Israel or Palestine?

[JaumeJ]

That tree is any individual, and we know the tree is good if the fruit is good. As for politics of this age, that is none of my business as a child of the Most High God. As concerning Israel, it is my country and its capital is New Jerusalem. It will never be whole until our Lord brings it down. There is an infinite difference between the Israel of this age, and the Israel of Yahweh.

Confusing one with the other will only bring heartache, confusion and darkness. Look to the King and His Kingdom.

 

[PeteWaldo]

That tree is any individual, and we know the tree is good if the fruit is good. As for politics of this age, that is none of my business as a child of the Most High God. As concerning Israel, it is my country and its capital is New Jerusalem. It will never be whole until our Lord brings it down. There is an infinite difference between the Israel of this age, and the Israel of Yahweh.

Confusing one with the other will only bring heartache, confusion and darkness. Look to the King and His Kingdom.

You seem to have missed the question. It is not about the "politics of this age".
Do you believe the return of Jews to Israel is of the Lord, or do you believe it is of Satan?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel.html

 

[JaumeJ]

No, I have missed nothing. Israel has always been utilized to demonstrate what we have been foretold.

I understand when Jesus, Yeshua, teaches us, "When you see Jerusalem, and the times of the gentiles fulfilled....." He is not making reference to the Kingdom, it is to the Israel of this age. Some believe when Jerusalem was taken by the Israelis in the Six Days' War that part of His warning was fulfilled. We shall see.

The two prophets will most likely be Israeli, but we must wait to know this for certain. God has always used Jews for His purposes, and I see no reason why He should change His ways now; He is always the same, amen.

 

[PeteWaldo]

No, I have missed nothing. Israel has always been utilized to demonstrate what we have been foretold.

I understand when Jesus, Yeshua, teaches us, "When you see Jerusalem, and the times of the gentiles fulfilled....." He is not making reference to the Kingdom, it is to the Israel of this age. Some believe when Jerusalem was taken by the Israelis in the Six Days' War that part of His warning was fulfilled. We shall see.

The two prophets will most likely be Israeli, but we must wait to know this for certain. God has always used Jews for His purposes, and I see no reason why He should change His ways now; He is always the same, amen.

Thanks bro. But you did post:

The politics of this age have nothing to do with our Kingdom.

Following my post regarding those true Muslims, and the false prophet Muhammad they follow. Which part of my post regarded things of the political, rather than spiritual realm?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine-21.html#post993959

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

That is, 1.5 billion people that are commanded to conquer all kingdoms and subjugate all people to DISBELIEVING the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God and REJECTING His shed blood, as ARTICLES OF FAITH in THE false prophet Muhammad.

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

The same 1/4 of mankind that are commanded to subjugate YOU and YOUR HEIRS to following Muhammad's blasphemy. To believing that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even to pray in Jesus' name, would constitute the most egregious - and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN - as compared to child rape or cold-blooded mass murder, which may be forgiven.

Quran Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Do you see anything about the false prophet Muhammad's religion or his commands to fight and subjugate - that come from ISLAM'S books - that is political rather than spiritual (specifically the spirit of antichrist)?

John's "whole world" has already nearly been conquered and subjugated:

 

[JaumeJ]

The politics of this age have nothing to do with the Kingdom. A person may vote or not vote, a despot may take over and dictate, but the outcome will be unchanged as to how everything will unfold. Yes, I did post that because I believe God not politics.

 

[PeteWaldo]

The politics of this age have nothing to do with the Kingdom. A person may vote or not vote, a despot may take over and dictate, but the outcome will be unchanged as to how everything will unfold. Yes, I did post that because I believe God not politics.

So then you see this all as a political battle, rather than spiritual battle? Perhaps that the Quran is just a political tool of its false prophet and divorced from the spiritual realm? If not then perhaps you could point out what part of the post you replied to, or the most recent post I just replied with, you believe to be about political matters.

 

[zone]

If you had watched the video, the video identifies him. Muhammad Hussein Yacoub is just your average run of the mill Islamic cleric, scholar, and Egyptian TV proselytizer, that GETS Islam and understands what the false prophet Muhammad commanded of his true followers.
He's just part of the fruit on team Zone's anti-Zionist tree.
Muhammad Hussein Yacoub - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."
JIHAD

[video=youtube;UQERHieZHcg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQERHieZHcg[/video]

Of course this next leader flat out lies regarding the Quran not cursing Christians, perhaps so that Bible and Quran ignorant partial preterists, are more easily duped into sitting around his campfire with him and singing his "us against the Jews" kumbaya while drinking his kool-aid.


