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Ugh i really thought we already resolved this.
If i say i believe there is no god, that's a gnostic atheist and is a belief.
If i say i don't know, that's an agnostic.
If i say i don't believe in a god, that's an atheist and is a disbelief.
A disbelief is not a belief in itself, that's stupid. It's like saying no hobby is still a hobby. It's an absense of belief, so there isn't a belief in that.
If you were right, then i would literally have infinite beliefs in the things i DISBELIEVE.
Either way, theists have not met their burden of proof so anyway you spin it, i believe or disbelieve, i have no good reason to believe in theistic claims. Whether that's a belief or not is irrellevent, even though it's not
If i say i believe there is no god, that's a gnostic atheist and is a belief.
If i say i don't know, that's an agnostic.
If i say i don't believe in a god, that's an atheist and is a disbelief.
A disbelief is not a belief in itself, that's stupid. It's like saying no hobby is still a hobby. It's an absense of belief, so there isn't a belief in that.
If you were right, then i would literally have infinite beliefs in the things i DISBELIEVE.
Either way, theists have not met their burden of proof so anyway you spin it, i believe or disbelieve, i have no good reason to believe in theistic claims. Whether that's a belief or not is irrellevent, even though it's not
K
It occurs to me that it is impossible to place either the existence of God or the non-existence of God on a rational footing. Reason is a process of the mind, and the human mind is simply not large enough, either to explain God if one should see Him, or to have inspected the place where He could be, and determine He is not there.
As Christians, do we not believe that relationship with Jesus is the only path to relationship with the Father, and that relationship is what He wants?
As Christians, do we not believe that relationship with Jesus is the only path to relationship with the Father, and that relationship is what He wants?
The thing is, you don't know.
If you say god is too incomprehendable too understand, how can you comprehend how to get to the father? How donyou know jesus is the way?
If you're going to state a god or holy figure is incomprehendable, you then cannot claim an easy to way to reach this incomprehendable being
If you say god is too incomprehendable too understand, how can you comprehend how to get to the father? How donyou know jesus is the way?
If you're going to state a god or holy figure is incomprehendable, you then cannot claim an easy to way to reach this incomprehendable being
K
Are you sure you want to get this technical (in Christian thoelogy) in this thread? Before Jesus came, God related to people in special ways at certain times, so that Jesus could come. It is the expectation of Jesus that God relied on to make His relationship with Moses. (This theology works for everyone except Adam and Eve prior to their sin, who had their relationship with God prior to their sin only.)
K
Since the thread is going stale, there is no harm in my giving you a proper response (I had not responded before, so we would not be hijacking a thread). You are quite correct, most Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah and are still waiting. The Jewish people share the theology I gave at first, as they believe that the blessing of Abraham is for all people, and that the Messiah will spring from David's loins. Hence, the Jews are there partially to be the people who will give birth to the Messiah (someday to come), who will then give the blessing of Abraham (their father) to all the world. Thus, at some level at least, Jews exist so that the Messiah can be born. Consequently, to at least some amount, God created the Jews (as a nation through Moses) for the purpose of the Messiah, and that was my original statement (post 191) amended with the word "Messiah to come" in place of "Jesus".