What about Adam ?

[svedbygrace]

Have you ever wondered that if Adam would not have sinned, and lived a perfect sin free life, if He would have inherited eternal life ?


If Adam [Mankind] had remained unfallen, without transgression, then He nor men in him could have entered that Kingdom of Eternal Glory to which all believers in Christ were destined before the foundation Matt 25:34

34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

2 Tim 4:18

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

At best, the life we had in Adam was earthly 1 Cor 15:46-50

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So if Adam would have continued perfect in the flesh and blood he was created in, He could not inherit the kingdom of God, prepared for the sheep from the foundation, remember, at his best, Adam was still flesh and blood..

Hebrews 2 :14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood [In Adam], he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

And scripture says this 1 Cor 15:50

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So Man at His best unfallen state in flesh and blood, cannot inherit the kingdom of God..

As Jesus said, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God, even Adam, in His unfallen state needed to be born again if He was to inherit the Kingdom of Glory..

 

[crossnote]

If if Adam had done this instead of that? What was God's plan? ....i got nuthin...

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

The question I often ask is, why didn't Adam say I'm sorry, please forgive me. There is no evidence in the bible that they ever repented or gave sacrifice in faith of the redeemer promised. I guess that after walking with God in perfection their guilt held them back.

 

[crossnote]

The question I often ask is, why didn't Adam say I'm sorry, please forgive me. There is no evidence in the bible that they ever repented or gave sacrifice in faith of the redeemer promised. I guess that after walking with God in perfection their guilt held them back.

That is very interesting. The whole concept of grace and forgiveness is alien to the natural (fallen) mind (which Adam and Eve had after their fall)...it has to be taught. In this case I believe God was the First Mover by slaying the animal and clothing their nakedness; thus teaching them a representing of a gracious covering for sin.

 

[svedbygrace]

So if Adam would have continued perfect in the flesh and blood he was created in, He could not inherit the kingdom of God, prepared for the sheep from the foundation, remember, at his best, Adam was still flesh and blood..

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

So if Adam would have continued perfect in the flesh and blood he was created in, He could not inherit the kingdom of God, prepared for the sheep from the foundation, remember, at his best, Adam was still flesh and blood..

Adam was perfect and knew no sin. He was naked and knew it not and lived in utopia. Walked with God personally in the cool of the day All creation cry's out for that.

 

[RedTent]

Adam was sinless and did not know death. When he knew good and evil he was changed so he could die. That is what is meant by saying that we are born in sin, we know sin and sin means death. Christ saves us from our sin and in that way we are not under death (sin) but have life through Christ.

 

[Blain]

You know adam and eve sinning cause the world to be destined for death. Now think about this- the devil tricked them into sinning thinking he is going to foil god's plan. But what if god knew all this would happen before even creating the earth? What if every move the devil ever made or will make god knew would happen? what if before creation god had already created a counter for evry moved man or the devil would ever make. What if in the fathers eyes we are already home with him because he is all knowing and see's very very far

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

All I'm Saying is why didn't Adam repent or why was it not recorded if he did. One has to wonder, of course God knew. The lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. But one would think that a man that was in perfection would have al least thought to ask for forgiveness.

 

[hopesprings]

oh...thats good crossnote...

 

[Blain]

Well, we don't know for certain he didn't. the bible doesn't say it sure but it doesn't really tell a lot about their lives aftwards either.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Imean the first thing God did was kill an animal to cover their nakedness right. The promise was given. But, according to the bible man did not call on the name of the Lord till Seth was grown.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Have you ever wondered that if Adam would not have sinned, and lived a perfect sin free life, if He would have inherited eternal life ?

Indeed, but then I don't wonder without also getting into God's spirit and asking God for the answers.

If Adam [Mankind] had remained unfallen, without transgression, then He nor men in him could have entered that Kingdom of Eternal Glory to which all believers in Christ were destined before the foundation Matt 25:34

34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

So you think that God merely placed that tree of life in the garden to tease Adam? No, that tree of life was that already prepared kingdom into which if Adam had remained faithful he would have entered to take dominion over this earth. Not by fleshly inheritance, but by God's blessing of well done toward Adam's faithful obedience (which is the root description of faith) as that faithful obedience would have resulted in Adam's completed holiness in the image of God.

That is why Adam and Eve had not begun having children yet, until after they sinned. They were being groomed in their spirit to holiness, prepared to eat of the tree of life, which Gen 3:22 makes it clear they had not yet been given to eat of.

2 Tim 4:18

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Yes, Jesus is now the "last Adam" (1 Corinthians 15:45), taking the place of the first Adam who proved unfaithful. And we know the last Adam will never fail us as the first did.