Good of you to point out the blindness of those that are of the world, when the problem is obvious to those of us that don't parrot a Satan led 2nd century Roman ruler, by calling Israel Palestine.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
united copts .org - Statement by Father Juan Carlos Martos cmf

thanks...i'll get to your reply shortly.

BUT

while i have your attention Pete....

why are you circulating propaganda Hoax photos and blaming an atrocity on Muslims?

you know the one....



False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists

Outline
Widely circulated message claims that an attached photograph shows the charred bodies of 500 Nigerian Christians burned in a massacre perpetrated by Muslim terrorists.

Brief Analysis
The photograph is genuine, but it does not show the aftermath of a terrorist attack, but rather the bodies of people burned in a fuel tanker explosion in the Democratic Republic of Congo. While Nigeria has a long and bloody history of religiously motivated violence, this explosion was a tragic accident and was not the work of Muslim terrorists. Nor was it in any way targeted at Christians. The claims in the protest message have no basis in fact.

Detailed Analysis
According to this message, which circulates via social media sites, blogs and email, a graphic image that travels with the message depicts the charred bodies of 500 Nigerian Christians burned in a religious orientated attack by Muslim terrorists. The message claims that the supposed massacre has been ignored by the mainstream media and that the story and picture were removed from Facebook in an apparent effort to keep information about the attack from being publicized.

However, the claims in this would-be protest message have no basis in fact. The photograph used in the message to illustrate the supposed massacre is genuine but it does not depict the aftermath of an attack by Islamic terrorists as claimed nor was the picture taken in Nigeria. In fact, the image shows the bodies of people killed in a massive petrol tanker explosion that occurred in the Democratic Republic of Congo in July 2010. A Reuters news article about the accident noted:

(Reuters) - At least 230 people were killed when a fuel tanker overturned and exploded in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo, unleashing a fire ball that tore through homes and cinemas packed with people watching World Cup soccer.

Officials said on Saturday the explosion late on Friday also injured 196 people, adding that the death toll could rise.

They described scenes of devastation in the town of Sange, where houses were burned and bodies littered the streets. Some people died while trying to steal fuel leaking from the tanker, but most were killed at home or watching World Cup soccer in cinemas.

Many articles about the explosion use the same image featured in the above protest message. Other news articles show the same scene after the bodies have been bagged and prepared for burial in mass graves.

The explosion was a result of a tragic accident and was certainly not a Muslim terrorist attack against Christians. Moreover, while there has been a long history of religiously motivated violence between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, there are no credible reports of a massacre like the one described in the above message. Thus, it seems that the creator of the message has taken an unrelated image and simply invented a story to go with it in an effort to further his or her own agenda.

And, the accusation in the message that the mainstream media deliberately ignores terrorist attacks against Christians is unfounded and actually rather silly. In fact, such attacks are extensively reported by news media all around the world on a regular basis. Furthermore, while Facebook may well have - quite legitimately - removed the image from its network because it was 'violent' or 'inappropriate' , the suggestion that the company has some deliberate policy of bowing to Islamic terrorists is nonsensical.

Telling outright lies to further a particular political or religious agenda is counterproductive and the dissemination of such inflammatory misinformation will do nothing more that add fuel to the fires of religious hatred and intolerance. And deliberately misusing an image showing bodies of accident victims to push a particular world view shows a callous and immoral disregard for both the victims and their families.


False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists < click

 

[zone]

So then you see this all as a political battle, rather than spiritual battle? Perhaps that the Quran is just a political tool of its false prophet and divorced from the spiritual realm? If not then perhaps you could point out what part of the post you replied to, or the most recent post I just replied with, you believe to be about political matters.

its good you are aware of Islam as a false religion.

later today we will look at Judaism's holy books....which say all gentiles are animals; and should be killed.
it says Mary was a whore, Jesus was a Sorcerer, and Christians are to be robbed and killed.

it says jews are the messiah, and rabbis are divine.

and so on.

........

i wonder why you never have a balanced view?
that's my concern. who are you working for?
so what we can easily see, is that we have two groups (primarily) who are lost depraved sinners...both blaspheming Christ and hell bound without the Gospel....and you pretending one half of that equation isn't true.

yes, it's Talmud Time.

we'll compare Koran to Talmud and we'll see who is holier.

k?

 

[wdeaton65]

its good you are aware of Islam as a false religion.

later today we will look at Judaism's holy books....which say all gentiles are animals; and should be killed.
it says Mary was a whore, Jesus was a Sorcerer, and Christians are to be robbed and killed.

it says jews are the messiah, and rabbis are divine.

and so on.

