service are posted at the church.

our church exists for the SHEEP first.
for care and feeding of Christ's sheep.

i know that sounds opposed to what you may have been taught.

So do you Love all Zone or just those that Love you?

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

why are they isolated?
Paul had a whole church operating.

if they continued, and we have a billion christians...wel....where are the NUMBERS?

anything...ONE REAL MIRACLE please!

i'll believe it, because i'll know it when i see it.

someone raised from the dead would be good.

or, people suddenly proclaiming the Gospel in languages (all at once) they never learned.

just post it!!

you can't....that's why.
so you toss it our way saying WE lack faith.
i'm afraid the opposite is true.

thx anyways.

i'll post prophets and tongues and signs and wonders...if there are any you think are genuine please let me know.

back later on that

Zone do you believe that your Church is the only one right along with others that believe the exact same only?

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

No you are right if we are a believer and God has recieved us God will not go to my Brother and tello my brother to tell me something God will tell his children directly. Just as I will not go to my daughter and tell her to tell her sister something I want her to know. No I would tell her directly
And is why we have such a hight Priest that lives forever making intercesion for us all.
Gifts of the spirit are for unbelievers, just like Law uis for the Lawbreakers not the believers

homwardbound · Apr 15, 2013

zone said:

coconut.
here's what i see at my church.

a gifted pastor who was raised in the faith and lived and lives a godly life. he is fully qualified according to scripture, by virtue of his godly life and home, and able due to years of hard work and study.

he has shown himself approved, and he need not be ashamed.

he is fully equipped. he is our servant! he cares for us. he is the least among us.

i see elders who give of their time and love to serve the flock and help. they consider themsleves lesser than we are.

they serve us. they care for us.

i see all the people doing what needs to be done when it needs to be done.

i see some give money; some give time; some pray; some cut the lawn; some work with the municipality; some teach bible study; some make coffee; some teach the kids; some help with ppl's income tax; some do the shopping; some manage local missions....

like....what do you want me to say? not good enough? i need miracles or signs or whatever?
i don't....i just don't.

look what Paul was telling Pastor Timothy (who for some reason though Paul who could raise a dead kid and heal the sick, didn't heal Timothy's tummy troubles

):

2 Timothy 3
All Scripture Is Breathed Out by God
10You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness, 11my persecutions and sufferings that happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra—which persecutions I endured; yet from them all the Lord rescued me. 12Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whoma you learned it 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be competent, equipped for every good work.

So those that claim t have gifts of God are what then? In the sight of Zone and her Church? Or what in the sight of God?

Exactly when and what triggered the ceasing of the gifts of the Spirit?

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