What about Adam ?

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He would have been in perfect sync with God and therefore wouldn't have jumped. It's our separation from God that causes missteps and other wrong choices.
Yes well accidents happens. What would happen then? My guess is the fall was foreseen long ago.
 
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They didn't partake of the tree of life. Indeed, this is the ultimate reason why God drives them out of the garden: "See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever." (Genesis 3:22)

True they had access but we don't know if they actually partook, I tend to think not.
 
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laod

You should have quoted the next text as well.
So Adam did not Love God, he was a sinner at creation and could not obey God ! The Temptation by the serpent brought it to light !
 
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Before the Fall, Adam and Eve were in perfect union with God. God walked in the garden and communed with them. This is how it was supposed to be, and will be for us in Glory. Christ, as a man, was God's solution to the problem of sin. Our faith in Jesus as Christ, through the Grace of God the Father takes us back to where we were in the Garden. Jesus already existed, it was he who was the creator of the universe, because God spoke creation, and Christ is the Word made flesh, come as a ransom for many.
 

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That is very interesting. The whole concept of grace and forgiveness is alien to the natural (fallen) mind (which Adam and Eve had after their fall)...it has to be taught. In this case I believe God was the First Mover by slaying the animal and clothing their nakedness; thus teaching them a representing of a gracious covering for sin.
I thought they covered themselves with fig leaves.
 
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Matt 25:34


Matt 25:34

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

This Kingdom was prepared for these blessed ones before Adam was created, for they were to inherit it by virtue of their election in Christ, having been made joint heirs with Him, for Christ, before the creation of the worlds [ages] was the rightful Heir of all things Heb 1:2

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This was in Eternity Past, before He created us in Adam. This means that the world, the universe, was founded for Mans existence to fulfill God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus our Lord Eph 3:11

11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

For you see, Adam was created subservient to God's Eternal Purpose in Christ, whereas False religion is building upon the foundation that the Eternal Purpose of Christ was subservient to and a back up plan to God's purpose for Adam. Yet we never read in scripture about God having a Eternal Purpose in Adam ?? If God's Eternal Purpose was in Christ Jesus, how could Adam's creation had been God's Purpose before Christ ? This is just man centered thinking in spite of what scripture says about Christ.33
 
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Adam was made to "till the soil." In otherwords, he was to bring forth the fruit of the ground.6 days he was given this work.
 
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Here is what God thought about the situation BEFORE Adam sinned.... And AFTER!...
In Genesis we read God claim that His creation was GOOD. And it was... And then God made man IN HIS IMAGE, Likeness and God said... VERY GOOD... So obviously God found it VERY GOOD! The rich man asked Jesus.... GOOD MASTER... why callest thou ME good, only GOD IS GOOD... But th rich man asked about the Kingdom, and Jesus said... thou want to be perfect.. Adam was perfect, Adam was part of God's Kingdom, like EDEN....


Jesus said... FATHER I WANT THEM TO BE WHERE I AM... John 17... AND THAT THEY BEHLD MY GLORY.... Adam had that GLORY.... And Glory is ONLY IN GOD'S KINGDOM....

If you need more Scripture and explaination I would gladly walk with you through God's Word and then you can see the KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND... WE can ENTER ANYTIME GOD ALLOWS US IN! ...ONE with God is IN THE KINGDOM... John 17. Eph 4.

Kardi we agree on so many topics, there is only a few we still have to harmonise in the Word...

You are a great gain as a brother.... God bless you my friend. Do we not PRAY...FAther let thou Kingdom come... You think He listened to some about this? Yes HE DID... Jesus said they ARE NOT OF THE WORLD... then where are they from then? God's Kingdom... ALL HOLY PEOPLE!

And after Adam sinned God was not happy...
I am not disputing that the entire earth was a part of God's kingdom at that time. There is no unholiness until there is sin. So Adam was holy but had not yet clothed that holiness with incorruptibility. That is why some simply say that the tree of life represents God's granting immorality.

And, yes, we can enter that kingdom of God spiritually right now if we rid our spirit of sin so that it is holy as was Adam's before he sinned.

And that is the travesty of failing to understand the purpose of God's grace and salvation.

The entire process of leading Israel through the wilderness, chastising them and setting them straight as to how they ought to walk, that entire process was salvation in progress. But it was not finished salvation.

That is part of the foreshadow which God used the nation of Israel to show to us. We are right now as those Israelis, being led through the wilderness of this world, and so we can say that God has blessed us and is blessing us with salvation. But we ought to not act and speak as though our salvation is finished, for it will not be finished until we have clothed ourselves with incorruptibility.

1 Corinthians 9:25 "And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible."

1 Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

1 Corinthians 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible [seed], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Being born again was not finished by the outpouring of the holy spirit. Being born again was began by the outpouring of the holy spirit. But we must keep our eyes focused on the goal of the incorruptibility of a completed salvation, else we will become satisfied and cease growing to achieve that goal and, even worse, we risk faltering back to our old ways.