........

i wonder why you never have a balanced view?
that's my concern. who are you working for?
so what we can easily see, is that we have two groups (primarily) who are lost depraved sinners...both blaspheming Christ and hell bound without the Gospel....and you pretending one half of that equation isn't true.

yes, it's Talmud Time.

we'll compare Koran to Talmud and we'll see who is holier.

k?

Both forms of written and oral babylonian and jerusalem text of the talmud is from HELL not the grave but the pitt of.
Anyone supporting these teaching coming from YHWH Yeshua the word of GOD or even the prophets is completely being lied to.
Maybe it is time to go through just how the scriptures for the most part came into being. Do any people here think that GOD would take a chance on them being subject to our opions HE is the WORD. THERE IS NO JEW NO GENTILE NO MALE NO FEMALE WE ARE ONE IN YESHUA, JESUS ,THE WORD OF GOD IN THE FLESH!!!

Why cant you see this ONE GATE! This end time counterfiet is the very proof of Pauls teaching and Johns Revelation.

 

[zone]

PETE:
why are you circulating a Propaganda Hoax photo claiming muslims burned christians to death in a terror attack?

It's a lie.

Will you correct it?


this came from what appears to be a favorite source of yours: still not corrected as of Sunday, 20 January 2013.

Statement by Father Juan Carlos Martos cmf*

"Therefore, from this modest blog, I ask a favor from all people who are reading me. Please distribute this photo and its comments using all the media you have if only for commemorating these martyrs since, unfortunately, Facebook seems to be on the side of the executioners by preventing the publication of such tragic events."

Juan Carlos Martos cmf Segretariato di PVMissionari ClarettianiVia Sacro Cuore à Maria-500197-Rome

http://www.unitedcopts.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8245&Itemid=73 <click

False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists

Outline
Widely circulated message claims that an attached photograph shows the charred bodies of 500 Nigerian Christians burned in a massacre perpetrated by Muslim terrorists.

Brief Analysis
The photograph is genuine, but it does not show the aftermath of a terrorist attack, but rather the bodies of people burned in a fuel tanker explosion in the Democratic Republic of Congo. While Nigeria has a long and bloody history of religiously motivated violence, this explosion was a tragic accident and was not the work of Muslim terrorists. Nor was it in any way targeted at Christians. The claims in the protest message have no basis in fact.

Detailed Analysis
According to this message, which circulates via social media sites, blogs and email, a graphic image that travels with the message depicts the charred bodies of 500 Nigerian Christians burned in a religious orientated attack by Muslim terrorists. The message claims that the supposed massacre has been ignored by the mainstream media and that the story and picture were removed from Facebook in an apparent effort to keep information about the attack from being publicized.

However, the claims in this would-be protest message have no basis in fact. The photograph used in the message to illustrate the supposed massacre is genuine but it does not depict the aftermath of an attack by Islamic terrorists as claimed nor was the picture taken in Nigeria. In fact, the image shows the bodies of people killed in a massive petrol tanker explosion that occurred in the Democratic Republic of Congo in July 2010. A Reuters news article about the accident noted:

(Reuters) - At least 230 people were killed when a fuel tanker overturned and exploded in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo, unleashing a fire ball that tore through homes and cinemas packed with people watching World Cup soccer.

Officials said on Saturday the explosion late on Friday also injured 196 people, adding that the death toll could rise.

They described scenes of devastation in the town of Sange, where houses were burned and bodies littered the streets. Some people died while trying to steal fuel leaking from the tanker, but most were killed at home or watching World Cup soccer in cinemas.

Many articles about the explosion use the same image featured in the above protest message. Other news articles show the same scene after the bodies have been bagged and prepared for burial in mass graves.

The explosion was a result of a tragic accident and was certainly not a Muslim terrorist attack against Christians. Moreover, while there has been a long history of religiously motivated violence between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, there are no credible reports of a massacre like the one described in the above message. Thus, it seems that the creator of the message has taken an unrelated image and simply invented a story to go with it in an effort to further his or her own agenda.

And, the accusation in the message that the mainstream media deliberately ignores terrorist attacks against Christians is unfounded and actually rather silly. In fact, such attacks are extensively reported by news media all around the world on a regular basis. Furthermore, while Facebook may well have - quite legitimately - removed the image from its network because it was 'violent' or 'inappropriate' , the suggestion that the company has some deliberate policy of bowing to Islamic terrorists is nonsensical.

Telling outright lies to further a particular political or religious agenda is counterproductive and the dissemination of such inflammatory misinformation will do nothing more that add fuel to the fires of religious hatred and intolerance. And deliberately misusing an image showing bodies of accident victims to push a particular world view shows a callous and immoral disregard for both the victims and their families.


False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists < click

please acknowledge your error for creds.
you will need them.

thanks.

