A plea from a Satanist

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cora

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a different perspective is always nice but why did you come here to ask how "to come out" to your friends? You had to know you wouldn't get what you wanted. I dont even know you but as a christian and a person i love you as you are but i pity your soul because you dont know the true joys of the Lord i admit it was very hard for me because i didnt want to be a " a goody goody" i hated the hugs and all the fake smiles etc but once i gave the dude upstairs a chance i found ways to follow him and not be that preppy house mom. Im still a metal head have peircings and wear a lot of black clothing but i have a different view of life i love it! hikin and camping and sharing music with a good message is what i live for as long as it has a heavy riff to it lol i find you confusing
 

Yer

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If you kneel to the tyrant he would be your master how do you not see this? Even though you command yourself to kneel he had commanded you to kneel or die so in a way you obeyed and pledged your allegiance to the tyrant who would take the action of kneeling as your are now his servant and dont want to die so you will obey the tyrant so he does not take your life so what is " i am my own master" about that?
The fact that in the first opportunity I get, I will betray him and exact my revenge. He has invited my wrath by threatening something I care about. I will treat him without mercy, the second I believe I can get away with it unscathed. He is no master of me, though I would cooperate temporarily to preserve my own life.
 

Yer

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a different perspective is always nice but why did you come here to ask how "to come out" to your friends? You had to know you wouldn't get what you wanted. I dont even know you but as a christian and a person i love you as you are but i pity your soul because you dont know the true joys of the Lord i admit it was very hard for me because i didnt want to be a " a goody goody" i hated the hugs and all the fake smiles etc but once i gave the dude upstairs a chance i found ways to follow him and not be that preppy house mom. Im still a metal head have peircings and wear a lot of black clothing but i have a different view of life i love it! hikin and camping and sharing music with a good message is what i live for as long as it has a heavy riff to it lol i find you confusing
I hike, camp, sing, dance, hug, smile, and absolutely love my life. Metal's a bit too dark for my tastes; I prefer trance and 60s-70s rock. The difference is that I don't feel forced to give any fake smiles or hugs; all of mine are genuine. :) Don't feel pity because I haven't found happiness with the your lord; I've found mass amounts of it elsewhere, friend. There's nothing hard about my life, and that's just the way I like it. :) Happy to see that you're happy, or whatever, but I don't agree with your choices as you don't agree with mine. Fake hug? <3
 
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cora

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Do you think that the tyrant would not know your heart and true intentions? Being a tyrant how do you suppose he got to the position in the first place? Out of fear of losing your life you kneel to him yet you are angry at the same time and filled with fear of loosing your precious life he would see that would he not? On another point the tyrant would be your master if even a short while so in essence you give up your mastery, but if you lived for Christ and truly believe he is your deliverer you would not hold so dear your life, you would be happy to greet Him in eternal life. Either way you go someone is your master there is always a law to follow or rules, your desires, fantasies, actions, thoughts etc.. are your masters your body is your master because it cannot live without food and water your heart is your master that beats with life and desires the law is your master because they tell you what you can and cant do do you get my point? there is always something you worship or idol it is what you choose that matters we are never our own masters. It is what or whom you choose to obey, in a sense we can be part master but not fully and we always pay or have consequences for those actions.
 

posthuman

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The fact that in the first opportunity I get, I will betray him and exact my revenge. He has invited my wrath by threatening something I care about. I will treat him without mercy, the second I believe I can get away with it unscathed. He is no master of me, though I would cooperate temporarily to preserve my own life.
oh then you get to be the sith lord!
groovy.

you know what will happen once you take an apprentice though, don't you?
 
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cora

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i would give you a real hug even though i believe you are lost no one ever truly agrees, we would never have conversations or discussions if the world was perfect
 

Yer

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oh then you get to be the sith lord!
groovy.

you know what will happen once you take an apprentice though, don't you?

You quote Star Wars.



....I like this one.
 

Yer

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the law is your master because they tell you what you can and cant do do you get my point?
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It is what or whom you choose to obey, in a sense we can be part master but not fully and we always pay or have consequences for those actions.
The law is not my master, because I follow it only when it works out better for me.

I don't pay for any of my actions but totally accidental mistakes, like feeling bad that I stepped on a crab while walking and killed it. I would pity it.

My beliefs state that everything a person does is neutral, because it's something that that person wants to do. I never regret any of my actions, because I know that they are neutral to me. Where, you might feel regret, I feel none. I feel bad after I make a mistake, but I never regret a deliberate choice.