This race is kind of like climbing up a sandy mountain side. One tends to start sliding back down the moment they cease moving upward. But while vessels that prefer sin exist it is good that the sand is on the sides of the mountain because it's slippery nature keeps all off of that mountain that do not really desire it enough to keep moving upward in their faith.
 

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Adam WAS in the Kingdom of God and already had etermnal life and holiness and perfection FOREVER... it was the sin that changed the situation.. How can Adam inherit what he already had... God walked with ADAM every evening... And God said... if you eat you shall die... So if Adam did not eat, he would not have died but remained pure and holy and perfect.. VERY GOOD the lord said...

So Adam was part of the Kingdom of God, but he LOST is when he sinned, the same today... EVERY person that is of the Kingdom of God is like ADAM was before he sinned... Perfect and without sin and had ALREADY inherited the Kingdom... We enter into God's glory and Kingdom here, that is why Jesus said.... If My Kingdom was from here on earth, my people would have fought for it, but they do not, because they are NO FROM A KINGDOM ON EARTH...

Some deep stuff here, but it does make perfetly sence... Jesus NEVER apposed the ill will against Him, His revenge cometh later... and not to teh ones IN HIM!
Bold. Now you have written that do you still believe you cannot lose the gift of eternal life?

Remember the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
 

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Yes well accidents happens. What would happen then? My guess is the fall was foreseen long ago.
That is true and as God is omniscient He will have known about the fall of man which is why he made a way of escape.

Noah is a good example of how we can escape the wrath of God and ALL men had the same opportunity.
 
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A corruptible Life

The Life that the elect had in Adam in the beginning was a corruptible life, capable of and indeed became corruption. ; But that life God had prepared for His chosen people for eternity was incorruptible per 1 Pet 1:4

4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

This life had to come through the Last Adam, and they [ elect] had to be born of His incorruptible seed instead of Adam's corruptible seed 1 Pet 1:23

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Adam's seed was corruptible as was evidenced in the garden Gen 3, Christ seed was incorruptible as evidenced in the Christ temptation lk 4.

The elect had been chosen in Christ [ The Last Adam] before they had been created in the First Adam, because the Last Adam, though not manifested first [ 1 Jn 3:5,8] He did exist first, and He existed as the head of His body, the church Col 1:16-18

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


The elect by the wisdom of God, had incorruptible life given them first in Christ their preexisting head, before they were given corruptible life in their earthly head Adam.60
 
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I think everyone inherits eternal life. I think that has always been the case.
 
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UUUMMMM Jesus is the tree of life.
Dah, so would the first Adam have been a tree of life to us had he remained faithful and put incoruptibility on in his spirit.

But to Adam, that tree in the garden represented that goal and the gift of immortality which would come of putting on that incorruption.

Jesus wears that incoruptibility and he made the most excellent replacement of the first Adam to us for that reason.

Jesus is most definitely our tree of life in place of the one we lost in the first Adam. That is why 1 Cor. 15:45 calls Jesus the last Adam.

Knowledge is called the tree of life in Proverbs: Proverbs 3:13,18 "Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. ..... She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her."

And the following is how Jesus is our tree of life: Proverbs 11:30 "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise."

Jesus is the perfect righteousness of God toward us! Wisdom and understanding is what he represents to us so that we can know how to obey and honor God. It gives birth to incorruptible holiness if we commit to Jesus.
 
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A corruptible Life

The Life that the elect had in Adam in the beginning was a corruptible life, capable of and indeed became corruption. ; But that life God had prepared for His chosen people for eternity was incorruptible per 1 Pet 1:4

4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

This life had to come through the Last Adam, and they [ elect] had to be born of His incorruptible seed instead of Adam's corruptible seed 1 Pet 1:23

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Adam's seed was corruptible as was evidenced in the garden Gen 3, Christ seed was incorruptible as evidenced in the Christ temptation lk 4.

The elect had been chosen in Christ [ The Last Adam] before they had been created in the First Adam, because the Last Adam, though not manifested first [ 1 Jn 3:5,8] He did exist first, and He existed as the head of His body, the church Col 1:16-18

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


The elect by the wisdom of God, had incorruptible life given them first in Christ their preexisting head, before they were given corruptible life in their earthly head Adam.60
Ponder a bit deeper.

We go through changes in how we see things and we grow if we don't make the mistake of writing too quickly what we believe in stone.

That is normal to us all.

If you pay attention to the plural Greek pronouns, you can figure out that it is the group that is chosen from the beginning of man's fall (which was before the world began with the birth of their first child). The individual elect God searches out as time goes along.

Would you like me to show that to you?
 
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Post 52 ! You quoted the post, but did you understand the points I made ?
LOL.

Sorry about that! I clicked on the wrong post!!! I thought I was commenting on another post and having read that post beforehand, I didn't read what I had placed into edit.

I must be tired. LOL.

I was up all night and day so I am definitely tired.