 

[zone]

If you had watched the video, the video identifies him. Muhammad Hussein Yacoub is just your average run of the mill Islamic cleric, scholar, and Egyptian TV proselytizer

let us begin here.
i see you're not as fussy about Wiki as you were, so we'll use it.
apparently credible sources aren't key for you.

we'll go line on line.
point by point.

i hope you don't pretend to ignore me again. after all - we are interested in Truth, right?

.....

Muhammad Hussein Yacoub (Arabic: محمد حسين يعقوب‎) is a Salafi Islamic scholar in Egypt, who has given hundreds of lectures in Da’wah. A number of his books are currently being published. He gained significant notoriety after successive spouts of anti-Semitism and hatred against non-Muslims.

Muhammad Hussein Yacoub - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

The Salafi movement, also known as the Salafist movement, is a movement among Sunni Muslims named by its proponents in reference to the Salaf ("predecessors" or "ancestors"), the earliest Muslims considered to be examples of Islamic practice.[1] The term has been in use since the Middle Ages. The movement is related to or includes Wahhabism (a name which some of its proponents consider derogatory, preferring the term Salafism), so that the two terms are often viewed as synonymous.[2]

At other times, Salafism is deemed as the hybridation between Wahhabism and other movements which has taken place since the 1960s

Salafi movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

Wahhabism (Arabic: وهابية‎, Wahhābiyyah) is an ultra-conservative[1] branch of Sunni Islam.[2][3] It is a religious movement among fundamentalist Islamic believers, with an aspiration to return to the earliest fundamental Islamic sources of the Quran and Hadith, with inspiration from the teachings of Medieval theologian Ibn Taymiyyah and early jurist Ahmad ibn Hanbal.[4]

Wahhabism was a popular revivalist movement instigated by an eighteenth century theologian, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792) from Najd, Saudi Arabia.

Wahhabi movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

September 28, 2004
This is a PB of the acclaimed "House of Bush House of Saud". Expanded with new material and a new Afterword by Craig Unger, this book reveals new evidence of the controversial Saudi-Bush relationship and its effect on terrorism. In this updated edition, Craig Unger probes with documents and intelligence sources into the religious extremism of Saudi Arabia under its particular brand of Wahhabi Islam espoused by the royal House of Saud. He shows that the seeds for the 'age of terrorism' were planted nearly 30 years ago in the Kingdom, fanned through the long-lived business and governmental connections between the House of Saud and House of Bush. It is a relationship that is seemingly at times difficult to distinguish from favouritism. Unger shows how as alongside the relationship, the flame of terrorism was kindled as a by-product through the growth of a complex financial network, at one stage comprising the fraudulent bank of BCCI (currently the cause Bank of England litigation). Unger shows that to this day (even immediately after 9/11) the Bush Administration has been curiously reluctant to stem the financial life-blood of terrorism by clamping down on Saudi Arabia. Despite its rhetoric on being tough, he shows that the Bush Administration has been fighting a war of mirrors with the press rather than organise effective curbs on terrorist financing. Equally, he shows how Saudia Arabia is only half-heartedly dealing with the internal problems it has because of the tensions between its autocratic rule and its fundamentalist state religion that condones Saudi punishments such as beheading and cutting off of hands for petty crimes.

.......


and so, it's just a matter of establishing (quite easy) who the Sauds really are.

all the Arabs know.

we don't for some reason.
i wonder why

it's not hard.

Dönmeh (Turkish: dönme) refers to a group of crypto-Jews in the Ottoman Empire and present-day Turkey who openly affiliated with Islam and secretly practiced a form of Judaism called Sabbateanism. The group originated during and soon after the era of Sabbatai Zevi, a 17th-century Jewish kabbalist who claimed to be the Messiah and eventually pretended to become a Muslim in order to escape punishment by the Sultan Mehmed IV. After Zevi's conversion, a number of Jews followed him into Islam and became the Dönmeh. Since the 20th century, many Dönmeh have intermarried with other groups and most have assimilated into Turkish society. Although a few still consider themselves Jews, the Dönmeh are not officially recognized as such by Jewish authorities.[1]

Dönmeh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


please comment if you would, Pete.
particularly on Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab & Wahhabism; The Saudi "Royal" Family.

please explain why you have a shallow and extremist view on all of this without ever just telling the truth and letting the chips fall where they may.



k thank you Pete (or anyone who will address this manufactured Clash of Civilizations)

 

[Drett]

This guy has already been consumed by his hatred Zone. He hates facts because facts cloud his judgement. You are a lot more patient than I.

 

[zone]

This guy has already been consumed by his hatred Zone. He hates facts because facts cloud his judgement. You are a lot more patient than I.

hey drett.
i have little patience with fake Christianity.
very little.