Unlike a Christian, regretting cheating on his wife. I either don't cheat, as to not incite the wrath of my partner, or I do it and be just as proud of it as any other thing I choose to do. You would regret something like that, which is... just fine for you I guess. :)
 

Yer

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Okay, now I'm really off to bed. 9AM, sun's been up too long, *Yawn.* Peace out! :)
 
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Ecclesiastik

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a different perspective is always nice but why did you come here to ask how "to come out" to your friends? You had to know you wouldn't get what you wanted. I dont even know you but as a christian and a person i love you as you are but i pity your soul because you dont know the true joys of the Lord i admit it was very hard for me because i didnt want to be a " a goody goody" i hated the hugs and all the fake smiles etc but once i gave the dude upstairs a chance i found ways to follow him and not be that preppy house mom. Im still a metal head have peircings and wear a lot of black clothing but i have a different view of life i love it! hikin and camping and sharing music with a good message is what i live for as long as it has a heavy riff to it lol i find you confusing
Your testimony concerns me. The way you describe your religion sounds like a phase or a fad.
 
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LegendaryXD

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Those I cooperate with are not my masters.

The sleeping bear is not my master, when I decide not to poke him with a stick, for fear of his wrath.

The tyrant is not my master when he says "kneel or die" and I kneel to him.

For my pride does not turn to stupidity. It would be counterproductive to my life to not kneel, and so I command myself to kneel.

No matter what your actions, you are never forced but by your own will. When you attribute that will to another being, you are using a scapegoat. Notice how, in every religion, the God or Gods each individual worships tend to coincide with their own desires. I simply admit this truth, where others choose to ignore it, which is their unfortunate right.

I do not kneel to a God, because I don't believe his wrath exists.
I don't think you get it..... it does not matter who you poke, because your morals are just a right as their. That is the problem with humans morals. I should be allowed to poke you all I want without the fear of consequences because it makes me happy and it feels right.
 
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cora

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Your testimony concerns me. The way you describe your religion sounds like a phase or a fad.
Seriously? Been reborn for gong on 5 years, The lord has saved me from a life without my daughter with being one step in front of the enemy. He has helped me in becoming sober after being a sever alcoholic for almost 5 yr , i quit doing drugs and started a life with God, i have been stalked for 5 yrs now with man that was abusive and was trying to take my daughter for thinking he could force me to marry him for his green card, now my family is safe because of the LORD, the Lord has healed me from an allergy that almost killed me 5 time know what anaphylactic shock is? Throat swells up can breath, break out is full body hives with sever swelling after the first few times it sets in faster and benidryl doesnt work ass effective after the 2nd time, in one of these the LORD reminded me of my history of panic attack where i hyperventilated if i hadnt of put a washcloth over my mouth to slow my breathing and my mother hadnt of called a cab when she did id be dead but yet the LORD saved my life in his timing. I wasnt going to go to the er but as it was i had a needle in my neck full of steroids to open my lungs so what is it your saying is a fad or phase about my christianity please further your accusations
 
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**Preface: I know there's a rule against things that are offensive... I hope this isn't. I wont hold any grudges if this thread or my account is deleted. I'm new here, first post, but I hope I can eventually prove to be a productive asset to this community.**

Hello! I'm Yer. I've been a Satanist since I was roughly 11 years old, and I'm currently nearing my 21st birthday. I've kept my religion a secret to all but my closest friends, because most of my friends are Christian, and... I'm afraid of abuse. I always get this idea, from movies and the like, that Satanism is this evil thing which people are supposed to hate, and exorcise, which involves freaky rituals and wicked magic. That's not what it is to me, and I'd say I'm a decent guy. I volunteer at a local animal shelter, I help out fund raisers for a National Park, and I'm the most polite person I know... I'm just so afraid that if I start admitting that this is what I believe, openly, I'll be... looked at a different way. My parents don't even know; I'm so afraid. ...And mostly alone.

My question to you is, if you had a friend, not so much a close one, but an acquaintance, and he came out as a Satanist, how would you, personally, react, as a Christian? What if it was your *child*? I don't like hiding this about myself, but I don't really want to go back to Christianity. I just need some reassurance that I wouldn't be... hated. Or would I? Should I keep this to myself? I'm so conflicted, and it surprises me that a Christian forum is a place I feel like I can ask for advise.
I'm curious as to why you didn't go to your "satanic church" to get advice, since their way is more clear & simple to you?

What would your "church" think if they found out you came to us instead?

It's like a christian going to a JW for advice. Makes no sense at all...... unless you're a troll. :rolleyes:
 
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Ugly

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Simply put some people are going to freak out, some people will handle it well. There is no one answer. People are people, and they re varied in their views and reactions. Regardless of their personal or religious beliefs. Some of your friends may disappear, some may be angry and some will stay your friend. Its that simple.
Personally, it wouldn't bother me. I've known people with various beliefs as friends.
 