At best, the life we had in Adam was earthly 1 Cor 15:46-50

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Adam was first natural as he needed yet to be perfected to a completed holiness in his spirit before he would be blessed to eat of the tree of life. But he proved unfaithful.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

That is true because it is faithful obedience leading to the perfecting of holiness to our spirit even as that was how it was to work for the first Adam if he would have remained faithful. Not because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, but because it cannot inherit it. It can only be obtained by perfecting our spirit to holiness through faithful obedience to God walking after God's spirit. And that was even true for the first Adam.

So if Adam would have continued perfect in the flesh and blood he was created in, He could not inherit the kingdom of God, prepared for the sheep from the foundation, remember, at his best, Adam was still flesh and blood..

Hebrews 2 :14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood [In Adam], he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Yes, he rescued us. He saved us from Adam's sin and he is saving us from our sin but only if we reject the first Adam's independent course and submit back to faithful obedience to God walking after God's spirit.

And scripture says this 1 Cor 15:50

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So Man at His best unfallen state in flesh and blood, cannot inherit the kingdom of God..

That is right. Flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom nor could Adam inherit the right to eat from the tree of life there in the garden and live forever. Only faithful obedience and following the lead of God's spirit to the point of holiness in our spirit can do that. It is quite evident from Gen. 3:22 that Adam had not yet been allowed to eat of that tree of life.

As Jesus said, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God, even Adam, in His unfallen state needed to be born again if He was to inherit the Kingdom of Glory..

Adam's flesh was created and then God set about to perfect Adam's spirit to a completed holiness. The first Adam however chose to fall away from that process in him, thus we were born after the model of the corrupted first Adam and we definitely need to be born again in our spirit.

Once we do, then God will give us our new bodies. The flesh of the first Adam will be gone with the first Adam. Sin and death will then have been defeated.

I would have gone into more detail but that you made this so lengthy.

 

[Laodicea]

Adam & Eve before they sinned had access to the tree of life. God gave them permission to eat of any tree except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam & Eve already had eternal life but it was conditional. They were created to live not die.

 

[crossnote]

Adam & Eve before they sinned had access to the tree of life. God gave them permission to eat of any tree except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam & Eve already had eternal life but it was conditional. They were created to live not die.

True they had access but we don't know if they actually partook, I tend to think not.

 

[Laodicea]

True they had access but we don't know if they actually partook, I tend to think not.

People lived a long time a result of eating from the tree of life. They language of chapter 3 suggests they did eat of it. After they sinned they were stopped from eating from it, suggesting they had already eaten from it. If they would have eaten from it after they sinned then there could be no hope of redemption.

 

[Cobus]

Adam WAS in the Kingdom of God and already had etermnal life and holiness and perfection FOREVER... it was the sin that changed the situation.. How can Adam inherit what he already had... God walked with ADAM every evening... And God said... if you eat you shall die... So if Adam did not eat, he would not have died but remained pure and holy and perfect.. VERY GOOD the lord said...

So Adam was part of the Kingdom of God, but he LOST is when he sinned, the same today... EVERY person that is of the Kingdom of God is like ADAM was before he sinned... Perfect and without sin and had ALREADY inherited the Kingdom... We enter into God's glory and Kingdom here, that is why Jesus said.... If My Kingdom was from here on earth, my people would have fought for it, but they do not, because they are NO FROM A KINGDOM ON EARTH...

Some deep stuff here, but it does make perfetly sence... Jesus NEVER apposed the ill will against Him, His revenge cometh later... and not to teh ones IN HIM!

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Adam & Eve before they sinned had access to the tree of life. God gave them permission to eat of any tree except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam & Eve already had eternal life but it was conditional. They were created to live not die.

Genesis 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.."

So you are saying that Adam lives forever?

Simple logic tells us that despite God's judgement of death to him, if Adam could live forever by getting to that tree of life and taking eat of it, then he could never have eaten from it.

What you are noting is that God did not need to warn Adam not to eat of the tree of life because that is not where the woeful temptation was of deciding for himself what was good or evil.

The tree of life represented holy alignment with God in it's fullest sense.

It is right there at Genesis 3:22 so that we cannot reasonably deny it.

 

[svedbygrace]

kar

Yes, he rescued us.

You failed to understand what I said here !

So if Adam would have continued perfect in the flesh and blood he was created in, He could not inherit the kingdom of God, prepared for the sheep from the foundation, remember, at his best, Adam was still flesh and blood..

 

[svedbygrace]

cob

Adam WAS in the Kingdom of God and already had etermnal life and holiness

Thats not true, please provide scripture for this statement !