The Lord God Jesus Christ's Name is defamed and disgraced by the counterfeits.

.....

take care friend.
see you tomorrow perhaps.

please post on my new thread in the News Section if you would.
you're rational and informed.
it matters.
to me.

zone

 

[PeteWaldo]

thanks...i'll get to your reply shortly.

BUT

while i have your attention Pete....

why are you circulating propaganda Hoax photos and blaming an atrocity on Muslims?

I was fooled by the photo and article, because I had every reason to believe that it detailed just another church burned and just more Christians burned in Nigeria during the so-far 10 years of murder, mayhem and misery visited upon the Nigerians by Muslims - just like in much of the rest of Africa. With over 2 million people killed or displaced in the Sudan alone.
I believed the photo and article because I am a Christian that understands that 1.5 billion people in the world today are filled with the spirit of antichrist, as an article of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone, and understand what the the false prophet Muhammad commanded his followers to do through the Quran and Hadith, which includes emulating Muhammad's behavior:

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]
Sahih Bukhari B52 #177 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "the Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."[/FONT]

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"

Muhammad is the model for all true Muslims. I'll add bracketed words in the following to correct the political correctness. In this case they call African Muslims "rebels" the way the ignorant call Israeli Muslims "Palestinians", to hide the truth:

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, [Muslim] rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed [Muslim] Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local [Muslim] rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five [Muslim] militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

Zone, it is your blind rage and hatred of Israeli Jews, as a happenstance of the place of their birth, that has you partnered with forum Muslim Drett, in the one-sided denigration of Israeli Jews, and advancement of Islamic conquest of Israel, and subjugation of Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs to THE false prophet Muhammad's followers.
http://christianchat.com/christian-...rgentina-iran-bombing-probe-4.html#post965398

Because it's their job:

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

1.5 billion people that are commanded to conquer all kingdoms and subjugate all people to DISBELIEVING the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God and REJECTING His shed blood, as ARTICLES OF FAITH in THE false prophet Muhammad.

you know the one....

And what reason would a Christian have for not believing just another church burned, and more Christians burned, in Nigeria, with ten years running of Islamic conquest and subjugation of Nigeria, as well as Islamic conquest and slave making and trading in much of the rest of Africa.

Warning Graphic Photos - NIGERIA: Christian pastor and wife burned to death by Muslims > Citizens 4 Freedom

Nigerian President Defends Security Amid Reports of Slaughters - Religion Today Blog

Nigeria Leader: Islamists Won&#39;t Stop Christians From Worshiping - Religion Today Blog

15 Christians Have Throats Slit by Boko Haram Extremists in Northern Nigeria - Religion Today Blog


With 20,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since these folks began counting on 9-11 (since you seem to believe that George Bush blew up the WTC, and that the 2 planes crashing into the building a couple hours before was just some sort of a freaky accident unrelated to Islam, feel free to subtract 3,000 from that 20,000):

Islamic Terror Attacks for First Part of 2013
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Islamic Terror Attacks for 2012​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2011​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2010​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2009​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2008​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2007​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2006​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2005​

Islamic Terror Attacks for 2004
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Islamic Attacks from September 11th, 2001 through 2003​

Who but a self-deluded self-proclaimed Christian in a blind rage of hatred, would hate Jews that were born in Israel so much, that they felt compelled to join with antichrist Muslim anti-Zionists like Drett in advancing the Islamic conquest of Israel, and subjugation of Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs to the false prophet Muhammad's followers?
And just because you wish global Islamic conquest weren't a simple matter of fact, won't make it magically go away.
Like this Islamic conquest of Gaza that NON-ISRAELI anti-Zionists around the world, such as yourself, are responsible for by removing the protection of the Israeli Jewish State, from Christians in Gaza:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-13.html#post985301

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]From WND (please read the full article at the link): "'Arab Spring' becoming Nightmare For Christians":[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Christians can In the case of Ayyad, who managed the only Christian bookstore in Gaza, his body was discovered riddled with gunshot and stab wounds."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The witnesses said they saw three armed men, two of whom were wearing masks, beat Ayyad repeatedly with clubs and the butts of their guns while they accused him of attempting to spread Christianity in Gaza. The witnesses said that after sustaining the beating, Ayyad was shot by all three men."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]From WND "Christians warned: Accept Islamic law"[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Jihadia Salafiya and other Islamic movements will ensure Christian schools and institutions show publicly what they are teaching to be sure they are not carrying out missionary activity. No more alcohol on the streets. All women, including non-Muslims, need to understand they must be covered at all times while in public," Abu Asqer told WND.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"This missionary activity is endangering the entire Christian community in Gaza," he said.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Abu Saqer said Hamas "must work to impose an Islamic rule or it will lose the authority it has and the will of the people."[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"His comments come after gunmen on Sunday attacked Gaza's Latin Church and adjacent Rosary Sisters School, reportedly destroying crosses, bibles, pictures of Jesus and furniture and equipment. The attackers also stole a number of computers."[/FONT]
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[video=youtube;6fbXvq_ZIbw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw[/video]

False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists

Outline
Widely circulated message claims that an attached photograph shows the charred bodies of 500 Nigerian Christians burned in a massacre perpetrated by Muslim terrorists.