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Ecclesiastik

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Seriously? Been reborn for gong on 5 years, The lord has saved me from a life without my daughter with being one step in front of the enemy. He has helped me in becoming sober after being a sever alcoholic for almost 5 yr , i quit doing drugs and started a life with God, i have been stalked for 5 yrs now with man that was abusive and was trying to take my daughter for thinking he could force me to marry him for his green card, now my family is safe because of the LORD, the Lord has healed me from an allergy that almost killed me 5 time know what anaphylactic shock is? Throat swells up can breath, break out is full body hives with sever swelling after the first few times it sets in faster and benidryl doesnt work ass effective after the 2nd time, in one of these the LORD reminded me of my history of panic attack where i hyperventilated if i hadnt of put a washcloth over my mouth to slow my breathing and my mother hadnt of called a cab when she did id be dead but yet the LORD saved my life in his timing. I wasnt going to go to the er but as it was i had a needle in my neck full of steroids to open my lungs so what is it your saying is a fad or phase about my christianity please further your accusations
I'm not making any accusations. You call God "the dude upstairs", talk about only listening to a good message with a heavy riff to it, and have a picture of a woman with a beard. Your testimony does concern me.

What happens when the music goes out? What happens when the giggles stop? What happens when Christianity means going to jail, torture, and death?

Irreverence is very popular in the our culture. Many people are known to take nothing seriously. I can at least say that if there is one thing I take seriously, it is Jesus Christ. Though you may call me a fool in all other aspects, I will not be a fool in this...the price is too costly.

I'm not saying these things to judge you. I wish nothing but the best for you.
 
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The bible says that the spirit lust against the flesh and the flesh lust against the spirit and it also says,how can two walk together unless they agree.

so what i'm saying is if you are a satinist,then you will be trying to convert us,and we will be trying to convert you.
 
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Saint_Cecilia

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Hello,

I'm sorry, I had to report this thread.

It's quite un-settling.

God Bless,

Saint_Cecilia

 
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Ugly

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Your testimony concerns me. The way you describe your religion sounds like a phase or a fad.
Your self righteous judgement concerns me. Sounds like an arrogance and pharisee type attitude. Rather than twisting what Cora said into something you can try to use against her why not be encouraging to a newer believer and put your self righteousness aside?
 
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Ecclesiastik

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Your self righteous judgement concerns me. Sounds like an arrogance and pharisee type attitude. Rather than twisting what Cora said into something you can try to use against her why not be encouraging to a newer believer and put your self righteousness aside?
Why not put your self righteousness aside by calling me self righteous and encourage me instead YOU PHARISEE.

lol. See I can do that too. Now that we are done with name calling, let's put on our big boy hats and talk.

You could perhaps say I was being a little too harsh which I would be willing to admit is possible. But calling me a self-righteous Pharisee for actually having the guts to say something when I see something wrong (which I don't think anyone else--including you---did), is just plain silly.
 

jamie26301

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Hello,

I'm sorry, I had to report this thread.

It's quite un-settling.

God Bless,

Saint_Cecilia

Yes... and get an unbeliever who needed our witness of Christ BANNED. (Maybe he was trolling via PMs, but I don't know.)

I thought it was quite unsettling that you had to keep cutting and pasting his beliefs, I assume in effort to "expose" the horrific nature of his beliefs, and thus get more people to join you in bible-thumbing.

I agree... those beliefs were a unsettling. But his opening post, which indicated his hesitation to engage with Christians, made that obvious without you having to Google it.

This thread was not made to discuss his beliefs. It was made to gain a certain level of perspective - to get a feel for how Christians would react. Now, maybe he was trolling via PM. However, if that wasn't the case, I'd say reporting this thread and thus getting him banned (which may have happened anyway without your "gracious" intervention) only served to reinforce his belief that Christianity has nothing good to offer - and that its members are quite hypocritical.

I'm sure he's sitting their thinking " 'Love your enemies.' That's what they believe. But it's apparently not what they practice."

breno785au acted in the most loving way that any Christian could - he opened his ears. He treated Yer with the same willingness to listen that he would want for himself from unbelievers concerning the Gospel; he took interest in Yer's ideas, and thus not sending the message that he thought he was better than him - hmmm, that seems to bring to mind a little concept called the Golden Rule. And if Yer wasn't banned and able to continue conversing, I'm sure he would've heard the Gospel at some point. You know, the central tenets of Christianity that you DIDN'T post Scriptures of.

By the way, there were some other good, loving posts as well. But I thought breno approached the situation in the most Christ-like manner.

I'm sorry to blow up and be hostile like this, but this is precisely what grinds my gears - Christians who "witness" without even once mentioning the blood of Christ, the Cross, the Resurrection, or any of the things that, I don't know, makes us distinctly Christian, and unique from Islam and Judaism. It's a real pity that Christians don't even understand what doctrines set them apart from other religions - no, they focus on rules for living, and respect for God, and all these things that you can find in pretty much any religion, thus sending the message that Christianity is no better or unique from the rest!

*heaves huge conclusive sigh*
 
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