Brief Analysis
The photograph is genuine, but it does not show the aftermath of a terrorist attack, but rather the bodies of people burned in a fuel tanker explosion in the Democratic Republic of Congo. While Nigeria has a long and bloody history of religiously motivated violence, this explosion was a tragic accident and was not the work of Muslim terrorists. Nor was it in any way targeted at Christians. The claims in the protest message have no basis in fact.

Detailed Analysis
According to this message, which circulates via social media sites, blogs and email, a graphic image that travels with the message depicts the charred bodies of 500 Nigerian Christians burned in a religious orientated attack by Muslim terrorists. The message claims that the supposed massacre has been ignored by the mainstream media and that the story and picture were removed from Facebook in an apparent effort to keep information about the attack from being publicized.

However, the claims in this would-be protest message have no basis in fact. The photograph used in the message to illustrate the supposed massacre is genuine but it does not depict the aftermath of an attack by Islamic terrorists as claimed nor was the picture taken in Nigeria. In fact, the image shows the bodies of people killed in a massive petrol tanker explosion that occurred in the Democratic Republic of Congo in July 2010. A Reuters news article about the accident noted:

(Reuters) - At least 230 people were killed when a fuel tanker overturned and exploded in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo, unleashing a fire ball that tore through homes and cinemas packed with people watching World Cup soccer.

Officials said on Saturday the explosion late on Friday also injured 196 people, adding that the death toll could rise.

They described scenes of devastation in the town of Sange, where houses were burned and bodies littered the streets. Some people died while trying to steal fuel leaking from the tanker, but most were killed at home or watching World Cup soccer in cinemas.

Many articles about the explosion use the same image featured in the above protest message. Other news articles show the same scene after the bodies have been bagged and prepared for burial in mass graves.

The explosion was a result of a tragic accident and was certainly not a Muslim terrorist attack against Christians. Moreover, while there has been a long history of religiously motivated violence between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, there are no credible reports of a massacre like the one described in the above message. Thus, it seems that the creator of the message has taken an unrelated image and simply invented a story to go with it in an effort to further his or her own agenda.

And, the accusation in the message that the mainstream media deliberately ignores terrorist attacks against Christians is unfounded and actually rather silly. In fact, such attacks are extensively reported by news media all around the world on a regular basis. Furthermore, while Facebook may well have - quite legitimately - removed the image from its network because it was 'violent' or 'inappropriate' , the suggestion that the company has some deliberate policy of bowing to Islamic terrorists is nonsensical.

Telling outright lies to further a particular political or religious agenda is counterproductive and the dissemination of such inflammatory misinformation will do nothing more that add fuel to the fires of religious hatred and intolerance. And deliberately misusing an image showing bodies of accident victims to push a particular world view shows a callous and immoral disregard for both the victims and their families.


False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists < click

 

[PeteWaldo]

yes, it's Talmud Time.

we'll compare Koran to Talmud and we'll see who is holier.

k?

Certainly not a surprise that you would choose to compare books that Jews do not consider inspired, to the Quran that all Muslims are required to believe is not only inspired, but the direct words of (Muhammad's alter-ego) "Allah".

Quran Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Only a liar would compare the Quran that Muslims consider inspired, with anything other than the Torah and books that Jews consider inspired, which also happen to be part of the Christian Bible.

Do Jews go around assigning the book of Mormon to Zone and declare that Zone believes that God lives near a planet or star called Kolob and we came to earth in space ships, and will each rule our own planet some day? No, because Torah following, YHWH worshiping Jews, are decent folks. Nor would any faithful Spirit filled Jew call Jesus accursed.

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Just as you falsely accuse, and falsely assign beliefs to Christians in this forum, so you desire to do the same to YHWH worshiping Spirit filled Jews.
It is interesting to note that when we do a search on the internet like - Jesus in the Talmud - what we find are Jews patiently explaining how they don't consider the Talmud to be inspired, or part of their worship, and even whether there is actually reference to Jesus in the Talmud or not.
What we also find are sites by self-proclaimed Christians like David Duke and the KKK, Ted Pike and his followers, as well as skinheads and Nazis assigning the Talmud to Jews.
Those that participate in such perhaps deserve the same fate that Talmud thumping Ted Pike and his wife suffered.

 

[PeteWaldo]

This guy has already been consumed by his hatred Zone. He hates facts because facts cloud his judgement. You are a lot more patient than I.

My friend, it is the followers of the false prophet Muhammad that must run and hide from facts. And the sooner you face that simple truth, the sooner you can put a little effort into addressing your eternity. Why not revisit this link to this post? http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-11.html#post966935

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

 

[PeteWaldo]

k thank you Pete (or anyone who will address this manufactured Clash of Civilizations)

Re the "manufactured Clash of Civilizations", in Nigeria alone. This is why it is so easy for a Christian to believe just another 500 Christians could be murdered in Nigeria by THE false prophet Muhammad's followers (not counting in the rest of Islamic conquest of African countries, Malaysia, Indonesia and everywhere else suffering the murder, mayhem and misery of the hand of Muhammad's antichrist anti-Zionist true followers. I'll just copy and paste a taste of that available on the link (first number is killed and second number wounded). Best viewed on link:

nigeriacalabash.com

12/28/2012

[TD="colspan: 4"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Musari[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 15[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] Islamists tie up fifteen women and children inside a church, then slit their throats while shouting praises to Allah.[/TD]

12/2/2012

[TD="colspan: 4"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Chibok[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 10[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] Religion of Peace proponents invade a Christian village in the middle of the night and massacre ten residents.[/TD]

Two suicide bombers massacre fifteen worshippers at a Protestant church.

[TD="colspan: 3"]11/25/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Jaji[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 15[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 30[/TD]

Thirty people are left dead when Muslims resolve a "land dispute" by massacring thirty Christian villagers, mostly women and children.

[TD="colspan: 3"]10/14/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Yogbo[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 30[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"][/TD]

Three children and their mother are among over a dozen Christians are slaughtered during a Muslim raid on their village.

[TD="colspan: 3"]10/10/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Riyom[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 14[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 5[/TD]

At least twenty-six Christian students are singled out and executed by Islamists at their campus. Some are shot, others have their throats cut.

[TD="colspan: 3"]10/2/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Mubi[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 26[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 15[/TD]

Sharia proponents enter a church and open up on members with machine-guns, slaughtering at least nineteen, including the pastor.

[TD="colspan: 3"]8/6/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Okene[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 20[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 9[/TD]

Two politicians are among twenty-three Christians, including women and children, slaughtered by Muslims during a funeral for other victims of Islamic terror.

[TD="colspan: 3"]7/8/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Barkin-Ladi[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 23[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 1[/TD]

Muslim terrorists attack twelve Christian villages and massacre eighty innocents, including fifty taking refuge in a church.

[TD="colspan: 3"]7/7/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Kushen[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 80[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 300[/TD]

Holy Warriors walk into two church services and detonate, leaving over thirty worshipers dead in the carnage, including at least ten children.

[TD="colspan: 3"]6/17/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Zaria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 34[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 125[/TD]

A Holy Warrior runs his car into a church service and detonates, taking out over twenty praying Christians. The responsible group later thanks Allah for the victory.

[TD="colspan: 3"]6/3/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Bauchi[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 21[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 45[/TD]

Sixteen Christians, including professors and doctors, are massacred by Islamists, who bomb their church service and then shoot them in the back as they try to flee.

[TD="colspan: 3"]4/29/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Kano[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 16[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 22[/TD]

A suicide car bomber detonates outside a church celebrating Easter. Nearly forty people lose their lives in the carnage.

[TD="colspan: 3"]4/8/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Kaduna[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 41[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 33[/TD]

A suicide bomber detonates at a Catholic church during mass, killing at least eleven worshippers.

[TD="colspan: 3"]3/11/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Jos[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 11[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 22[/TD]

Women and children comprise the bulk of twenty-one members of a Christian farming community slaughtered by Fulani 'mercenaries' wielding machetes and burning homes.

[TD="colspan: 3"]3/4/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Benue[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 21[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 13[/TD]

Twenty Christians gathered for a funeral are machine-gunned at close range by Muslims shouting 'Allah Akbar'.

[TD="colspan: 3"]1/6/2012[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Mubi[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 20[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 15[/TD]

Religion of Peace bombers strike a Catholic church during a morning Christmas mass, slaughtering forty-five worshippers.

[TD="colspan: 3"]12/25/2011[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Madalla[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 45[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 73[/TD]

Two-hundred militants shout 'Allah Akbar' as they slaughter one-hundred and fifty in a bombing and shooting rampage that targeted six churches and a police station. At least one-hundred and thirty of their victims were Christian.

[TD="colspan: 3"]11/4/2011[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Potiskum[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 150[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 200[/TD]

Angry Muslims go on a two-day bender, torching over forty churches and hacking and burning over three hundred Christians to death.

[TD="colspan: 3"] 4/19/2011
[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Nigeria [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] Kaduna [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"] 321 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 3"] 575 [/TD]

Etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum in this "manufactured Clash of Civilizations" ALL of which of course have nothing whatsoever to do with Zionism or Jews.

"Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari" - Maktba Dar-us-Salam's page 580

Chapter 2. The best among the people is that believer who strives his utmost in Allah's Cause with both his life and property.

footnotes:
[1] "Al-Jihad (the holy fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of number and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior, [His Word being La ilaha ill-Allah (which means: none has the right to be worshipped by Allah] and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; there honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfill this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.

[2] Of course, nobody can offer Salat (prayer) and observe Saum (fast) incessantly, and since the Muslim fighter is rewarded as if he was doing such good impossible deeds, no possible deed equals Jihad in reward.

 

[zone]

I was fooled by the photo and article, because I had every reason to believe....

i didn't see any remorse or apology in that mess.
just excuses for your evil doings.

do you plan to make amends in some way?

Muslims didn't burn those people to death like YOU said they did.

(and they didn't do 9-11)

~

do you plan to apologize?

you were fooled because you WANT all that to be true. i know who you are.

i know you'll never apologize to Muslims (who are human beings, by the way...created in God's image and fallen sinners in need of Christ) for your false witness....

but do you plan to make it right with the Christians you've misled?

time will tell.

i'm keeping an eye on your internet activity anyway...so God and one other person will know.

on to the rest of your rants i guess. ugh....

 

[zone]

I was fooled by the photo and article, because I had every reason to believe that it detailed just another church burned

you had no reason to believe it.
it was a deliberate LIE.

where's the Holy Spirit working in you Pete?

the Spirit of Truth?

I believed the photo and article because I am a Christian that understands that 1.5 billion people in the world today are filled with the spirit of antichrist

pathetic.

only Muslims are antichrist, eh?

you've never believed what Bible says...have you.

NO ONE who denies the Son (Jesus of Nazareth) has the Father. NO ONE.

ALL have sinned and fallen short of God's Glory.

I believed the photo and article because I am a Christian that understands that 1.5 billion people in the world today are filled with the spirit of antichrist

The world population is the total number of living humans on Earth. As of today, it is estimated to number 7.079 billion by the United States Census Bureau (USCB).[1] The USCB estimates that the world population exceeded 7 billion on March 12, 2012.[2]

World population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

how dare you mix Christ's Name in as an excuse for perpetuating a lie?
isn't there enough lying going on?

how come you don't want to talk about a HUGE lie foisted on us all after WW2?
can you do it?
i can....

do you know how much damage you xtian zionists are doing in THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST?

you're GREEN LIGHTING more and more killing, torture and death....because you act like you don't know who Israel is.
maybe you truly don't. either way, you guys are the most dangerous people on the planet.

the Gospel is what restrains this stuff.
and what do you put out?

Pam Geller garbage.

let's see how you excuse the Jewish State for it's crimes...i'm sure you try.

 

[PeteWaldo]

i didn't see any remorse or apology in that mess.
just excuses for your evil doings.

do you plan to make amends in some way?

Muslims didn't burn those people to death like YOU said they did.

(and they didn't do 9-11)

~

do you plan to apologize?

Thank you! I did forget, because I meant to apologize to all forum members, and to thank you in particular for pointing that out to me so I could remove it from the website I had included it on.
Indeed it was a very valuable exercise, since in the process I also realized that the sheer volume of Islamic terrorist attacks around the world is a far greater testament to the true followers of the false prophet Muhammad, than any isolated incident.
Following the one of the most consummate - and conveniently self-admitted terrorists - in human history, THE false prophet Muhammad.

Sura 8:12I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."

you were fooled because you WANT all that to be true. i know who you are.

i know you'll never apologize to Muslims (who are human beings, by the way...created in God's image and fallen sinners in need of Christ) for your false witness....

but do you plan to make it right with the Christians you've misled?

time will tell.

i'm keeping an eye on your internet activity anyway...so God and one other person will know.

on to the rest of your rants i guess. ugh....

Of course you guess "ugh" as an anti-Zionist partial preterist, since those are your fellow anti-Zionist peeps, and partner in your one-sided attacks against Israel in this forum (to the detriment of Israeli Jews, Christians and non-Muslim Arabs).